Why should Stoops have only 3 years?
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He's going to get his 5 years. Why should Barney have extended him to 7 years $18 million before he had an actual track record? That's the question you should be asking.
He extended him simply because recruiting at a level never before seen here. I think stoops deserves another year at the least. In my opinion though the contract extension made stoops a little complacent and too comfortable. I believe next year will be a lot different because he has to know his seat is getting warm. Only problem is with the strength of the schedule next season the team could be better but still end with the same result possibly worse. At the same time though it is possible this team finally grows up and puts it all together from coaches to players and upset a team or 2 along the way.
That is a much better question because that actually happened. The question the OP asked was nothing more than trolling.
He's not the first person to get an extension because of recruiting hype. And Joker wasn't the first CIW. It would seem to me that follow the leader isn't working out for UK football.
Just thought I'd let you know before I get started I really like your posts, you're about one of the few logical people on this board. Alright now here's my thoughts. I was ready for Stoops to go after Louisville, however I was enraged as I walked out of the stadium and have backed off that. I think he deserves one more year. I am not ok with what happened this year or even last. We should've been in a bowl the last 2 years. The problem for me is the sideline is completely disorganized way too often and seems as if there is way too much micro managing going on.
I have a huge problem and a bad taste in my mouth with Louisville last year, Auburn, Vandy, and Louisville this year. Most of all frustrated about the fact this was the year to take our step up, even maybe lure a few recruits the big boys get by going 8-4 or even 7-5. Now we're stuck at 5-7 trying to keep our recruits, worried about who might leave or back out, when we all know that the kids we get are our only chance of ever being good. The schedule gets tougher next year, Stoops has gotta figure it out, and I guess I'll be 100% behind Stoops next year because this is one of the few things I've found that I really enjoy even with the heartbreak and frustration.
After 3 yrs you would thank he could win 6 games, is that to much to ask for, being beat by UL on UK home field just should not have happen..They had the best coach.
That EKU come back by the Cats saved him. Had we not made a crazy come back down 14 with 7:00 to go we would be looking for a new coach.
7 men on the field in your third year was a wake-up call that he might be in over his head.....There were several other poor coaching moves thru the year but that one set off alarms
Second half season collapses. "Star" players having you by the balls. The heated interview, and most of his interviews, where he honestly says nothing. Bonehead mistakes on the field. No identity.
I'll stop there knowing he's not going anywhere. Plus who could do better? Just keep milking that SEC money, that's why we field a football team.
I'll stop there knowing he's not going anywhere. Plus who could do better? Just keep milking that SEC money, that's why we field a football team.
My reasoning would be how his teams got worse thru out the year in season 2 and 3. We didn't improve, we got way worse. There's something wrong when in 2 straight years your team takes so many steps backwards. Also he's like 5-13 thru out his last 18 games with zero noteworthy wins! Also the entire staff is inexperienced in their new roles I don't understand the 'who wants a job in a role you've never had before in the SEC say I?' approach it has been real pathetic at best. And stoops is not going to make any changes on the staff considering MB told him he didn't have to, which means he ain't going to because he's too loyal to fire someone he hired. And since there's not going to be any changes on the staff, expect the same results on the field. A bunch of clueless coaches and coordinators who don't know what they're doing because they've never done it before. That's what I see on the field. We will suck again next year because we will not have an ST coordinator again, and a bunch of horrible coordinators and position coaches on top of that. If stoops is here after next season, at that point I'll have a major problem with the AD. Right now it's ok to keep stoops I guess, but his seat is scorching hot right now. Him and his incompetence should not be allowed to coach another game after this upcoming train wreck of a season.
There are a lot of arguments for Stoops to get his 4th year.
-His first class will be seniors.
-It looks bad to only give a coach 3 years.
