Didn't do all games because of time , but just a sampling of several big games for them this year...Houston..loss 33-30...total yds 589 on 69 plays...rushing 18-66...passing28-51 523 yds +33 passes...Temple 34-26 loss...555yds on 83 plays..rushing 31-148...pass 30-52 427..+21passing plays...Memphis 53-46 loss...752yds on 100 plays..rushing 36-132..passes 38-64 620..+28 pass...MS would have no hair left trying to live with this, but like I said I didn't look at all games just the ones I thought were their biggest...if he couldn't deal with SD and NB I don't see any way this would satisfy him with the run-pass ratio
Why I Can't See Gran Here?..
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He passed it 54% to 46% running for the year. We had several games this year where we passed it much more than we ran it. So tired of the b.s. being thrown out there about Stoops wanting 3 yards and a cloud of dust when this would be THE 3RD SPREAD OC HE HAS HIRED!!! If he wanted to run the veer he would bring in that type of OC.
Have you seen Cincy's D? Just god-awful, I think USF put up 60+ on them. Point is some of those games could've been pass happy because he was trying to keep up. I have no idea if Gran's coming, no idea what he'll do if he does but my god, let's at least let this play out.
Dude hasn't been hired yet(hell we might not hire him) and already being criticized lol.
Hate to say it but some folks on here wouldn't be satisfied with the Patriots team.
Do you honestly believe this?...trust in your eyes and watch what you are seeing on the field and how much he micro-managed the offense...I hope you are right, but there is surely no sign of it yet..I honestly don't think he really knows what he wants, pretty much admitted so on MJ show the other day
"Trust your eyes?" What do you think you're seeing?
I tend to make assumptions based off what I do know. Not what I possibly think could be going on given possible evidence.
So what do we know?
-We know that Stoops hired 2....possibly 3.....high powered OCs
-We know that the cupboard was bare with talent. It was bad, bad. Enough to that we had to play extreme amounts of underclassmen
-We know that Brown didn't throw much the first yr but then his throw rate went up quite a bit in yr 2
-We know that Dawson tried to throw it more to begin the yr but the results were nasty
-We know that Stoops stood next to Dawson a lot during the yr
-We have no clue what was said......ever.
I tend to make assumptions based off what I do know. Not what I possibly think could be going on given possible evidence.
So what do we know?
-We know that Stoops hired 2....possibly 3.....high powered OCs
-We know that the cupboard was bare with talent. It was bad, bad. Enough to that we had to play extreme amounts of underclassmen
-We know that Brown didn't throw much the first yr but then his throw rate went up quite a bit in yr 2
-We know that Dawson tried to throw it more to begin the yr but the results were nasty
-We know that Stoops stood next to Dawson a lot during the yr
-We have no clue what was said......ever.
In kentucky fans defense, he's only been criticized by one idiot with an agenda
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We also know that both coaches have said that they had philosophical differences and there was rumor that MS took over the play calling against Vandy
What?...I am not criticizing Gran...I showed some stats to try to show the schemes he plays on offense and I still don't believe MS will allow him to play that way. That is all
think about how crazy that would be if true... you tell the guy you're paying 500K to take the rest of the day off... if Stoops calls plays and we win, what's he going to do to Dawson if we're headed to a Bowl? fire him?... like BB22, i don't know what goes on went on but i know this is #3 OC in the 4th year and that's crazy enough considering the money alone...
Better find Calipari an OC while we're at it.
How could you even dare call Dawson a 'high powered OC'? this was his first D1 job where he's actually called the plays. Hence why he sucked and was so predictable.
They just need to pick up a gd 50-50 loose ball once in a GD while and we win. I know this ain't a bball board but the play that was pretty much a 100-0 loose ball our odds that rolled right to Murray and we still didn't get it then ended up with the technical. That play simply blew my effing mind. The heart the team showed was just truly pathetic. No fight and no heart with this team this year.
With your statement I have a question...Then why did MS hire him?...wasn't he smart enough to know better?
I'm not exactly saying stoops is the greatest head coach out there. I'm one of the people in the corner that thinks stoops is way in over his head and outside of recruiting I really don't think he has a single clue as to how to do his job, evident by the staff he put together IN THE SEC. That ish won't cut it in this league. I really can't answer you as to why he thought it would. Very puzzling to say the least.
I was referring to philosophy and style....not execution. Dawson was chosen for his connection to an up-tempo Air Raid offense.
(Note that I didn't like the hire in the first place)
Ok cool by high powered I thought you meant like highly efficient or something. Glad to know that's not what you meant lol.
he was sold on him. the same way we sell recruits and will sell a new OC. he talked to him and was told what he wanted to hear and when you look at the success at wvu on O you can understand why he hired him. my pick would of been gran last year and i would of been happy with oklahoma's OC but i figured he'd be gone to hc somewhere quick which is why i preferred gran then and now. but we were all happy with resume of dawson and he sounded good in the spring... only problem was it turns out he wasn't calling all those plays at wvu and just wasn't ready to lead a d1 offense against sec defenses. he'll resurface in a few years and be successful i think but it was just wrong time wrong place right now.
I hope we get Eddie Gran, mainly because he's a guy Stoops knows and has worked with before. I think he will put more trust in him than he has brown or Dawson, mainly because of their history together at FSU.
