Why not 8?

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

Let me get this whole playoff format straight, they did it to avoid controversy over the participants taking part. This was meant to solve the whole undisputed champion thing that the BCS was meant to do when it paired the two" best " teams, but was criticized for it's criteria.

Yet now we have to debate which P5 conference doesn't deserve a chance because of a committee . Debate hasn't ended. How did they not see five Power champions, plus independent ND? Umm why not go to 8? All 5 conferences get a representative, then you can have 3 wild cards.
We have the 6 New Years Bowl games that could alternate as the quarters, and Semis. Then hold the final championship game like they do now. Don't tell me it's because of the extra week either. Teams competing now already play two to three more weeks than they did a decade ago.

That way Ohio State could play the number 8 seed , and wild card in the Rose.

LSU could play the number 7 seed, and wild card in the Sugar.

Clemson could play the number 6 seed, and wild card in the Orange.

Oklahoma could play Oregon in the Cotton.

The four winners could then play the 2 semis in the Peach, and Fiesta respectively.

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

Your wild card pool could consist of Indepenents like Notre Dame if they are in the top 10, you could have a Group of 5 representative, a second team from a P5 .

For example you could have had Penn State if they had only one loss to Ohio State, a Baylor with one loss, an Alabama with one loss, or a Utah if their only loss was to Oregon in the Pac 12 title game.

 

[op2]

The problem is, with a 12 game regular season and a bye week and a week wasted on these ridiculous conference championship games, that's 14 weeks before you can begin a playoff.

I'd be in favor of ditching the conference title games and making the first week of December be the first round of playoff games. And let it be a home game for the higher seeded team.

 

[TRU2WVU]

The problem is, with a 12 game regular season and a bye week and a week wasted on these ridiculous conference championship games, that's 14 weeks before you can begin a playoff.

I'd be in favor of ditching the conference title games and making the first week of December be the first round of playoff games. And let it be a home game for the higher seeded team.

I Agree. They (FBS) could have a real playoff if they wanted one. I think they should include all D-1 (fbs) conference champs (10) to include the non-power 5 programs. Give em shot, what the heck; they it for fcs every year. They could keep many of the current bowls and use them for seeding purposes.

 

[Nova Mountaineer]

Let me get this whole playoff format straight, they did it to avoid controversy over the participants taking part. This was meant to solve the whole undisputed champion thing that the BCS was meant to do when it paired the two" best " teams, but was criticized for it's criteria.

Yet now we have to debate which P5 conference doesn't deserve a chance because of a committee . Debate hasn't ended. How did they not see five Power champions, plus independent ND? Umm why not go to 8? All 5 conferences get a representative, then you can have 3 wild cards.
We have the 6 New Years Bowl games that could alternate as the quarters, and Semis. Then hold the final championship game like they do now. Don't tell me it's because of the extra week either. Teams competing now already play two to three more weeks than they did a decade ago.

That way Ohio State could play the number 8 seed , and wild card in the Rose.

LSU could play the number 7 seed, and wild card in the Sugar.

Clemson could play the number 6 seed, and wild card in the Orange.

Oklahoma could play Oregon in the Cotton.

The four winners could then play the 2 semis in the Peach, and Fiesta respectively.

Pluto you write words of wisdom - absolutely 8 8 8 8 8 .

 

[WVUALLEN]

FCS playoffs has 24 teams. They play 11 game seasons. They have 13 weeks in regular season.

5 Week playoffs. That's 18 weeks. Then 2 weeks off before title game. So that's 20 weeks of FCS season.

This season 2019
First Round Saturday, Nov 30, 2019
Second Round Saturday, Dec 7, 2019
Quarter Final Saturday, Dec 14, 2019
Semi Finals Saturday, Dec 21, 2019
FCS Championship Saturday, Jan 11, 2020

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

Pluto you write words of wisdom - absolutely 8 8 8 8 8 .

I just don't get the thinking of four. It would be like the NFL telling a division winner that they did not qualify for the playoffs. There are five big conferences, plus everybody knows an undefeated , or 1 loss Notre Dame is getting a spot.

That's six spots right there, there are six "big" bowls. P5 , NY6. Shouldn't the Rose, Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, Peach, and Cotton all get playoff games every year to truly distinguish themselves? Shouldn't the "Power 5" conferences get an automatic bid to the playoffs to distinguish itself? Shouldn't a Group of 5 team like UCF, Boise, Cincy, Memphis, Houston, or whomever else get a shot if they go undefeated ?

I hope for chaos one year, for there to be 6 undefeated teams. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Notre Dame just so the committee will have to justify stupid made up criteria. It isn't consistent , sometimes it's eye test, sometimes it's SOS, sometimes it's whole body of work, sometimes it's how strong they finish, sometimes it's out of conference , sometimes it's conference, sometimes it's how healthy are they, sometimes it's if the gorillas or elephants in the room like blue, red, or yellow.

