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bornaneer

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Governor Justice is just the guy to get involved.

MADISON, Wis. — A Taiwanese company that assembles Apple's iPhones and other electronics is considering building a plant in Wisconsin that could employ thousands of people and give Gov. Scott Walker a huge political boost as he prepares to run for re-election.

A person with direct knowledge of the negotiations who was not authorized to speak publicly confirmed to The Associated Press on Wednesday that the state is in talks with Foxconn. At least one other upper Midwest state, Michigan, is also pursuing the plant.

Foxconn assembles smartphones and other devices for Apple, Sony, Blackberry and other brands — mostly in China, where its plants employ about 1 million people. It has been the subject of complaints for years about its labor practices and worker suicides at plants in China that manufacture Apple products.

Foxconn, founded in 1974, announced in January that it was considering investing $7 billion in a U.S. factory to produce display panels that would create as many as 50,000 jobs. The company was purchased last year of Japan's Sharp Corp.

Foxconn CEO Terry Gou said in January that a decision would depend on factors including whether a state where the factory might be built would be willing to provide low-cost land or power. He also said Pennsylvania was a leading candidate, but that the company was in discussions with other states.
 

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Governor Justice is just the guy to get involved.

MADISON, Wis. — A Taiwanese company that assembles Apple's iPhones and other electronics is considering building a plant in Wisconsin that could employ thousands of people and give Gov. Scott Walker a huge political boost as he prepares to run for re-election.

A person with direct knowledge of the negotiations who was not authorized to speak publicly confirmed to The Associated Press on Wednesday that the state is in talks with Foxconn. At least one other upper Midwest state, Michigan, is also pursuing the plant.

Foxconn assembles smartphones and other devices for Apple, Sony, Blackberry and other brands — mostly in China, where its plants employ about 1 million people. It has been the subject of complaints for years about its labor practices and worker suicides at plants in China that manufacture Apple products.

Foxconn, founded in 1974, announced in January that it was considering investing $7 billion in a U.S. factory to produce display panels that would create as many as 50,000 jobs. The company was purchased last year of Japan's Sharp Corp.

Foxconn CEO Terry Gou said in January that a decision would depend on factors including whether a state where the factory might be built would be willing to provide low-cost land or power. He also said Pennsylvania was a leading candidate, but that the company was in discussions with other states.
Infrastructure, education, talent pool, drugs, etc. I'm not saying we should just sit on our hands and do nothing, but I'm not too optimistic. We need to start fixing ourselves from the inside and stop dreaming that jobs are magically going to come and cure all our ails. I think we need to at least show we are committed to, and in the process of, bettering ourselves before any major employer is going to look here.
 

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Infrastructure, education, talent pool, drugs, etc. I'm not saying we should just sit on our hands and do nothing, but I'm not too optimistic. We need to start fixing ourselves from the inside and stop dreaming that jobs are magically going to come and cure all our ails. I think we need to at least show we are committed to, and in the process of, bettering ourselves before any major employer is going to look here.
Well start by pulling all of the OD kits from the hospitals and let God do his work. Thin the herd of the trash and move forward, stronger, without the chaff.
 

bornaneer

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Infrastructure, education, talent pool, drugs, etc. I'm not saying we should just sit on our hands and do nothing, but I'm not too optimistic. We need to start fixing ourselves from the inside and stop dreaming that jobs are magically going to come and cure all our ails. I think we need to at least show we are committed to, and in the process of, bettering ourselves before any major employer is going to look here.
First...I don't believe in "magic" and trying to attract a business is not "magic". Second....Are you unaware of the gigantic Proctor & Gamble operation being built in Martinsburg?
 

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Infrastructure, education, talent pool, drugs, etc. I'm not saying we should just sit on our hands and do nothing, but I'm not too optimistic. We need to start fixing ourselves from the inside and stop dreaming that jobs are magically going to come and cure all our ails. I think we need to at least show we are committed to, and in the process of, bettering ourselves before any major employer is going to look here.

4 large European companies are looking in the Eastern Panhandle to build manufacturing plants, I met with another this past Sunday. The one thing that attracts them to this area is that infrastructure. We've got more to do (gas, electric, water, data) but we're making huge strides. The biggest problem we face IMHO is the drug problem.
 