Stoops hired brown at the suggestion of Tim Couch. Brown was kinda forced on Stoops or he was at least a bit pressured into hiring him and adopting the "air raid" mantra. I think Dawson was an attempt to bring in somebody that wasn't all that different in hopes of minimizing the learning curve so we could hopefully continue progressing and trying to build an offensive identity, but that attempt failed this year. So hopefully Gran will be a more stabilizing force if he is indeed hired. We need to drop the "air raid" mantra though. We don't run it.
Stoops hired brown at the suggestion of Tim Couch. Brown was kinda forced on Stoops or he was at least a bit pressured into hiring him and adopting the "air raid" mantra. I think Dawson was an attempt to bring in somebody that wasn't all that different in hopes of minimizing the learning curve so we could hopefully continue progressing and trying to build an offensive identity, but that attempt failed this year. So hopefully Gran will be a more stabilizing force if he is indeed hired. We need to drop the "air raid" mantra though. We don't run it.
Well, that's only kinda true. When Stoops was hired he mentioned Oklahoma State as an offense he would like to emulate. OSU "claims" (we will address this in a sec) to run the Air Raid offense. Couch suggested Brown, but it's not like Stoops was against the hire. Stoops took this job with the premise that he could hire his own staff.....any coach does.
The Air Raid has morphed. Clearly very, very few people run the actual Air Raid anymore. However, many still claim that they do. Brown, Riley, Holgorson, etc, all claim to run it but many of them only throw it 55-60% of the time. They really just run a fairly balanced spread.
Holgorson was one of the main architects of the offense that OSU employs. So, there was a connection with Dawson here. I just didn't like it because he was inexperienced and didn't call the plays. As far as philosophical differences between Dawson and Stoops, I know that Stoops hated being at the goal line in shotgun and running 3 draws to Boom (who shouldn't have been in the game) until time for a FG......things like that. And I know what offense Stoops has said that he admires.....so the philosophical difference was likely more related to situations like above.
Gran would be fantastic. He literally would check every single box to the positive. I just hope it comes to pass.
The Air Raid has morphed. Clearly very, very few people run the actual Air Raid anymore. However, many still claim that they do. Brown, Riley, Holgorson, etc, all claim to run it but many of them only throw it 55-60% of the time. They really just run a fairly balanced spread.
Holgorson was one of the main architects of the offense that OSU employs. So, there was a connection with Dawson here. I just didn't like it because he was inexperienced and didn't call the plays. As far as philosophical differences between Dawson and Stoops, I know that Stoops hated being at the goal line in shotgun and running 3 draws to Boom (who shouldn't have been in the game) until time for a FG......things like that. And I know what offense Stoops has said that he admires.....so the philosophical difference was likely more related to situations like above.
Gran would be fantastic. He literally would check every single box to the positive. I just hope it comes to pass.
There doesn't seem to be a lot to dislike about him, hope some much better program doesn't steal him first. Although I think he might like to coach some of the talent we do have and have coming in (see our OL commits), QB or at least depth there could be a problem, he did have a five star QB at Cincy.
It would be a real coup for his reputation if he could turn UK's offense around, normally expectations aren't that high here, but I think we do have the talent coming up that would make it possible.
But we aren't there yet..
It would be a real coup for his reputation if he could turn UK's offense around, normally expectations aren't that high here, but I think we do have the talent coming up that would make it possible.
But we aren't there yet..
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I've read some posts saying that they don't understand why any OC would want to come here. While our product has been poor recently I don't think people will completely shun us across the board. Most OCs are going to look at the talent pool just now starting to mature, the fact that we almost have gone to bowl games despite poor play, and the fact that Stoops' contact pretty much guarantees him the next 2 yrs. While it's far from the ideal job at this time, it's not without some bright spots
Supposedly cincy's qb is a little nutty. He's the guy that committed to nd then iu and I think another team before ending up at cincy. He did pkay well this year though.
It could of been Stoops Micro-managing
could of been Towels having too much freedom to check of of plays
or could of been Dawson Screwing up but we did see flashes of good play calling at certain points !!
There are a few that really know what happened but i bet we won't !!
That is the point I'm trying to make. That IS COLLEGE FB today!!...Look at scores all around the country and that is probably 80%+ what you see...You your are not scoring points you are not winning much...I think we will be much more successful at taking the Baylor way than trying to win with defense the way I think MS wants to do...Honestly I don't care as long as we win I just don't think it can be done the way Ala does it here...
I thought Stoops would hire Gran the last time. Mobile is usually pretty well in the know, and I remember him posting that our OC would be just up the road, meaning Cincinnati. I don't know what happened that we didn't hire Gran, instead of Dawson.
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From listening to Stoops talk he was happy with the direction the offense was heading under Brown. We went from horrible Browns first year to a respectable 30 ppg his 2nd with a very green offense. Stoops picked Dawson because he thought he would continue what Brown started with a bit more emphasis on running the ball. Stoops loved Brown and I you could see the offense improving. Stoops was like us fans watching the offense that showed improvement the year before fail to even get first downs. Anybody who says Stoops held Dawson back is retarded. We couldn't run tempo because Dawson and the offense was the worst team in the sec at getting first downs.
Excellent post all the way around, IMHO. The relationship angle is big... almost as big as the fact we would swap out for an established D-I professional who can sell us track record. Hope we get him, and he can attract a quality QB coach.