Stop the crap, this isn't a playoff. It's an invitational .

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

FCS playoffs has 24 teams. They play 11 game seasons. They have 13 weeks in regular season.

5 Week playoffs. That's 18 weeks. Then 2 weeks off before title game. So that's 20 weeks of FCS season.

This season 2019
First Round Saturday, Nov 30, 2019
Second Round Saturday, Dec 7, 2019
Quarter Final Saturday, Dec 14, 2019
Semi Finals Saturday, Dec 21, 2019
FCS Championship Saturday, Jan 11, 2020

The problem is these corporate sponsored Bowls are woven into the dna of Division 1 football.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

If you ignore everything else I say read this IT IS NOT A PLAYOFF

It IS in fact a post season college football invitational tournament overpaid for by espn to broadcast and designed to do 2 things

1. Generate ratings for this tournament.
2. Preserve this insanity of having 40 bowl games that no one physically attends anymore for more than half but with most being broadcast by the abc/espn/espn2/ESPNU Networks.

Every level of college football has at least a 16 team playoff with auto qualifying to conference champs except one.


If the Division one Top level (FBS) of college ever gets a playoff, you’ll know it by the elimination of any and selection committee. The NFL, NBA, and even NASCAR have found a way to have playoffs without any committees. Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, John Madden have never been ask to select teams for a playoff or their seeding for the NFL. Magic, Bird, MJ haven’t been called to do that for the nba either. The King, The Silver Fox, DW, Gordon aren’t sitting on a committee for NASCAR’s postseason.

If they want to make it fair, stay at 4 or go to 8, but take it out of human hands who have prejudices and rooting interest.

Rule 1 You must win your conference (if it’s 4).
Rule 2 All slots are determined by a point system based on wins and losses.
Rule 3 Schools get absolutely no points for beating a 1-aa school. The game doesn’t even count.
Rule 4 A school can only have 6 home games.
Rule 5 Neutral Site games can not have a 300+ mile difference between the 2 schools in the game.
Rule 6 Home wins vs P5 get 2 pts. Road wins vs P5 get 3 pts. Home wins was G5 get 1 pt. Road wins vs G5 get 1.25 pts.
Rule 7 Schools get to play up to 12 games in the regular season.
Rule 8 Schools selected are determined by the highest number of points. Tiebreaker if it happens is based on 1-head to head, 2-Road Wins vs P5, and 3-SOS —yes this eliminates the G5 schools but honestly til they go to 16 they’re not getting in or winning anyway. In any event it’s more fair than what we have now.

 

[Buckaineer]

You have two problems - a few people making gobs of money off of bowls— a desire by those making money to not share revenues with players.

if you add money and dates to the post season then you cannot justify not paying players some of it.

If you eliminate bowls then those getting rich off the money generated ( not the schools) will lose that money train.

The only other problem is many schools want a post season prize— but you arent going to have most playing any sort of meaningful post season with a playoff expansion they cant be part of.

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

You have two problems - a few people making gobs of money off of bowls— a desire by those making money to not share revenues with players.

if you add money and dates to the post season then you cannot justify not paying players some of it.

If you eliminate bowls then those getting rich off the money generated ( not the schools) will lose that money train.

The only other problem is many schools want a post season prize— but you arent going to have most playing any sort of meaningful post season with a playoff expansion they cant be part of.

You don't have to eliminate the bowl system. Teams that don't make the 8 team playoff are still going bowling.

The Bowls are still in place in the 8 team model, only the NY6 all get playoff games every year (quarter, and semi) which adds even more significance to them. The corporations get to advertise in more meaningful games.

Playoff teams are already playing two more games than they did a decade ago. As far as players getting paid, that is eventually going to happen in a decade anyhow. No contracts, but a player will gain $$ from the use of their likeness. This isn't even really an issue in what I'm talking about anyhow.

Stop the Invitational , let all P5 champions in, and hand out three wild cards. You get to keep the bowl system, teams aren't expanding their season ( except for the four who advance to the semis) Give the teams two weeks once they advance to the Championship. There are easy scheduling tweaks to move up the week of the quarters.

 

[Buckaineer]

The problem is as you remove bowls from the bowl system, you reduce the value of the remaining bowls.

This doesnt fly with those making money off bowls.

Payer play— if you are asking players to take a beating in more games then you have to compensate them in some way for that. Anytime you discuss redistributing wealth to those actually generating it, you create anger from greedy people holding all revenues for themselves. They wont give it up to redistribute easily.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The problem is these corporate sponsored Bowls are woven into the dna of Division 1 football.