-Large buyout
-Depleted Roster when he arrived
However, the argument I'll make for why UK should of fired him a week ago is you're likely just wasting another year and delaying the inevitable. The chances are pretty slim the guy figures it out in the off season. That the light switch is suddenly going to be flipped. His teams and coaches make the same mistakes they made a year ago, 2 years ago. Have you ever seen an adjustment from the staff? The team looks lost at times, undisciplined and the only time we see an angry Stoops is at an official. Favoritism really seems to be in play on this staff and the locker room is divided. Once you've lost the team it's hard to get them back. Barnhardt should meet with the team and gauge how they feel. It's obviously not going to happen but they have to get some answers bc UK looks like a dumpster fire right now.
-His first class will be seniors.
-It looks bad to only give a coach 3 years.
-Large buyout
-Depleted Roster when he arrived
However, the argument I'll make for why UK should of fired him a week ago is you're likely just wasting another year and delaying the inevitable. The chances are pretty slim the guy figures it out in the off season. That the light switch is suddenly going to be flipped. His teams and coaches make the same mistakes they made a year ago, 2 years ago. Have you ever seen an adjustment from the staff? The team looks lost at times, undisciplined and the only time we see an angry Stoops is at an official. Favoritism really seems to be in play on this staff and the locker room is divided. Once you've lost the team it's hard to get them back. Barnhardt should meet with the team and gauge how they feel. It's obviously not going to happen but they have to get some answers bc UK looks like a dumpster fire right now.
For me it's not about the number of years or even the number of losses. For me it’s about the team and the coaching staff showing not only growth from year-to-year but from game–to-game. It’s about the coaching staff’s ability to develop players, to develop and execute a mature, well connived game plan, and lastly it’s about the coaching demonstrating their ability to perform within game management.
Because the entire team is still growing and learning how to win in the toughest conference. Plenty of big name coaches make bone headed mistakes. Even the great bobby p made head scratching decisions this year that cost ul some wins, but fans wanted him here. Stoops first class, the soon to be SRs were a hodge podge of guys from Joker and himself. His first complete class has only been on campus for 2 years. Clearly some of the older guys weren't all in. The coaching will be better. I think he'll spend some time with his brother and see if he can get some things figured out.
People who rip MB should look around the league. Mizzou, UGA, and Vandy hired assistants and USC hired a recent DC who failed as a HC just 2 years ago.
People who rip MB should look around the league. Mizzou, UGA, and Vandy hired assistants and USC hired a recent DC who failed as a HC just 2 years ago.
Sorry bud - UKani does not troll. One of the better football posters on this board.
Well - 6 wins didn't happen and he is our coach for the foreseeable future. Let's all come to terms with this past season and move on.
To which after the season ended the way it did...we lost many of the better players in that class which ended up in the 50's...which is about where Joker was annually recruiting. So part of why he was extended was goofy as the class wasn't yet signed to UK...only verbals.
To the OP point...I don't presume Stoops should have been fired this year. But if he misses a bowl game next year (which in all likelihood he will) UK should fire him and be able to go in a new direction. But with Mitch's silly extension...we'll be paying Stoops $10M in buyouts which will inhibit UK in hiring the next coach and staff.
There are several good responses here,that detail the signs that we are in trouble,I would be surprised to know that you don't see them.There are also more than enough reasons that Stoops will be here for a fourth year.You probably have as much insight to the UK football program as anyone on the board.Do you really not think there are valid questions about the direction we are headed?
Fellow you have no idea what you are saying. The word troll is used way too much and you just showed how little you know about this poster.
Question is irrelevant. He's getting a 4th and maybe 5th year even if he never wins another game at UK. I guess the argument is whether or not the frustration is justified and it clearly is. We are one of the worst prepared and poorest disciplined teams in the country. Stoops actually will have tenure on the other SEC coaches and yet they are way ahead of him in just getting a system installed. Forget about talent just getting your system in place.
Stoops gets badly schooled by other coaches almost every week. Other than his two wins against South Carolina and this year vs Missouri I can't name a single game where Stoops has out coached his opponents. Even his wins are either against chumps like Charlotte or games where we narrowly escaped disaster.
He has 3 bad losses and no really big wins. He is getting thoroughly abused by Vandy and UL. There is no formula for success here if you can't compete against those two teams and Stoops isn't.
