Why was Huma not charged? She clearly violated the law.

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Why Wasn't Huma Abedin Charged for Verifiable, Criminal Mishandling of Classified Material?

Guy Benson

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Posted: May 04, 2017 10:35 AM
defended his decisionto inform Congress of the Bureau's re-opened Clinton email probe in October. He also averred that Russia is still actively seeking to undermine faith in the US political system, declined to comment on the status of an active investigation into Russia's 2016 meddling and alleged (but unproven) coordination with the Trump campaign, and wouldn't confirm the existence of a separate investigation into unlawful national security leaks targeting the Trump administration.

Under questioning from Democrats on the panel, Comey explained (persuasively, in my view) why he chose to disclose new developments in the Clinton email saga so close to Election Day, and swatted down the premise that he wrongly interfered publicly on that issue while remaining mum on another probe with reaches into Trump's campaign and orbit. In the course of laying out why he felt compelled to make Congress aware of late-breaking developments related to Mrs. Clinton's unsecure email scheme, Comey revealed that FBI investigators discovered thousands of previously-undisclosed Clinton emails on the private laptop of disgraced former Congressman Anthony Weiner, who is married to longtime Hillary confidante Huma Abedin. We now know that this trove of emails -- which agents suspected might include some never-recovered messages from early in Clinton's tenure at the State Department -- included classified material that had no business being on that computer:


As Katie wrote, Comey conceded that Abedin forwarding classified emails to an unsecure computer (Lord knows what sort of spyware may have been lurking on Anthony Weiner's laptop) operated by someone without proper clearances was a violation of the law:


"It would be illegal if he didn't have appropriate clearance," Comey said at another point in the hearing. "I don't believe at the time we found that on his laptop he had any kind of clearance." So why wasn't Abedin charged? For the same ostensible reason Hillary wasn't: They couldn't prove intent to break the law (although in Hillary's case, the very existence of the private server and her many lies about it offer more than adequate evidence of intent). In other words, the conduct was clearly and grossly negligent, but not verifiably intentional. But, as we've dealt with before, the relevant law here does not require proof of intent:

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1)through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
One could easily argue that someone in Abedin's position had a duty to know that casually forwarding ahead sensitive emails to a non-secure computer for printing was a big no-no, yet she did so anyway, repeatedly, for purposes of convenience. But based on the text of the statute above, even if you could conclusively demonstrate that she didn't know this conduct was illegal, she'd still be on the hook. Writes Allahpundit, "Comey decided last summer that it doesn’t matter what the federal statute actually says; Congress can write whatever laws it wants but when it comes to applying them, prior DOJ practice will guide the FBI in recommending charges, not the text of the law. And DOJ practice requires proof of knowledge or intent, not mere gross negligence, to justify filing charges, never mind that no one as high up as a Secretary of State had ever been credibly accused of violating this particular statute before. If Hillary’s gross negligence wasn’t enough to get her charged, then Huma’s gross negligence isn’t enough either." Bingo. That's exactly the standard Comey applied to both women here. AP also links to an NRO post that made the rounds on social media in which David French relays his firsthand knowledge that this benefit-of-the-doubt generosity wouldn't be extended to the little people of the US military:

As I’ve written before, I served in the military, handled classified information, and helped investigate possible violations of laws and regulations governing classified documents. Here’s what I know beyond a shadow of a doubt — if a soldier had sent classified documents to his wife “to print out” his best legal outcome would be a one-way ticket to a dishonorable discharge. His worst outcome would be jail. Let’s not forget, Hillary and her entire team (including Abedin) were bound by law to protect both marked and unmarked classified information. Moreover, Hillary and her entire team were hardly neophytes. They’d been exposed to classified information for years. They knew exactly the types and categories of information that were typically classified, and they knew how they should handle that information. But Abedin forwarded emails for printing anyway. But Hillary stored messages on her homebrew server anyway. No wonder Hillary lied so loudly and frequently about her emails. The truth was too devastating (and incriminating) to tell.
Correct on all counts, especially the handy reminder of why Clintonworld's "unmarked" excuse (which was also more flagrantly bogus in other ways) never held water. All of which is to simply reiterate that James Comey didn't cost Hillary Clinton the election. He was a factor in the first place due to the illegal and indefensible actions of the Democratic nominee and her top staff, who endangered national security. If anything, Comey's tortured legal reasoning not to recommend criminal charges was a major gift to Clinton's campaign. Finally, I'm no lawyer, but isn't this yet more verification of another illegal act?

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Flashback: Huma Abedin swore under oath that she'd turned over "all devices" relevant to email probe...

Are we also to conclude that Abedin "accidentally" withheld or failed to disclose a device to which she habitually forwarded thousands of emails, including classified ones? I'm not advocating the re-litigation of this whole matter all over again (although the lack of consequences over national security recklessness and dishonesty is troubling), but the fact that Clinton and Abedin were allowed to slide on their egregious misconduct further underscores how ridiculous the Left's scapegoating of Comey really is.
 

