Why Is Stans called a great Recruiter? None of the big name show up.

[seawaterland]

Mario was the last big recruit on campus. Bender and Ellis were long shots to beging with. Mo Williams went to Bama. Sidney is here but we are his third choice. Who else is a has pro written all over him. I can't think of any. He lost more big names than anything. Hopson, Gallion. are two I can think of.

My point is Stansbury has taken 1 and 2 star players and won a hell of alot of Championships. Barry/Randy is about to break the all time 3 pointers made record at State but lightly recruited. Jarvis is The shot block king in the NCAA ,lighty recruited . Turner was never recruited by another D1. Bost had few offers but he's got a long way to go before he's pro material. Ravern had many offers but no big time schools. Kody had a few offers but no big ones. He lucked into a injuried Riek. Ro is th only guy that had big time offers. ,Kansas, . He was a State guy so I don't give Stansbury alot of credit for Ro.

The point of all this is Stans has not closed the deal on NBA to recruit in years. BUT has still found talented guys and coached them up. If he could ever get the guys that UK , Uconn, Mich State. Cuse, Duke, or Fl., I think he would do wonders. The Man can coach. I don't agree with the way he starts every year but that has worked in the past for titles. The players see for themselves early in the year who makes the plays. Then he sets his rotation without the team freaking out.

Stansbury has taken less talent than anyone in the SEC and won Championships. PERIOD. That's Coaching.

I hope the new practice courts will make some of the NBA type highschool guys jump in. But until we start with better players, there is not much more Stansbury can do.

 

[seawaterland]

Mario was the last big recruit on campus. Bender and Ellis were long shots to beging with. Mo Williams went to Bama. Sidney is here but we are his third choice. Who else is a has pro written all over him. I can't think of any. He lost more big names than anything. Hopson, Gallion. are two I can think of.

My point is Stansbury has taken 1 and 2 star players and won a hell of alot of Championships. Barry/Randy is about to break the all time 3 pointers made record at State but lightly recruited. Jarvis is The shot block king in the NCAA ,lighty recruited . Turner was never recruited by another D1. Bost had few offers but he's got a long way to go before he's pro material. Ravern had many offers but no big time schools. Kody had a few offers but no big ones. He lucked into a injuried Riek. Ro is th only guy that had big time offers. ,Kansas, . He was a State guy so I don't give Stansbury alot of credit for Ro.

The point of all this is Stans has not closed the deal on NBA to recruit in years. BUT has still found talented guys and coached them up. If he could ever get the guys that UK , Uconn, Mich State. Cuse, Duke, or Fl., I think he would do wonders. The Man can coach. I don't agree with the way he starts every year but that has worked in the past for titles. The players see for themselves early in the year who makes the plays. Then he sets his rotation without the team freaking out.

Stansbury has taken less talent than anyone in the SEC and won Championships. PERIOD. That's Coaching.

I hope the new practice courts will make some of the NBA type highschool guys jump in. But until we start with better players, there is not much more Stansbury can do.

 

[MSU124]

Anyone else see anything wrong with "But until we start with better players, there is not much more Stansbury can do."

I think you mean "But until Stansbury starts getting better players, there is not much more we can do."

 

[8dog]

just getting players to sign here is all about recruiting. So whether Ellis, Bender or Outlaw showed up is irrelevant. he recruited them and got them to sign.

Second, Zimmerman was a huge pull, at the time Ervin was a huge pull from NYC, Jamont was an enormous signing, Dee Bost (convinced a kid from the Atlantic Coast to come to MSU), osby had big time offers, Elgin Bailey is from baton rouge, had an offer from LSU and came here, Varnado was a huge pull (teams were all over him before his senior year when we locked him up--coaches did a great job with him), at the time Goodridge and Reggie Delk were big gets...

There is no question the guy can recruit. Some players pan out, some don't. Works that way everywhere, but our staff can recruit.

We have consistently had more talent under Rick than in the history of the school.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

1 or 2 star players?

