Why is Mike Shula on the sidelines and not in the booth?

[Gradstudent]

I always prefer the OC in the booth working on adjustments, having the over view of how the defense is attacking you, formations, has Shula been on the sideline for every game?

We hear about the panther years with Newton a lot, was he not in the booth when a OC at the NFL level?

 

[I4CtheFuture]

I'm guessing since his offense can't find the end zone, he can't find the booth.

 

[Gradstudent]

I'm guessing since his offense can't find the end zone, he can't find the booth.

Last week the problem was all due to communication on the OL, quick and east fix.

I believe this week, our fix would be stick him up in the booth, he will just have to do without "looking in the players eyes" which is usually the excuses for the preference on why coordinators roam the sideline.

 

[Gr8spur]

You can't see much from the sideline. It makes no sense to me why any coordinator would not be in the booth.

 

[sclawman77]

Shurburtt said he looks like he's running a pro offense. Run on first and second down, throw on third. No creativity.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Why is Mike Shula on the staff at all?

 

[Piscis]

Why is Mike Shula on the staff at all?

Quite a few people applauded his hiring as a great thing. We were getting a guy with NFL experience, he would be able to bring a lot of recruits because of his NFL connections. Also, he had to be better than what he replaced.

Remember all that?

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Failed expectations

 

[Jonesz2]

Quite a few people applauded his hiring as a great thing. We were getting a guy with NFL experience, he would be able to bring a lot of recruits because of his NFL connections. Also, he had to be better than what he replaced.

Remember all that?

That’s what we always say when we hire a coach that no other SEC team would hire for the same position

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

I always prefer the OC in the booth working on adjustments, having the over view of how the defense is attacking you, formations, has Shula been on the sideline for every game?

We hear about the panther years with Newton a lot, was he not in the booth when a OC at the NFL level?

Would you like to push him out?

 

[Gradstudent]

Would you like to push him out?

No, but I think we are stuck with him for the rest of the year, so at least we don't have to see him on the sideline as we watch the game, if he is in the booth, LOL.

And who knows maybe seeing formations and adjustments made against may help him, help the offense, but sometimes it still does not help, like with Lorenzo Ward didn't matter if he was on the sideline agitating Spurrier or in the booth, LOL.

 

[HI Cock1]

I always prefer the OC in the booth working on adjustments, having the over view of how the defense is attacking you, formations, has Shula been on the sideline for every game?

We hear about the panther years with Newton a lot, was he not in the booth when a OC at the NFL level?

Didn't we go through this same sh1!t with Roper?

And let's be honest. Beamer has only hired friends of the family for his coaches. He hasn't exactly gotten out of his comfort zone when targeting coaches he wants. Shula was a much easier choice than Loggains, but only because of his name. No controversy in the hire and no creativity in game planning.

After last season we could have gotten a new, innovative coach instead of an NFL retread who never really did much. How many creative OCs would have LOVED to gameplan with Sellers and Harbor?!? Now all we get to watch is an amazingly athletic QB stand in the pocket getting drubbed every game trying to throw to another athletic freak who is running milktoast routes. What do you think Kiffin would do with those two?

Loggains was (fortunately) better but sorta the same story. OL wasn't better, but Sellers had more freedom to improvise instead of just trying to become a pocket passer. Loggains at least was a little creative.

 

[Gradstudent]

Didn't we go through this same sh1!t with Roper?

And let's be honest. Beamer has only hired friends of the family for his coaches. He hasn't exactly gotten out of his comfort zone when targeting coaches he wants. Shula was a much easier choice than Loggains, but only because of his name. No controversy in the hire and no creativity in game planning.

After last season we could have gotten a new, innovative coach instead of an NFL retread who never really did much. How many creative OCs would have LOVED to gameplan with Sellers and Harbor?!? Now all we get to watch is an amazingly athletic QB stand in the pocket getting drubbed every game trying to throw to another athletic freak who is running milktoast routes. What do you think Kiffin would do with those two?

Loggains was (fortunately) better but sorta the same story. OL wasn't better, but Sellers had more freedom to improvise instead of just trying to become a pocket passer. Loggains at least was a little creative.

I don't even need creative OC at this point, give me a OC who knows the power of stretching the field once or twice, with a deep shot, here or there, maybe keep a RB and TE in to help block, but you know its not like we have a world class sprinter at WR or stretching the field would actually help in anyway with Shula's game plans of dinks and dumps and runs up the middle.

 

[Rob Hawk]

Didn't we go through this same sh1!t with Roper?

And let's be honest. Beamer has only hired friends of the family for his coaches. He hasn't exactly gotten out of his comfort zone when targeting coaches he wants. Shula was a much easier choice than Loggains, but only because of his name. No controversy in the hire and no creativity in game planning.