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If we are talking about forwarded emails sent to her, I'm not sure there is a criminal act if she received no classification markers in the emails. Now that might change if she knew the material was classified even without markers. In that case, she would have been expected to report the spillage.
 

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If we are talking about forwarded emails sent to her, I'm not sure there is a criminal act if she received no classification markers in the emails. Now that might change if she knew the material was classified even without markers. In that case, she would have been expected to report the spillage.

Comey testified that there was classified information on Weiner's computer.
 

Boomboom521

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You obviously think you know the law better than the director of the FBI?

Another deep state conspiracy?
 

mule_eer

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Comey testified that there was classified information on Weiner's computer.
My point is that it is possible that Huma was entirely ignorant of the classification of the information sent to her through non-secure email. If she knew it was classified and still forwarded it, she should be in trouble. If she didn't know that, I'm not sure how you charge her. You should charge the person who knowingly sent the classified info in an unsecure manner.
 

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My point is that it is possible that Huma was entirely ignorant of the classification of the information sent to her through non-secure email. If she knew it was classified and still forwarded it, she should be in trouble. If she didn't know that, I'm not sure how you charge her. You should charge the person who knowingly sent the classified info in an unsecure manner.

As Katie wrote, Comey conceded that Abedin forwarding classified emails to an unsecure computer (Lord knows what sort of spyware may have been lurking on Anthony Weiner's laptop) operated by someone without proper clearances was a violation of the law:

This is not that difficult to understand.
 

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My point is that it is possible that Huma was entirely ignorant of the classification of the information sent to her through non-secure email. If she knew it was classified and still forwarded it, she should be in trouble. If she didn't know that, I'm not sure how you charge her. You should charge the person who knowingly sent the classified info in an unsecure manner.

Do you believe she is innocent?
 

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If we are talking about forwarded emails sent to her, I'm not sure there is a criminal act if she received no classification markers in the emails. Now that might change if she knew the material was classified even without markers. In that case, she would have been expected to report the spillage.

In her position, she must have had an appropriate Security Clearance - - if that is true, she really has no defense. She knew or should have known = guilty.
 
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Do you believe she is innocent?

I believe a prosecutor would have a hard time prosecuting her for violating the following law:

18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information
Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information.

Because the prosecutor would have to prove that she knowingly and willfully communicated to an unauthorized person or used in any manner prejudicial to the safety of the US. (unless Weiner and Abedin did not have security clearance commensurate with the classification of the documents being handled, which I do not believe is the case)

Since no adversary has came forward to make it known that they discovered certain classified information by hacking Weiner's computer, Huma's computer, Hillary's computer or any of the servers used, a prosecutor would be hard pressed to say they have evidence to support the prosecution.

By contrast, in the case of Petraeus, a book was published and the identity of a secret agent was revealed. That case is/was much easier to prosecute.
 

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I believe a prosecutor would have a hard time prosecuting her for violating the following law:

18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information
Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information.

Because the prosecutor would have to prove that she knowingly and willfully communicated to an unauthorized person or used in any manner prejudicial to the safety of the US. (unless Weiner and Abedin did not have security clearance commensurate with the classification of the documents being handled, which I do not believe is the case)

Since no adversary has came forward to make it known that they discovered certain classified information by hacking Weiner's computer, Huma's computer, Hillary's computer or any of the servers used, a prosecutor would be hard pressed to say they have evidence to support the prosecution.

By contrast, in the case of Petraeus, a book was published and the identity of a secret agent was revealed. That case is/was much easier to prosecute.

Good point.
 

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Good point.
My point is that we don't know that she did it knowingly. She probably had a security clearance. That doesn't mean she instantly knows everything that is classified. If something was transmitted to her unmarked, it could have been new information that she didn't know was classified. You can look in a doc that is classified secret that has information that is specifically labeled as less than secret. Its hard to keep track of which pieces are which at times if you aren't looking at that specific document.

I'm not saying she's innocent or she's guilty. Investigate it and charge her if the evidence is there that she knew it was illegally transmitted. I'm just not willing to assume guilt based on the available information. I'd respond the same way if this was about Karl Rove or Karl Marx or Groucho Marx.
 

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My point is that we don't know that she did it knowingly. She probably had a security clearance. That doesn't mean she instantly knows everything that is classified. If something was transmitted to her unmarked, it could have been new information that she didn't know was classified. You can look in a doc that is classified secret that has information that is specifically labeled as less than secret. Its hard to keep track of which pieces are which at times if you aren't looking at that specific document.

I'm not saying she's innocent or she's guilty. Investigate it and charge her if the evidence is there that she knew it was illegally transmitted. I'm just not willing to assume guilt based on the available information. I'd respond the same way if this was about Karl Rove or Karl Marx or Groucho Marx.