Brandon Vincent - 4 star
Gary Ervin - 4 star
Walter Sharpe - 4 star
Charles Rhodes - 4 star
Jamont Gordon - 4 star
Reggie Delk - 4 star
Richie Delk - 3 star
Vernon Goodridge - 4 star
Varnado - 4 star
Randy stewart - 3 star
Ravern Johnson - 4 star
Osby - 4 star
Dee Bost - 4 star
Riek - 4 star
Shaun Smith - 3 star

Now you can debate the merit of the star system, but don't just make up facts about Stans taking 1 and 2 star players, cause you're full of ****.

 

[dogfan96]

until we get some, we won't be making any noise in the NCAA tournament.. a lot of those guys had a lot of stars but none of them were NBA players

 

[8dog]

do not have to have NBA players to get to the Sweet 16.

And let's be honest, who would you rather have in college- Timmy Bowers or Rajon Rondo.

 

[dogfan96]

to be a legitimate contender to win the NCAA title, you need NBA players. That's my goal, not the Sweet 16. But yeah it would help in that area too. As for the Rondo/ Bowers comparison, it's apples and oranges. Rondo is a true PG. Bowers was a smaller SG who we tried to convert into a PG. Good for college, not so good for the pros.

 

[missouridawg]

Brandon Vincent - 4 star
Gary Ervin - 4 star
Walter Sharpe - 4 star
Charles Rhodes - 4 star
Jamont Gordon - 4 star
Reggie Delk - 4 star
Richie Delk - 3 star
Vernon Goodridge - 4 star
Varnado - 4 star
Randy stewart - 3 star
Ravern Johnson - 4 star
<font color="#FF0000">Osby - 4 star
Dee Bost - 4 star
Riek - 4 star
Shaun Smith - 3 star
</font>

Your list above is exactly why you shouldn't like Stansbury. Off that list of GOOD high school talent, Stansbury has yet to send one guy to the NBA. He doesn't develop players.

All the names in black above are guys that played ball here. All of the bolded black names are busts. In your list, of Stansbury BIGGEST recruits, he's slightly over .500 (6 goods ones, 5 bad ones) in getting players here that actually play (and stay). Also, don't forget that great coaches turn average players into good players and good players into great players... For every Phil Turner that Stansbury has, he also had a Vernon Goodridge/Bernard Rimmer/Gary Earvin/Stephen Cowherd/Marcus Campbell (who was a 5 star recruit).

The names in red are yet to be determined... and until Osby plays more than 10 minutes a game, he is, in my opinion, a bust.

 

[8dog]

sure, I'd love to win a national title, but I think everyone here acknowledges that those teams have NBA players. No one thinks Rick is bringing in that type of talent..nor does anyone expect him too.

For our discussion purposes, the original poster is trying to make it sound like Rick is overachieving with a bunch of guys he found in a church league. And that's simply not the case. He is getting talent in here and its enough to get to the sweet 16. Its enough to not consistently lose nonconf games he shouldn't.

 

[seawaterland]

***** and Giggles What is the best Scout class on campus ranked? Not the ones that didn't show up. I don't know because I look at Mcdonalds games, Nike games, or other allstar games. Most of those guys go to other schools like Fl or UK. Maybe I may be retarded but how many NBA players do we have in the NBA right now? How many does UK, FL, or LSU? Dampier as of right now. Thats it. How can a great recruiter only have one player in the NBA. DAMN I'm retarded. None of your 3 or 4 star guys on the list are first round picks. Maybe Jarvis. Most are not even second round picks. I believe the NBA scouts. Not the joke of a star system. In coaching " it's not the X's and O's it's the Jimmy and Joes" I can tell most of you never played on winning teams.

 

[8dog]

player development and far more to do with natural ability and size. That's why high school kids were getting drafted.

hell, Walter Sharpe is in the NBA...do you really think its b/c of the development he got at UAB?

And Charles Rhodes was a fine of a scoring threat in the post as you'll see in the SEC nowadays. But he has no position in the NBA.

 

[8dog]

we have had more or comparable talent than the teams we consistently lose to in November and December the last 3 years.

 

[dogfan96]

but undersized players make it in the NBA all the time. Hell Chuck Hayes played center and sometimes PF at 6'6. Earl Boykins and others have had long careers at under 6'. Your point is valid but not having traditional size for a position doesn't necessarily keep you outta the NBA. You just have to find an area where you can excel.

