Why is that liberals are against showing an ID to vote
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Should I have said to the black lady that asked for my voter registration and picture Id at the polls Saturday, "I am not buying a gun, I just want to vote for Trump"?
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Depends on which state you reside...I don't think all states have voter ID laws.
Rog, SC was the only state to vote this past Saturday - Repub Candidates only. How well do you think I would be received as a Poll Watcher and observe everyone offering voter registration and picture ID this week when Dem Candidates are voted on?
It really should be a non-issue. No study has revealed any statistically significant incidence of voter fraud, which the right loves to yell about, nor has any study showed a statistically significant drop in voter turnout due to ID requirements, as the left loves to yell about.
The question I want the answer to is, if the people yelling "Foul" over photo ID now being required to vote are so concerned about the people that might not be able to vote now since they may not have a photo ID, then why did they not assist these people in getting a photo ID before now?
I would think that getting a photo ID for a person that doesn't have one would help the person. And on top of that you don't have to win a political war to accomplish it, you just send some grass root folks to work the neighborhood and help people navigate the system to get a photo ID, tell them the hours the place to get the ID is open, give them a ride if they need it, yadda, yadda. Then anytime the person needs a photo ID for anything, they have it. You're helping disaffected people become part of the system that way.
To not do that and then become upset only when a law is passed to require a photo ID to vote makes me think they're concerned not so much with helping people per se but rather with politics.
I would think that getting a photo ID for a person that doesn't have one would help the person. And on top of that you don't have to win a political war to accomplish it, you just send some grass root folks to work the neighborhood and help people navigate the system to get a photo ID, tell them the hours the place to get the ID is open, give them a ride if they need it, yadda, yadda. Then anytime the person needs a photo ID for anything, they have it. You're helping disaffected people become part of the system that way.
To not do that and then become upset only when a law is passed to require a photo ID to vote makes me think they're concerned not so much with helping people per se but rather with politics.
I wouldn't say stupid, but I agree they probably "shouldn't" be voting, though a large percentage of those who do aren't educated enough on the issues to vote intelligently. With that said, I fully support one's right to exercise their constitutionally protected rights.
Who's responsibility is it to register to vote? Have that same person responsible to get photo. Where do they get Id to cash check ? Fla allows Sr to get Id photo at DMV for check cashing.
Is any Id required to get welfare benefits. No, and is there any fraud there? Yes, and it could be corrected with proper Id. The only ones who question are the ones who can benefit from the fraud.
Research shows more than 21 million Americans do not have government-issued photo identification. They likely have another form of non-governmental issued photo ID. A disproportionate number of these Americans without a government-issued photo are low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, and elderly. I wonder what the identification practice was when voting was opened up to women and blacks just seemingly decades ago? Basically, did they need an ID? They needed a thumb print in Iraq or Afghanistan.
The voter ID issue might be more important for immigration than it is the intrenched generations of low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, or the elderly. They likely have more identification than they or anti-voter ID advocates want them to claim. There are just so many reasons to get an ID that a new immigrant wouldn't think or be taught to get it for.
Can you imagine the uproar if the same reasoning anti-voter ID advocates use was used by gun rights advocates claiming an ID isn't needed to buy a gun? Those proposing a change to the constitution believing it would impact guns would soon start calling someone names.
It's not the kind of study that requires participation. I guess to be clear I should have said "research has not revealed ..."
If someone wants to help those 21 million people why not simply help them get a photo ID? Start volunteer programs where people to go places where citizens don't have a photo ID and help them to get one. Then they have one and anytime they come up against some barrier that requires a photo ID, buying this or registering for that or whatever, they surmount the barrier.
And nobody stops you from doing it. Nobody is going to try to prevent you from helping people get a photo ID, unlike in politics where anytime you try to do anything there are 50 different interests fighting and it's hard to get anything done.
There are elderly people that live in metropolitan areas that are no longer able to drive, may not even own a vehicle, utilize public transportation and don't have any need whatsoever for a photo ID. Voting is a constitutional right. You realize the history of challenged ballots in the south? They placed questions on the challenged ballots that were impossible to answer. So when we pass legislation that places additional hurdles and obstacles for people to vote, you have to have a certain degree of sympathy for the frustration that accompanies this type of legislation. Sure, if we had volunteers to provide everyone transportation to places to obtain photo IDs and these IDs weren't costly and the legislation was passed with plenty of time to work this into folks' schedules to not burden them.