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Iphones? They wouldn't stand a chance were it not for Obama's War on Rotary Phones. Rotary phones served us well for decades but how people for some reason want to change to these crazy Iphones which don't even work after a couple days unless you recharge them. Rotary phones work ALL THE TIME!

Steve Jobs was a hippy and a Communist. Iphones...yet one more crazy leftist idea.

USA!
 

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Also, what IS going to matter to these companies, is the state's tax rates.

We get on this kick of jacking up taxes to cover the shortfalls and we will drive them away.

The company I met with Sunday is looking at WV and Ohio, and there was concern shown about taxes and fees.
 

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First...I don't believe in "magic" and trying to attract a business is not "magic". Second....Are you unaware of the gigantic Proctor & Gamble operation being built in Martinsburg?

4 large European companies are looking in the Eastern Panhandle to build manufacturing plants, I met with another this past Sunday. The one thing that attracts them to this area is that infrastructure. We've got more to do (gas, electric, water, data) but we're making huge strides. The biggest problem we face IMHO is the drug problem.
I admit to knowing nothing about you boobs in the eastern panhandle and north central WV is doing pretty good with the gas boom. While I may have overstated our problems with my first post, and I am definitely all for doing everything to attract business, I still think we have significant disadvantages for most of this state. And I do think we, not specifically people in this thread, we seem to have a lot of people that think we deserve special attention and that jobs will solve all of our issues. Sort of a victim mentality.
 

bornaneer

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4 large European companies are looking in the Eastern Panhandle to build manufacturing plants, I met with another this past Sunday. The one thing that attracts them to this area is that infrastructure. We've got more to do (gas, electric, water, data) but we're making huge strides. The biggest problem we face IMHO is the drug problem.
Since you seem to be in the know.....Were you/ WV aware of the move by FOXCONN and is it to late to get invonved? Also, an EP plant could easily attract employees from surrounding ststes.
 

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Iphones? They wouldn't stand a chance were it not for Obama's War on Rotary Phones. Rotary phones served us well for decades but how people for some reason want to change to these crazy Iphones which don't even work after a couple days unless you recharge them. Rotary phones work ALL THE TIME!

Steve Jobs was a hippy and a Communist. Iphones...yet one more crazy leftist idea.

USA!


I hear there are like 100+ new rotary phones being created in WV as we speak so that's a start! Get em back to work!
 

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Also, what IS going to matter to these companies, is the state's tax rates.

We get on this kick of jacking up taxes to cover the shortfalls and we will drive them away.

The company I met with Sunday is looking at WV and Ohio, and there was concern shown about taxes and fees.
That can also be a bargaining chip, or an easy excuse. We have cheap land. We have cheap RE taxes, PP taxes.
 

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I admit to knowing nothing about you boobs in the eastern panhandle and north central WV is doing pretty good with the gas boom. While I may have overstated our problems with my first post, and I am definitely all for doing everything to attract business, I still think we have significant disadvantages for most of this state. And I do think we, not specifically people in this thread, we seem to have a lot of people that think we deserve special attention and that jobs will solve all of our issues. Sort of a victim mentality.
A area of the state I have always felt would be a good spot for development is the Bridgeport area.
 

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Infrastructure, education, talent pool, drugs, etc. I'm not saying we should just sit on our hands and do nothing, but I'm not too optimistic. We need to start fixing ourselves from the inside and stop dreaming that jobs are magically going to come and cure all our ails. I think we need to at least show we are committed to, and in the process of, bettering ourselves before any major employer is going to look here.
VERY well said!
 

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Also, what IS going to matter to these companies, is the state's tax rates.

We get on this kick of jacking up taxes to cover the shortfalls and we will drive them away.

The company I met with Sunday is looking at WV and Ohio, and there was concern shown about taxes and fees.
In fact, WV is FAR greater than Ohio for tax climate. Ohio ranks 45th and WV ranks 18th.

Send this to those Eurotrash:
https://taxfoundation.org/2017-state-business-tax-climate-index/
 

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A area of the state I have always felt would be a good spot for development is the Bridgeport area.
I think they are doing pretty well. At least in terms of new construction off the interstate these last few years from all he gas boom. Hopefully they can build something on top of that.
 