 

[DerHntr]

I can tell most of you never played on winning teams.

only people who played on winning teams know anything about basketball recruiting, you know, since people playing on winning teams are constantly out there recruiting.

moron

edit to add: i can tell you never posted on a winning message board

 

[fishwater99]

Good college players do not translate into NBA players. It is a different game and requires different skill sets. Stans recruits players to win in college, not to get drafted to the NBA on potential. Jamont, Charles Rhodes, & L. Roberts were great college players, they just did not have a position in the NBA. We have the players at MSU to get to the Sweet 16 or even further, it is the coaching, or lack of, that fails us year after year.

 

[Coach34]

He said Little Wooden recruits 1 and 2 star talent and then coaches them up- he should have had his keyboard taken away at that moment

LR can be an All-American in college, but we dont ever have the talent to make a Sweet 16? Give me a 17'ing break

 

[patdog]

You have to be able to dribble, shoot, defend, etc. in the NBA just like you do in college. Jamont, Lawrence and Chuckie were very good college players, but none of them made All-American. The All-American teams are dominated by guys who will go on to play in the NBA. Jamont, Lawrence and Chuckie would have been role players at a school like North Carolina.

 

[maroonmania]

to the NBA right? And Lawrence Roberts made it for a year or two. Just sayin.

 

[fishwater99]

patdog wrote: _________________________________________________ You have to be able to dribble, shoot, defend, etc. in the NBA just like you do in college. Jamont, Lawrence and Chuckie were very good college players, but none of them made All-American. The All-American teams are dominated by guys who will go on to play in the NBA. Jamont, Lawrence and Chuckie would have been role players at a school like North Carolina.

I also believe Jamont made one All American team. Pretty sure Jamont and LR would have started for UNC, just not as freshman or sophomores. The NBA game is more of a one-on-one isolation type game last time I watched one, very different from college basketball.

 

[seawaterland]

Smartass. Some of us have to see Patients in the middle of typing. It's yuku thing I guess. This is not my first time to post on a message board. I have more to Say but right now I have work to do. So I'll stop make sure I get this right where you want it.</p>

 

[patdog]

Jamont and LR may have started for UNC later in their careers, but they wouldn't have been their go-to or star players. I agree that we've had enough talent to get to the Sweet 16, but we haven't had nearly the talent some say we have. As for the NBA playing more of a 1-on-1 isolation style, that's a playing style, not a skill set. Those players would absolutely tear it up in college ball too (and the ones who actually played college ball for the most part did).

 

[dawgstudent]

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[missouridawg]

How large of a contribution to MSU basketball did Walter Sharpe make?

I know that a lot of kids have isssues, but at some point you don't put all of your eggs in the baskets held by "at-risk" players (see Kodi Augustus)</p>

 

[seshomoru]

Smartass. Some of us have to see Patients in the middle of typing. It's yuku thing I guess. This is not my first time to post on a message board. I have more to Say but right now I have work to do. So I'll stop make sure I get this right where you want it.</p>

The people walking through the door at Wal-Mart are called customers, not patients.

 

[DerHntr]

also, i didn't realize that you were such a big shot that you had to see patients. color me unimpressed with your badassedness.

Paging Dr. ******. Dr. ******!

 

[fishwater99]

<font color="#810081">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NCAA_Men's_Basketball_All-Americans</font>http://www.mstateathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=931568</p>

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NCAA_Men's_Basketball_All-Americans?wasRedirected=true

it's amazing that some of our fans don't remember that.

 

[fishwater99]

http<span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NCAA_Men%27s_Basketball_All-Americans

My point is that Stans has had plenty of talent to make it to the Sweet 16, he just can't win consistently outside of the SEC. </span>

 

[patdog]

I think if we played SEC games in Nov and Dec, we'd lose some of those we shouldn't too (not that we never lose an SEC game we shouldn't even playing them in Jan-Mar). I think it just takes Stans time to get a team playing well. As for the NCAA, I think most of that's due to bad draws. Texas in Texas and Xavier when they were the hottest team in the country come to mind, also Duke when we had to play the entire SEC season without Winsome which caused us to have a lower seed than we should have. I do agree that there have also been losses that are unexcusable (Butler) and where we blew the seed we should have gotten because of bad Dec losses (Memphis) too. The only one that really pisses me off is the Butler game. We win that and we'd have had an easy win over Louisville the next round. That was Pitino's first year there and they just weren't very good. Butler beat them by double digits.