There are 130 FBS teams 62 are above .500 and another 14 that are .500 that 76 possible bowl teams...76-24=52.

So 24 team playoff and 52 teams for bowls.

Any idiot can figure out the bowls can still be happy.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Now if they want a true playoff. Then take all 10 conference champions of the P5 and G5.

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

The problem is as you remove bowls from the bowl system, you reduce the value of the remaining bowls.

This doesnt fly with those making money off bowls.

Payer play— if you are asking players to take a beating in more games then you have to compensate them in some way for that. Anytime you discuss redistributing wealth to those actually generating it, you create anger from greedy people holding all revenues for themselves. They wont give it up to redistribute easily.

Again , you aren't removing bowls. The bowl games are already used in the playoff.

The issue of an extra 1 to 2 games is not a mountain. Look at the progression of how many games have been played over the last three decades.

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

Now if they want a true playoff. Then take all 10 conference champions of the P5 and G5.

I don't see the P5 commissioners ever agreeing to this. Unless you want to dissolve all conference affiliations .

 

[WVUALLEN]

I don't see the P5 commissioners ever agreeing to this. Unless you want to dissolve all conference affiliations .

Then they have no balls.

 

[muthed]

If you ignore everything else I say read this IT IS NOT A PLAYOFF

It IS in fact a post season college football invitational tournament overpaid for by espn to broadcast and designed to do 2 things

1. Generate ratings for this tournament.
2. Preserve this insanity of having 40 bowl games that no one physically attends anymore for more than half but with most being broadcast by the abc/espn/espn2/ESPNU Networks.

Every level of college football has at least a 16 team playoff with auto qualifying to conference champs except one.


If the Division one Top level (FBS) of college ever gets a playoff, you’ll know it by the elimination of any and selection committee. The NFL, NBA, and even NASCAR have found a way to have playoffs without any committees. Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, John Madden have never been ask to select teams for a playoff or their seeding for the NFL. Magic, Bird, MJ haven’t been called to do that for the nba either. The King, The Silver Fox, DW, Gordon aren’t sitting on a committee for NASCAR’s postseason.

If they want to make it fair, stay at 4 or go to 8, but take it out of human hands who have prejudices and rooting interest.

Rule 1 You must win your conference (if it’s 4).
Rule 2 All slots are determined by a point system based on wins and losses.
Rule 3 Schools get absolutely no points for beating a 1-aa school. The game doesn’t even count.
Rule 4 A school can only have 6 home games.
Rule 5 Neutral Site games can not have a 300+ mile difference between the 2 schools in the game.
Rule 6 Home wins vs P5 get 2 pts. Road wins vs P5 get 3 pts. Home wins was G5 get 1 pt. Road wins vs G5 get 1.25 pts.
Rule 7 Schools get to play up to 12 games in the regular season.
Rule 8 Schools selected are determined by the highest number of points. Tiebreaker if it happens is based on 1-head to head, 2-Road Wins vs P5, and 3-SOS —yes this eliminates the G5 schools but honestly til they go to 16 they’re not getting in or winning anyway. In any event it’s more fair than what we have now.

Amen

 

[WVUALLEN]

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

Then they have no balls.

No, they have lots of $$ though.

 

[doneagain]

We had 5 BCS Bowls when the BCS ended, which meant 10 teams got spots.

They utilize the major bowls in the playoffs now, and years they are not a playoff bowl, that bowl has become useless to the main future NFL stars.

The argument that expanding the playoffs weakens the regular season is stupid because the current system already eliminates half the teams before a snap has been taken in the season.

I agree 8 is the right number. Five auto bids for P5 champs, 1 wildcard for a G5 school if the finish ranked in the top 12, and 2 wildcards for 2 best non conference winners.

The argument that the debate would go away eliminating the fun of the debate is wrong because the argument would shift to the 3 wild card spots and which conference deserves a second or third bid.

As far as saying the season is extended too long by expanding, the 2 title game participants are doing 15 games right now. Teams that play in a conference championship and bowl play in 14 games. Only 2 teams would extend their season by one game by making the title game. And I have never heard a player complain about playing in a championship game.

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

We had 5 BCS Bowls when the BCS ended, which meant 10 teams got spots.

They utilize the major bowls in the playoffs now, and years they are not a playoff bowl, that bowl has become useless to the main future NFL stars.

The argument that expanding the playoffs weakens the regular season is stupid because the current system already eliminates half the teams before a snap has been taken in the season.

I agree 8 is the right number. Five auto bids for P5 champs, 1 wildcard for a G5 school if the finish ranked in the top 12, and 2 wildcards for 2 best non conference winners.