I don't see (other than the voting requirement) how obtaining a photo ID helps anyone.
If you're that immobile then you can't vote anyway, unless you do it by mail. I doubt that you need a photo ID to vote by mail. You may need one to register to vote. I can see needing IDs for other things. As far as old folks go, some states require a photo ID to get a prescription filed and that usually pertains to old folks.
I think it's just kinda common sense for people to have a photo ID, especially younger ones that are out in society doing stuff that requires an ID. Older folks get out less but then again older folks are more likely to vote Republican and the people protesting the voter ID law aren't doing it because it's costing the Republicans votes.
I know the history of nasty tricks to keep people from voting but that doesn't mean that any particular rule people have to follow to vote is oppressive.
My 75 year old aunt is mentally handicapped, can't drive, yet has a state issued ID.
Sorry, but I would have to question any research as being unreliable in this area. I don't see many people who would answer honestly, or a population large enough to give a meaningful answer to be used in the research. Also, did you respond to my question re. working in polls on election day - both inside the house and on the grounds. It is very instructional at some precincts.
Or how they justify restricting someone's ability to then purchase a gun. If I expect people to show an ID to have a background check run, then why shouldn't I also expect them to show one to vote? Or do we only want to selectively discriminate against the elderly and minorities?
Damn, you getting to be one of the good guys. I have to produce a photo Id to pick up my monthly prescription at my Dr office. They know me by name.
I have to produce a photo Id to pick up the pills after prescriptions are filled at CVS. They know me by name also. When our WV senators initially got this stupid **** initially, I had to produce photo Id to give my prescription to CVS, and produce it again 15 minutes later when the prescription is filled and picked up. Two years ago, I could do all this by phone.
I have another one that Dr writes every 3 months that I have to pick up at office and show Id. This one I can call the pharmacy on the 30th day and order refill but still have to show Id each time I pick up.
Dr can write script before the 30th day, but CVS will not let me drop off until 30th day and they fill on the 30th day - not 29th and they hold. I drive by CVS after Dr visit, but that makes no difference to CVS they will refuse to touch it before 30th day. They tell me it is fed law and photo Id is too. Damned glad I can drive. Before wife expired, she had 3 or more prescriptions that had to be treated the same way with differing renewal dates. The other 30+ were refilled automatically and I would pick up a bag full every CVS visit.
my concern for 21 million people supposedly not having an ID card isn't something I am going to volunteer for. I made sure my family has theirs to use for whatever and whenever a need rises. Those who can get it will and those that can't may eventually get one. My projects are getting fat people lighter and helping addicts to recover and see the they don't have to mean to people, even on a message board, because they have a problem they caused for themselves.
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My name is countryroads89 and I have a problem. I like being mean to wingnuts on message boards. It's so much fun and it's so easy. They are mentally inferior.
are you fat too? that likely is contributing to you being mean. One can be physically inferior with a sense they are mentally superior. It's usually how obesity works on the mind.
I thought that might be the case. Just waiting on a post of having to go to Toronto for the weekend or back to the cash register since break was over.
OK, let me see if I can break this down for you one more time. Think of "research" in terms of an investigation -- allegations of election fraud or voter suppression are made, and law enforcement investigates by examining evidence, not by asking people whether they voted honestly or not, or whether somebody blocked them from entering the polling place. What's been found is that neither is statistically significant. What has been uncovered are crimes like election officials manufacturing fake ballots, fake registrations, etc. -- crimes that voter ID laws would not reveal or prevent.
And no, I've never worked in a polling place, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Having worked the polls, I have some experience to draw on that you do not have. I have seen illegal events that I reported to state and Fed. Upon follow-up to my report, both agencies said there are just too many reports of irregularity to investigate. Your assumption that "law enforcement investigates by examining evidence" is a crock. They simply do not investigate "all" reports and that greatly negates your "research" claim. You can think in any terms you select and with a little hands on you would know fact from fiction. The reports you refer too are prejudiced to conclude what the author envisioned and evidence was meaningless in his report.