 

[maroonmania]

to be sarcastic in tone.

 

[patinodog]

Examples...Carmelo Anthony/Boeheim did not do ****. May/McCants...Roy Williams did not do ****. Hell, look at Stans 3 high profile signs in Bender,Ellis and Outlaw. Did their high school coaches send them to the NBA? 17 no! I could go on and on with examples. Derek Rose is another good one...Callipari send him to the NBA?

 

[seawaterland]

Why don't you try to add something to the topic rather than throwing jabs all the time.

How many MSU players beside Dampier are in the NBA? You know.... It's none.

So how can we say Stansbury is a great recruiter. I think he is a pretty good coach but not great. He has done a lot with average college talent.
If Stansbury could recruit some true future NBA guys I think he could win It all. That's all I'm saying. Maybe not , but he has done a lot with less talent than UK or FL. Do you at least agree with that?

Just so you know I am a big shot just ask me.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Examples...Carmelo Anthony/Boeheim did not do ****. May/McCants...Roy Kramer did not do ****. Hell, look at Stans 3 high profile signs in Bender,Ellis and Outlaw. Did their high school coaches send them to the NBA? 17 no! I could go on and on with examples. Derek Rose is another good one...Callipari send him to the NBA?

Roy Kramer?

 

[DerHntr]

they are definitely welcome when jackasses like yourself attempt to show their greatness by saying they played on some winning teams or state that they have better things to do like go check on their patients. you continue to type ******** like that and i will continue to add nothing to the conversation except jabs at you being a 17ing bigshot prick.

by the way My grandmother's quicker and tougher than you. Course she's 6?3, 250 and runs a 4.5 40

 

[Coach34]

Why don't you try to add something to the topic rather than throwing jabs all the time.

How many MSU players beside Dampier are in the NBA? You know.... It's none.

So how can we say Stansbury is a great recruiter. I think he is a pretty good coach but not great. He has done a lot with average college talent.
If Stansbury could recruit some true future NBA guys I think he could win It all. That's all I'm saying. Maybe not , but he has done a lot with less talent than UK or FL. Do you at least agree with that?

Just so you know I am a big shot just ask me.

All-Americans and 4 star players are not "average college talent".....thats idiotic

 

[seawaterland]

Her grandson is a little touchy fellow. Aren't you suppose to be at recess anyway. Don't worry you'll be catching that yellow dog soon.

First day back and all sux. I know.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

that should tell you a lot about your posting skills and intelligence dude.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

Why don't you try to add something to the topic rather than throwing jabs all the time.

How many MSU players beside Dampier are in the NBA? You know.... It's none.

So how can we say Stansbury is a great recruiter. I think he is a pretty good coach but not great. He has done a lot with average college talent.
If Stansbury could recruit some true future NBA guys I think he could win It all. That's all I'm saying. Maybe not , but he has done a lot with less talent than UK or FL. Do you at least agree with that?

Just so you know I am a big shot just ask me.

All-Americans and 4 star players are not "average college talent".....thats idiotic

 

[missouridawg]

Examples...Carmelo Anthony/Boeheim did not do ****. May/McCants...Roy Kramer did not do ****. Hell, look at Stans 3 high profile signs in Bender,Ellis and Outlaw. Did their high school coaches send them to the NBA? 17 no! I could go on and on with examples. Derek Rose is another good one...Callipari send him to the NBA?

Of course the high schools guys' coaches didn't "send them to the NBA... but Boeheim did recruit Carmelo... Calipari did recruit (pay) Rose.

It's not that I think everyone that plays for Stansbury should go to the NBA... I'm just saying that for Stansbury to be the OUTSTANDING, UNDENIABLE Recruiting Guru that everyone says he is, he sure doesn't do much with the talent.

The reason why I think Stansbury is just average recruiter, is because NONE of his recruits ever go to the NBA. I think he gets some 4/5 star players every now and then, but those guys might slightly be overrated.