A document does not have to be marked to contain classified information. Comey said he found classified information that Huma forwarded to Weiner's home laptop. See Andrew McCarthy's explanation below:

In it, I make a point that our friend Shannen Coffin nailed last night on Megyn Kelly’s Fox News program: Mrs. Clinton’s claim that she was unaware that many of her emails contained classified information is untenable – in fact, it is remarkable that she and her pom-pom squad (to say nothing of Obama administration officials) dare to make it with a straight face. Clinton rationalizes that because the emails were not stamped classified, she could not have been expected to know they were classified. As I’ve been emphasizing since March, she is trying to exploit the public’s unfamiliarity with the distinction between classified documents and classified information – the former are obviously classified because they are marked as such; the latter, because of its nature, is well known to national security officials to be classified – regardless of whether it is marked as such or even written down at all.

Comey claimed once again, he could find no intent on her part. Intent is not written into the law. All that is required is gross negligence and it is grossly negligent to sent classified information to an unsecured home laptop. If you or I did this, we would already be in jail.
 
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mule_eer

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A document does not have to be marked to contain classified information. Comey said he found classified information that Huma forwarded to Weiner's home laptop. See Andrew McCarthy's explanation below:

In it, I make a point that our friend Shannen Coffin nailed last night on Megyn Kelly’s Fox News program: Mrs. Clinton’s claim that she was unaware that many of her emails contained classified information is untenable – in fact, it is remarkable that she and her pom-pom squad (to say nothing of Obama administration officials) dare to make it with a straight face. Clinton rationalizes that because the emails were not stamped classified, she could not have been expected to know they were classified. As I’ve been emphasizing since March, she is trying to exploit the public’s unfamiliarity with the distinction between classified documents and classified information – the former are obviously classified because they are marked as such; the latter, because of its nature, is well known to national security officials to be classified – regardless of whether it is marked as such or even written down at all.

Comey claimed once again, he could find no intent on her part. Intent is not written into the law. All that is required is gross negligence and it is grossly negligent to sent classified information to an unsecured home laptop. If you or I did this, we would already be in jail.
You leep missing the point. Something could contain classified information, and the recipient might not know it is classified. There are classification guides for certain things, and documents that are classified that clearly mark what is classified and at what level. If information that is classified is sent unmarked, is it something that the recipient should have known was classified? That's the question relative to this case.
 

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You leep missing the point. Something could contain classified information, and the recipient might not know it is classified. There are classification guides for certain things, and documents that are classified that clearly mark what is classified and at what level. If information that is classified is sent unmarked, is it something that the recipient should have known was classified? That's the question relative to this case.
If classified information is disseminated, someone is responsible
 

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If classified information is disseminated, someone is responsible
Absolutely true. But someone could send you information about some operation that is classified. If you have no knowledge that the information is classified, are you guilty of a crime for sharing it? I have no idea if this is Huma's situation, but I certaintly can't say it isn't. If she's guilty of a crime, charge her. I have no beef with that. You first have to prove her guilt to a grand jury to move forward.
 

dave

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Absolutely true. But someone could send you information about some operation that is classified. If you have no knowledge that the information is classified, are you guilty of a crime for sharing it? I have no idea if this is Huma's situation, but I certaintly can't say it isn't. If she's guilty of a crime, charge her. I have no beef with that. You first have to prove her guilt to a grand jury to move forward.
I am no expert on classified information. I just think since we know this stuff was in the wrong hands we should find out how it got there because even if this affects nobody the next time it could.
 

Boomboom521

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keep talking about the emails though, does everyone a lot of good. I'm sure Clinton is going to jail too. Let it go.
 

dave

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keep talking about the emails though, does everyone a lot of good. I'm sure Clinton is going to jail too. Let it go.
Its ok that people give away classified secrets to our enemies. I mean its not like they were republicans.
 

Boomboom521

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Its ok that people give away classified secrets to our enemies. I mean its not like they were republicans.
If that were the case, I'm sure it would be revealed. I mean, Hillary was executed, politically speaking at least, isn't that enough?
 

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You leep missing the point. Something could contain classified information, and the recipient might not know it is classified. There are classification guides for certain things, and documents that are classified that clearly mark what is classified and at what level. If information that is classified is sent unmarked, is it something that the recipient should have known was classified? That's the question relative to this case.

I'm not missing your point st all. I am going by Comey's testimony. Comey acknowledged that what she did was illegal because Weiner did not have appropriate clearance, but he could not prove intent. As you can see in the statute below, intent is not a requirement. Simple gross negligence suffices and this was grossly negligent. If Comey knowledged it was illegal, then she knowingly sent classified information.



As Katie wrote, Comey conceded that Abedin forwarding classified emails to an unsecure computer (Lord knows what sort of spyware may have been lurking on Anthony Weiner's laptop) operated by someone without proper clearances was a violation of the law:


"It would be illegal if he didn't have appropriate clearance," Comey said at another point in the hearing. "I don't believe at the time we found that on his laptop he had any kind of clearance." So why wasn't Abedin charged? For the same ostensible reason Hillary wasn't: They couldn't prove intent to break the law (although in Hillary's case, the very existence of the private server and her many lies about it offer more than adequate evidence of intent). In other words, the conduct was clearly and grossly negligent, but not verifiably intentional. But, as we've dealt with before, the relevant law here does not require proof of intent:

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1)through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.