Also there is way too much inexperience on this staff. This is a weak staff even by MAC conference standards. Every coach is near the beginning of his career at his current spot. Inexperienced head coach, inexperienced OC and DC and most of the position coaches have very little experience. The SEC is big boy football you can't take rank amateurs up against seasoned staffs. I have no confidence that we have a better staff against any of our opponents even the OCC. If Stoops wants to deserve the extra years that he will get then changes have to be made on his staff. There are too few staff members that I feel like we can match SEC level coaches with.
Stoops gets badly schooled by other coaches almost every week. Other than his two wins against South Carolina and this year vs Missouri I can't name a single game where Stoops has out coached his opponents. Even his wins are either against chumps like Charlotte or games where we narrowly escaped disaster.
He has 3 bad losses and no really big wins. He is getting thoroughly abused by Vandy and UL. There is no formula for success here if you can't compete against those two teams and Stoops isn't.
Also there is way too much inexperience on this staff. This is a weak staff even by MAC conference standards. Every coach is near the beginning of his career at his current spot. Inexperienced head coach, inexperienced OC and DC and most of the position coaches have very little experience. The SEC is big boy football you can't take rank amateurs up against seasoned staffs. I have no confidence that we have a better staff against any of our opponents even the OCC. If Stoops wants to deserve the extra years that he will get then changes have to be made on his staff. There are too few staff members that I feel like we can match SEC level coaches with.
The main reasons I'm frustrated with the direction of the program are his lack of discipline and attention to detail.
Our team has not improved in many areas over the last 2 seasons:
Blocking, catching the football, hitting the receiver in stride, tackling, getting off of blocks, finding the football, pass rush, defending the read option and a running QB, creativity in play calling, getting the proper personnel into the game, penalties at crucial times in a game and in game adjustments.
That list is the main reason people are questioning the ability of this Staff to break the cycle of mediocrity.
My question would be, how can this staff assure the fan base that the above areas will improve next season?
Our team has not improved in many areas over the last 2 seasons:
Blocking, catching the football, hitting the receiver in stride, tackling, getting off of blocks, finding the football, pass rush, defending the read option and a running QB, creativity in play calling, getting the proper personnel into the game, penalties at crucial times in a game and in game adjustments.
That list is the main reason people are questioning the ability of this Staff to break the cycle of mediocrity.
My question would be, how can this staff assure the fan base that the above areas will improve next season?
I agree with you in terms of the lack of discipline and attention to detail.
I think this offseason is key to implement a culture of discipline. That means no offsides by the OL, no delay of game penalties, no personal foul penalties, better end of half clock management (on the coaches and players), no celebrating first downs or TDs when you are down 3 TDs, etc. just get out there and play smart and physical football.
I'd also like for our offense to play with a sense of urgency.
Unfortunately there is no way that the coaches can prove it until next fall.
Good coaching staffs dont blow a 21-0 first quarter lead against their arch rival in a game that gets their team bowl eligible, especially in their third year.
Instead of going for the dagger, we settled for playing extremely conservative on offense beginning in the 2nd quarter. But especially the 2nd half.
We also lost our top two running backs - which definitely hurt our ability to move the ball on UL.
why did joker? amount of time is relative. once you start to show signs the jobs beyond you the meter needs to shorten..quickly.
Every time we take a lead we go way too conservative, they coach games not to lose as apposed to coaching to win. It's sad because coaching to not lose is never going to work in the SEC unless you're bama and can just over power everyone. I just wish stoops had the cojones to make changes to the staff. And since he's obviously not going to. All hope is lost we will not be an improved team next year with this exact same staff. Just not happening you can't win games when you don't have a single experienced member on the staff out of the OC, DC and HC. We don't even have an ST for heavens sake! None of those 3 people have experience, which is going to lead to even more epic failures. That recipe for failure is as sure of a thing as 1 + 1 = 2.