After last season we could have gotten a new, innovative coach instead of an NFL retread who never really did much. How many creative OCs would have LOVED to gameplan with Sellers and Harbor?!? Now all we get to watch is an amazingly athletic QB stand in the pocket getting drubbed every game trying to throw to another athletic freak who is running milktoast routes. What do you think Kiffin would do with those two?

Loggains was (fortunately) better but sorta the same story. OL wasn't better, but Sellers had more freedom to improvise instead of just trying to become a pocket passer. Loggains at least was a little creative.

Vanderbilt's OC would love to coach them. Too soon?

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't even need creative OC at this point, give me a OC who knows the power of stretching the field once or twice, with a deep shot, here or there, maybe keep a RB and TE in to help block, but you know its not like we have a world class sprinter at WR or stretching the field would actually help in anyway with Shula's game plans of dinks and dumps and runs up the middle.

Right, I don’t care about having some high power, innovative mind at this point. Just give me someone who knows the basics and can execute them.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Shurburtt said he looks like he's running a pro offense. Run on first and second down, throw on third. No creativity.

Run right, run left, throw pass short of the first down marker!

 

[OldFlaCock]

I always prefer the OC in the booth working on adjustments, having the over view of how the defense is attacking you, formations, has Shula been on the sideline for every game?

We hear about the panther years with Newton a lot, was he not in the booth when a OC at the NFL level?

Someone needs to park a “Mayflower” truck in font o his house!

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don’t know. This always goes one way or the other if the offense is struggling. If the coordinator is in the booth and the offense is struggling, folks wanna know why he isn’t on the sideline where he can talk directly to his players, particularly the quarterback. If he’s on the sideline and the offense is struggling, people want to know why he’s not in the booth where he can see things from above.

 

[Gradstudent]

I don’t know. This always goes one way or the other if the offense is struggling. If the coordinator is in the booth and the offense is struggling, folks wanna know why he isn’t on the sideline where he can talk directly to his players, particularly the quarterback. If he’s on the sideline and the offense is struggling, people want to know why he’s not in the booth where he can see things from above.

For some, sure, but I always prefer them in the booth, jotting notes, making adjustments.

If they are in the booth and struggling then I just think they are not very good, I never think they should be on the sideline, but that is just me, I acknowledge that, no general sweeping assumption,

 

[HI Cock1]

Vanderbilt's OC would love to coach them. Too soon?

Pavia's gonna go for a 7th year!

 

[Piscis]

I don’t know. This always goes one way or the other if the offense is struggling. If the coordinator is in the booth and the offense is struggling, folks wanna know why he isn’t on the sideline where he can talk directly to his players, particularly the quarterback. If he’s on the sideline and the offense is struggling, people want to know why he’s not in the booth where he can see things from above.

I prefer booth. If you ever played football, you know the view from field level is pretty much a bunch of guys standing in position before the snap and then running around. From the booth the view is much more complete of what is actually happening on the field.

 

[JohnnySolo]

I love that video of Spurrier and whats his name. Can't even remember his name. So since Stallions said he didn't help with the UT and Clemtech game did we ever figure out who the genius was that called that game. I was always told it was one of the Stepp guys. I wouldn't want to play for us if I had the chance. There are so many other creative teams and don't see why we can't get out of own way. What a waste of talent with Sellers and Harbor. I'm not sold on Stewart. He may have been the beneficiary of having an opposite side DE that was great.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

I'd rather Don be calling plays................................................................& he's dead.

 

[Piscis]

I love that video of Spurrier and whats his name. Can't even remember his name. So since Stallions said he didn't help with the UT and Clemtech game did we ever figure out who the genius was that called that game. I was always told it was one of the Stepp guys. I wouldn't want to play for us if I had the chance. There are so many other creative teams and don't see why we can't get out of own way. What a waste of talent with Sellers and Harbor. I'm not sold on Stewart. He may have been the beneficiary of having an opposite side DE that was great.

Stewart is good, but opposing OCs don't have to scheme around him like they did Clowney.

 

[Lurker123]

I don’t know. This always goes one way or the other if the offense is struggling. If the coordinator is in the booth and the offense is struggling, folks wanna know why he isn’t on the sideline where he can talk directly to his players, particularly the quarterback. If he’s on the sideline and the offense is struggling, people want to know why he’s not in the booth where he can see things from above.

This is what I was thinking. Sometimes change for the sake of trying something new is offered as an option, just to literally try anything different.