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In fact, WV is FAR greater than Ohio for tax climate. Ohio ranks 45th and WV ranks 18th.

Send this to those Eurotrash:
https://taxfoundation.org/2017-state-business-tax-climate-index/

Not only that, but our energy costs are much less than surrounding states.

I wasn't aware of the Foxconn move, but WV hires a development person that does nothing but look for overseas investment. She speaks multiple languages, and tracks down all kinds of industry. I'll ask her if she heard about the iPhone plant.
 

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Not only that, but our energy costs are much less than surrounding states.

I wasn't aware of the Foxconn move, but WV hires a development person that does nothing but look for overseas investment. She speaks multiple languages, and tracks down all kinds of industry. I'll ask her if she heard about the iPhone plant.
If she needs help strong arming those filthy Euros, I'm available to help.
 

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Infrastructure, education, talent pool, drugs, etc. I'm not saying we should just sit on our hands and do nothing, but I'm not too optimistic. We need to start fixing ourselves from the inside and stop dreaming that jobs are magically going to come and cure all our ails. I think we need to at least show we are committed to, and in the process of, bettering ourselves before any major employer is going to look here.

I think drugs are a huge issue. My brother and I own a manufacturing plant in southern WV. When we hired, we would interview, for example, 3 people. One would refuse the blood test. The second would fail the blood test. And the third did not have the requisite skills. It was so difficult to find good, hard working people.

We do need improved infrastructure but have needed that since I have been alive. Our public schools are mixed, some good, some bad, but all states have that situation. We have cheap energy which is great. We need a very tax friendly environment for business and we need tort reform. Both would help dramatically.
 

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For all you guys saying "drugs" is a problem for WV, do you mean it's not a problem in other states that get these good paying manufacturing plants?

If West Virginia, and I don't mean just Charleston north and east (southern coalfields), doesn't start brining in something this area will continue to die and get older. Our youth are leaving, at least the ones that take education serious and go off to college. I know you cannot force a company to locate somewhere, but something or some plan needs to be introduced to help these areas out.

Buffalo got Toyota about 25 years ago, and if anyone on here remembers anything about that area before Toyota, it wasn't anything like it looks now. Putnam County has grown so much, mainly due to Toyota. There are other areas in southern and western WV that have the same things to offer as Buffalo did back in the early 1990's.

I just hate seeing my state and local area die a miserable and continuous death........this state is something I love and want to see my kids grow up and locate here, not have to move out-of-state to make a good living.
 

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For all you guys saying "drugs" is a problem for WV, do you mean it's not a problem in other states that get these good paying manufacturing plants?

If West Virginia, and I don't mean just Charleston north and east (southern coalfields), doesn't start brining in something this area will continue to die and get older. Our youth are leaving, at least the ones that take education serious and go off to college. I know you cannot force a company to locate somewhere, but something or some plan needs to be introduced to help these areas out.

Buffalo got Toyota about 25 years ago, and if anyone on here remembers anything about that area before Toyota, it wasn't anything like it looks now. Putnam County has grown so much, mainly due to Toyota. There are other areas in southern and western WV that have the same things to offer as Buffalo did back in the early 1990's.

I just hate seeing my state and local area die a miserable and continuous death........this state is something I love and want to see my kids grow up and locate here, not have to move out-of-state to make a good living.

Why do you hate coal so much? (That is sarcasm. That is the response people so often get when they suggest that WV ought to diversify its economy.)
 

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For all you guys saying "drugs" is a problem for WV, do you mean it's not a problem in other states that get these good paying manufacturing plants?

If West Virginia, and I don't mean just Charleston north and east (southern coalfields), doesn't start brining in something this area will continue to die and get older. Our youth are leaving, at least the ones that take education serious and go off to college. I know you cannot force a company to locate somewhere, but something or some plan needs to be introduced to help these areas out.

Buffalo got Toyota about 25 years ago, and if anyone on here remembers anything about that area before Toyota, it wasn't anything like it looks now. Putnam County has grown so much, mainly due to Toyota. There are other areas in southern and western WV that have the same things to offer as Buffalo did back in the early 1990's.