I have questioned Stoops at times but I still am a big fan and supporter. Yes, there have been some coaching blunders and mistakes but he is still a young head coach and mistakes are going to happen. The back to back season collapses were very frustrating but UK was in terrible shape when Stoops took over and i think he has us moving in the right direction. I work at Duke University and it took Cutcliffe 5 years to get them to a bowl game. His first four years he was 4-8, 5-7, 3-9, 3-9 before going bowling and finishing 6-7 in 2012. It just takes time to build especially in the SEC.
Honestly man this is a pretty good point. Louisville really shouldn't beat us more than 1/10 times and at worst 3/10 ever.
He's a terrible coach that's why. Year three is an important year for FB coach. 3/4 of the players or more he brought in. From an ad standpoint year three should be a drastic improvement over year two. It wasn't and if not for the giant buyout he would be gone. If you wanna wait 5 years every coach 90% of this board will die off before we accomplish anything of note.
He should have only 3 years if he put the program in complete crash and burn mode as did Joker (and Kragthorthe at UofL) and it is undeniably obvious he will not "get it done". But he hasn't and the jury is still out. So, IMO, he deserves another year, maybe 2 to right the ship. While there is understandable disappointment in the progress to date I believe the real underlying issue with even the most reasonable fans is the premature contract extension and associated buy out provision that will cost the school $12M after 5 (unsuccessful) years on the job.
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I think the margin of error between a win and a loss for this last year was so little it out panick in certain situations. Made what seems like simple decisions harder. Take the Uga game. Fourth and 1 at midfield, first drive of the2nd half. Our offense hadn't even made a drive yet that gained multiple first downs. we are down seven and I'm sure they thought this was our best chance to score. So we rolled the dice and went for it. Nothing different than a fake punt that fails. We seen that as our best opportunity to score (it was in this game and we were trailing) and really needed points.
The eight men on punt return had no effect on a game and is a stupid argument. Auburn was fourth and less then a yard. We were prepping our defense to get a stop. We didn't know auburn was punting. So when they do you can't take a substitution penalty and give a first down. What would have been difference if the whole defense stayed on. Nothing.
Vanderbilt game we outplayed them, got beat on a trick play,(happens to everyone sometime in the year) pick six and a fumble on the four yard line from running backwards ten yards and dropping the ball.
The eight men on punt return had no effect on a game and is a stupid argument. Auburn was fourth and less then a yard. We were prepping our defense to get a stop. We didn't know auburn was punting. So when they do you can't take a substitution penalty and give a first down. What would have been difference if the whole defense stayed on. Nothing.
Vanderbilt game we outplayed them, got beat on a trick play,(happens to everyone sometime in the year) pick six and a fumble on the four yard line from running backwards ten yards and dropping the ball.
Joker was 2-10 his third year and let's be honest - the program was a total mess. Fans were defecting left and right.
Joker also didn't have a top 25 recruiting class going for him at the end of year three either.
The program is in much better hands with Stoops and it's not even debatable.
This is a very silly argument. We coached ourselves out of that win. We didn't lose on a trick play that happens to everyone. Do you remember when we had the ball at the one, and on 3 straight plays we ran up the middle out of SHOTGUN FORMATION???? And on 4th down we then decide to do a qb sneak and get stopped!?!? That was about as bad of coaching as I've ever seen in my entire life. We then threw an INT in triple coverage in the corner of the endzone when we were at the 1 yard line again. And do you remember when we called the timeout to save us 5 yards on a punt? then we decided to not call a timeout to save 5 yards on the field goal? We then miss the field goal by inches because we decided not to save 5 yards on a field goal but on a punt is such a great decision right?
The COACHES left 17 points on the field that game that any idiot could've drawn up tds on. When you run out of the shotgun every single play at the goal line, you deserve to lose. That was honestly the worst coaching performance I've ever seen thru the course of an entire game in my whole life. I've never seen anything more incompetent that what happened in that game and I'm including the joke era in all of this as well. And coincidentally that was the game I decided I will no longer be 'ALL IN' with this staff and waste my money no more!