 

[Mr. Belvedere]

Not sure why or how anyone is forgetting this, but when Beamer took over, Bobo was our OC and was retained after much scrutiny and criticism. He left in the middle of the night and this is where we've gone since. Also, we could go out and spend unGodly amounts of money on an OC and still be in this same spot. SEE CLEMSON

 

[Lurker123]

Not sure why or how anyone is forgetting this, but when Beamer took over, Bobo was our OC and was retained after much scrutiny and criticism. He left in the middle of the night and this is where we've gone since. Also, we could go out and spend unGodly amounts of money on an OC and still be in this same spot. SEE CLEMSON

No one forgets that. The hiring of Satterfield was attributed to the last minute situation.

But that didn't explain his retention, or the next OC hiring, or the next OC hiring.

 

[gamecock stock]

Not sure why or how anyone is forgetting this, but when Beamer took over, Bobo was our OC and was retained after much scrutiny and criticism. He left in the middle of the night and this is where we've gone since. Also, we could go out and spend unGodly amounts of money on an OC and still be in this same spot. SEE CLEMSON

I would add Clemson OL Matt Luke to that. I believe he is getting paid OC money to coach Clemson's line. I would call him a disappointment too. There are no guarantees. I'm not sure about Shula. My guess is that he will be back next season since this is his first as OC. But, if I was Teasley, I would be updating my resume. I did not know until recently that he was OL coach under Satterfield when he was a Head Coach. Why Beamer did not see the red flag there, is hard to figure out. If I was our AD, I would ask Beamer the same question that Ricky Ricardo asked Lucy when she did something stupid: "Splain yourself".

 

[Lurker123]

I would add Clemson OL Matt Luke to that. I believe he is getting paid OC money to coach Clemson's line. I would call him a disappointment too. There are no guarantees. I'm not sure about Shula. My guess is that he will be back next season since this is his first as OC. But, if I was Teasley, I would be updating my resume. I did not know until recently that he was OL coach under Satterfield when he was a Head Coach. Why Beamer did not see the red flag there, is hard to figure out. If I was our AD, I would ask Beamer the same question that Ricky Ricardo asked Lucy when she did something stupid: "Splain yourself".

Agreed with bith of you. You can go spend money on a guy, or spend pennies and end up with the same result.

There are zero guarantees.

It's all about taking a chance, and minimizing risk.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Not sure why or how anyone is forgetting this, but when Beamer took over, Bobo was our OC and was retained after much scrutiny and criticism. He left in the middle of the night and this is where we've gone since. Also, we could go out and spend unGodly amounts of money on an OC and still be in this same spot. SEE CLEMSON

Lurker answered the Bobo part. So for the other part - Sure, funds could be wasted on an OC by overspending. But what we know is that by not spending more, it's not working. Regardless of AD & BoT they aren't afraid to pony up for HC's in an inflated fashion. Muschamp gets a raise and extension after a 7-6 season. Beamer gets a raise more than doubling his salary an extension after last season. A raise? Sure. More than double the pay and an extension? That's foolish. He was a year removed from a 5-7 season and prior to that season received a raise and extension.

Nothing learned from the Muschamp years, both HC's needed upgrades at OC for most of their time here. No one in the admin takes a moment to go - hey maybe we oughtta throw some money at an OC instaead? If it doesn't work out then its certainly better than screwing up HC contracts. If it does work out then lots of people are getting raises.

 

[Piscis]

I would add Clemson OL Matt Luke to that. I believe he is getting paid OC money to coach Clemson's line. I would call him a disappointment too. There are no guarantees. I'm not sure about Shula. My guess is that he will be back next season since this is his first as OC. But, if I was Teasley, I would be updating my resume. I did not know until recently that he was OL coach under Satterfield when he was a Head Coach. Why Beamer did not see the red flag there, is hard to figure out. If I was our AD, I would ask Beamer the same question that Ricky Ricardo asked Lucy when she did something stupid: "Splain yourself".

Luke is stealing from Clemson. He left UGA as OL coach because he wanted "to spend more time with family and get away from the intensity of college football". One year later, he took the Clemson OL job.

Word out of Athens was that Luke was not a hard worker and Kirby told him he needed to leave. What I've seen at Clemson leads me to believe this is true.

 

[DeBoer31]

Quite a few people applauded his hiring as a great thing. We were getting a guy with NFL experience, he would be able to bring a lot of recruits because of his NFL connections. Also, he had to be better than what he replaced.

Remember all that?

Some disagreed.

 

[DeBoer31]

Stewart is good, but opposing OCs don't have to scheme around him like they did Clowney.

Don't mention Justin Stepp. I'm still salty he wasn't promoted to a position to keep him around.
SMH. Look at the guys he took from where they were to where they ended up. Leggette was a 50% drop guy until Stepp got him. Wells was a Subdivision guy and J. Brooks was another inconsistent hands guy with many more questions. Made one look respectable and two look to be studs on the field.

 

[cocean]

Probably because he does what he wants to do.