I just hate seeing my state and local area die a miserable and continuous death........this state is something I love and want to see my kids grow up and locate here, not have to move out-of-state to make a good living.

It' been a major problem since I was born. Justice is a business man. Hopefully, he can get some major changes made to make the state tp make it even more business friendly. We need Trump's infrastructure bill to pass and maybe get some funds to improve transportation and other infrastructure. We have got to solve the drug problem, it is real and it hurts our employment. We need major tort reform (Texas passed this years ago and it helped significantly). Our public schools aren't great but they aren't terrible either. We need to improve WVU's rankings to attract businesses. Satellite locations are great ideas to make it harder to get into WVU in Morgantown. This will help our stats and raise our rankings.
 

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It' been a major problem since I was born. Justice is a business man. Hopefully, he can get some major changes made to make the state tp make it even more business friendly. We need Trump's infrastructure bill to pass and maybe get some funds to improve transportation and other infrastructure. We have got to solve the drug problem, it is real and it hurts our employment. We need major tort reform (Texas passed this years ago and it helped significantly). Our public schools aren't great but they aren't terrible either. We need to improve WVU's rankings to attract businesses. Satellite locations are great ideas to make it harder to get into WVU in Morgantown. This will help our stats and raise our rankings.

You bring up schools, and I truly believe that more job opportunities (better paying jobs) will correct whatever education problems West Virginia has. Fixing the education first is backwards, in my opinion. Good, quality jobs has ALWAYS motivated the younger generations to do better in school.

As for the "drug problem", how do you fix it?
 

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It' been a major problem since I was born. Justice is a business man. Hopefully, he can get some major changes made to make the state tp make it even more business friendly. We need Trump's infrastructure bill to pass and maybe get some funds to improve transportation and other infrastructure. We have got to solve the drug problem, it is real and it hurts our employment. We need major tort reform (Texas passed this years ago and it helped significantly). Our public schools aren't great but they aren't terrible either. We need to improve WVU's rankings to attract businesses. Satellite locations are great ideas to make it harder to get into WVU in Morgantown. This will help our stats and raise our rankings.
Well said, though I do differ with your assessment on our public schools. I think they are worse than you made them out to be. We consistently rank between #44 - #48 by any reasonable measure.
 

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You bring up schools, and I truly believe that more job opportunities (better paying jobs) will correct whatever education problems West Virginia has. Fixing the education first is backwards, in my opinion. Good, quality jobs has ALWAYS motivated the younger generations to do better in school.
Fixing education first is backwards? I hope we don't use that on our signs.
 

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Well said, though I do differ with your assessment on our public schools. I think they are worse than you made them out to be. We consistently rank between #44 - #48 by any reasonable measure.

I talked to an educator in Kentucky once. They were talking about how the state has a "bottom 10" list for schools that are in the bottom 10% after state testing. They then take those schools over, and "reinvent" the wheel to make them better. I thought, ok, good idea. However, the teacher said that their school had missed being labeled a "proficient" school by less than 1%......but fell in that bottom 10%.......so, they were within a fraction of being OK, but were potentially being taken over?

My point is that rankings are not consistent, and are not always accurate. I mean, Hell, look at the griping that goes on in college football polls. Hard to compare one team to another, when they don't play the same teams.......just the same as it's hard to compare one school to another when they don't have the same socio-economic background, or compare states to each other for the same reasons.
 

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I talked to an educator in Kentucky once. They were talking about how the state has a "bottom 10" list for schools that are in the bottom 10% after state testing. They then take those schools over, and "reinvent" the wheel to make them better. I thought, ok, good idea. However, the teacher said that their school had missed being labeled a "proficient" school by less than 1%......but fell in that bottom 10%.......so, they were within a fraction of being OK, but were potentially being taken over?

My point is that rankings are not consistent, and are not always accurate. I mean, Hell, look at the griping that goes on in college football polls. Hard to compare one team to another, when they don't play the same teams.......just the same as it's hard to compare one school to another when they don't have the same socio-economic background, or compare states to each other for the same reasons.
That may may sense if we are not consistently, throughout the years near the bottom by wide swaths of all reasonable measures. Even if it was all smoke and mirrors, the perception is real.
 