The argument that the debate would go away eliminating the fun of the debate is wrong because the argument would shift to the 3 wild card spots and which conference deserves a second or third bid.

As far as saying the season is extended too long by expanding, the 2 title game participants are doing 15 games right now. Teams that play in a conference championship and bowl play in 14 games. Only 2 teams would extend their season by one game by making the title game. And I have never heard a player complain about playing in a championship game.

Exactly.

 

[WVUALLEN]

No, they have lots of $$ though.

Which means SEC will never vote to have 8 teams unless they finally get left out which will never happen.

 

[op2]

That was a fantastic show. I remember once Archie said to Meathead "Sticks and stones may break my bones but you are one dumb Pollock."

 

[WVUALLEN]

That was a fantastic show. I remember once Archie said to Meathead "Sticks and stones may break my bones but you are one dumb Pollock."

Yeah I remember that one.

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

It will go to 8 after the elite has several more recruiting classes to further separate themselves from the rest of the pack. It’s a complete no brainer to have 8 teams (power 5 conference champs, 3 at large). At large should be based on the bcs model and a committee.

Ranked 1 and 2 get a bye first week then Play it out.

Right now a group of easily manipulated people are telling us what would be the best for us to watch LOL.

 

[skygusty_rivals]

8 teams in a football playoff is the best solution. I've been saying it for years.

 

[PlutoDroid_rivals108229]

Which means SEC will never vote to have 8 teams unless they finally get left out which will never happen.

They will be forced to once Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, USC, or just about any other big brand gets left out and lobbies their commissioner to get it changed. This year you will see more unrest , especially if the SEC gets two teams in again. If Alabama wins out, and gets left out , they will complain. They are 5th right now, LSU or Georgia will lose. Oklahoma or Oregon, or Utah, or Baylor will get left out in favor of another one loss team guaranteed . Say Minnesota or Penn State win out, they could be left out after beating Ohio State, and only having one loss. It's just plain stupid to say you have 5 Power conferences, but leave it up to backroom politics, or some convoluted algorithm to decide which one loss team has a better resume, based off a best loss, or any other data point. Oklahoma scheduled UCLA, they couldn't have known how bad they were going to be.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Until the committee is TOTALLY eliminated and P5 Conference Champs guaranteed entry with the at large bids like the seeding based on a point system nothing will ever change. And that is EXACTLY what Espn wants so they can keep broadcasting these 20-30 extra bowl games that nobody is attending but fill out programming.

 

[WVUALLEN]

They will be forced to once Ohio State, Texas, Michigan, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, USC, or just about any other big brand gets left out and lobbies their commissioner to get it changed. This year you will see more unrest , especially if the SEC gets two teams in again. If Alabama wins out, and gets left out , they will complain. They are 5th right now, LSU or Georgia will lose. Oklahoma or Oregon, or Utah, or Baylor will get left out in favor of another one loss team guaranteed . Say Minnesota or Penn State win out, they could be left out after beating Ohio State, and only having one loss. It's just plain stupid to say you have 5 Power conferences, but leave it up to backroom politics, or some convoluted algorithm to decide which one loss team has a better resume, based off a best loss, or any other data point. Oklahoma scheduled UCLA, they couldn't have known how bad they were going to be.

Big 10 has been left out 2 consecutive years. PAC 12 has been left out 2 consecutive years. Big 12 has been left out. All scenarios you mentioned has happened with exception of no SEC team or ACC team. ACC team could happen this year.

First Year
Ohio State
Alabama
Oregon
FSU

No Big 12

2nd Year
Clemson
Oklahoma
Michigan State
Alabama

No PAC 12

3rd Year
Alabama
Clemson
Washington
Ohio State

No Big 12

4th Year
Georgia
Oklahoma
Alabama
Clemson

No Big 10 or PAC 12

5th Year
Notre Dame
Clemson
Oklahoma
Alabama

No Big 10 or PAC 12

Baylor is done for. OU is getting left out unless a miracle happens and everybody in front of them loses a game. Pretty sure Alabama knows they blew their chance with loss to LSU. One of Oregon, Utah will be left out maybe both. They should look no further than TCU, Baylor being left out in 2014.

Message to PAC 12 grow a pair and get better.

PSU shouldn't have lost to Minnesota and Minnesota shouldn't have lost to Iowa. Oklahoma shouldn't have lost to KSU which lost to WVU and Baylor shouldn't have lost to OU they all put their own backs to the wall.

You will have the same bitching and moaning with top 8 get in and 9 and 10 both have 1 loss. There is never going to be enough. Unless it goes 10, 12 or 16.

The **** is not even going on the table until 2025 so lay low until the contract runs out and see who has the most power and money.