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Fixing education first is backwards? I hope we don't use that on our signs.


"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

I've always liked that quote, and relate it to education. If you have good paying, high quality jobs in your area, your students will be motivated and will decide to take their future in their own hands and value their education more. If you have nothing surrounding you, then you are doomed to have apathy in your school.

Take that man and teach him how to fish, but teach him where there is no body of water for him to fish, and is he going to give much of a care for what you taught him?
 

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"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."

I've always liked that quote, and relate it to education. If you have good paying, high quality jobs in your area, your students will be motivated and will decide to take their future in their own hands and value their education more. If you have nothing surrounding you, then you are doomed to have apathy in your school.

Take that man and teach him how to fish, but teach him where there is no body of water for him to fish, and is he going to give much of a care for what you taught him?
Ask anyone that tries to attract businesses to WV. Public education is a major concern.
 

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You bring up schools, and I truly believe that more job opportunities (better paying jobs) will correct whatever education problems West Virginia has. Fixing the education first is backwards, in my opinion. Good, quality jobs has ALWAYS motivated the younger generations to do better in school.

As for the "drug problem", how do you fix it?

The nation has a huge drug problem. It's a supply/demand thing. On opioids, I would target the supply. I would target doctors and even pharmacies for legal narcotics by establishing and enforcing prescription and distribution rules. I would close the border to the extent possible, not just the Mexican border but South Florida as well and any other large ports of entry.

As for the demand side, we need to invest in rehab facilities to help those addicted.

But I think everyone would acknowledge it is a very, very difficult problem.
 

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Well said, though I do differ with your assessment on our public schools. I think they are worse than you made them out to be. We consistently rank between #44 - #48 by any reasonable measure.

We can certainly improve out public schools, but high paying jobs require skills. We need much better trade schools that teach skills in demand. Manufacturers need welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. These are skills not taught in public schools.

We also need for a greatly improved reputation for WVU as our marquis school. Businesses are attracted to areas with great or very good colleges and universities.
 

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We can certainly improve out public schools, but high paying jobs require skills. We need much better trade schools that teach skills in demand. Manufacturers need welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. These are skills not taught in public schools.

We also need for a greatly improved reputation for WVU as our marquis school. Businesses are attracted to areas with great or very good colleges and universities.
Absolutely.
 

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We can certainly improve out public schools, but high paying jobs require skills. We need much better trade schools that teach skills in demand. Manufacturers need welders, plumbers, electricians, etc. These are skills not taught in public schools.

We also need for a greatly improved reputation for WVU as our marquis school. Businesses are attracted to areas with great or very good colleges and universities.

That's actually NOT 100% true. Schools nationwide have picked up the vocational training programs. The CTE (Career and Technical Education) initiative has just started picking up recently. Give it time.

https://www.acteonline.org/cte/#.WUK4NFPyvUo
 

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The depressing thing about conversations like in this thread is that they're pretty much the same conversation people were having 30 years ago when I was at WVU. People talked like this back then and nothing changed and unfortunately I don't see any reason why this time will be any different.
 

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The depressing thing about conversations like in this thread is that they're pretty much the same conversation people were having 30 years ago when I was at WVU. People talked like this back then and nothing changed and unfortunately I don't see any reason why this time will be any different.
I agree....I came back after 35 years. When I left.....WV had a great workforce......and when I returned I was saddened to see that was no longer the case. Most of that reliable and good workforce is gone from the state. I would say a majority of our board posters had to move out of state because of the lack of opportunities. Some have moved back and some have not. We did get a few good things from some before they left.....like Pepperoni Rolls.
 

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That's actually NOT 100% true. Schools nationwide have picked up the vocational training programs. The CTE (Career and Technical Education) initiative has just started picking up recently. Give it time.

https://www.acteonline.org/cte/#.WUK4NFPyvUo

Was not aware of that and am very happy they are starting programs like this. We need to prepare kids for jobs. Some are college prepared others either don't want to go to college or college is not for them. We can't forget or ignore them. They need skills also.