Will Neal Brown
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Probably a hard sell to the Florida fanbase to hire a coach that hasn't had a winning regular season at the P5 level to date.
edit -unless you want to consider the Covid year at 5 regular season wins, where in multiple games against programs that would have shredded WVU like FSU and Oklahoma were skipped so that Brown would not finish with a losing record. Course the only people doing that are the same that said 7 wins wasn't good enough. Or 8. Or 10.
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I just watched a segment that discussed coaches who UF may pursue... Lane Kiffen, Dave Aranda, Napier, Bob Stoops, Mark Stoops, Lincoln Riley(Though seems LSU is pursuing Riley more).
While Neal Brown is considered to be a quality young coach on the rise among his peers, I doubt he has done enough at WVU yet to warrant pursuit of one of these major positions. Thats not to say it wont happen, esp if Mark Stoops leaves KY, but until NB has "Plant my Flag" type of season, hes probably best served to stay at WVU to show his ability to build a contender from scratch, which will only increase his value on the open market.
Its kinda like a business owner raising capital, VC guys usually prefer to see a significant revenue growth until they invest, compared to a start-up. There are some VC guys who focus on start-ups, but the big offers come after concept confirmation/validation.
Everyone knows what he walked into when he took the job, if he turns this around, it will present a better opportunity then leaving before the vision unfolds on the field.
While Neal Brown is considered to be a quality young coach on the rise among his peers, I doubt he has done enough at WVU yet to warrant pursuit of one of these major positions. Thats not to say it wont happen, esp if Mark Stoops leaves KY, but until NB has "Plant my Flag" type of season, hes probably best served to stay at WVU to show his ability to build a contender from scratch, which will only increase his value on the open market.
Its kinda like a business owner raising capital, VC guys usually prefer to see a significant revenue growth until they invest, compared to a start-up. There are some VC guys who focus on start-ups, but the big offers come after concept confirmation/validation.
Everyone knows what he walked into when he took the job, if he turns this around, it will present a better opportunity then leaving before the vision unfolds on the field.
LOL--who comes up with this crap?
"best served to stay at WVU to show his ability to build a contender from scratch"
OMG what a complete mischaracterization of FACT.
1st, Neal Brown isn't and hasn't "rebuilt" anything. Every aspect of WVU football is FAR worse than when he arrived at the program. In fact he has turned in the worst performance of a coach at WVU in over 40 years to date.
2nd, the program had averaged EIGHT WINS PER SEASON FOR FIVE YEARS RUNNING prior to Neal Browns arrival. WVU under Neal Brown is currently holding less than a 5 win per year average including 3 fcs games and a G5 eked out bowl win. WVU wasn't at "scratch", WVU was 4 pts from playing for a BIG 12 Championship. Under Brown WVU now has an epic battle with KANSAS to try and make a bowl and pull Neal Brown to .500 after two consecutive 5 win regular seasons.
Even in the win over Texas, we saw incredibly poor coaching decisions and the same mistakes nearly lead a sure win to a loss.
There are not likely any serious winning major programs anywhere considering the services of Neal Brown. Don't worry.
"best served to stay at WVU to show his ability to build a contender from scratch"
OMG what a complete mischaracterization of FACT.
1st, Neal Brown isn't and hasn't "rebuilt" anything. Every aspect of WVU football is FAR worse than when he arrived at the program. In fact he has turned in the worst performance of a coach at WVU in over 40 years to date.
2nd, the program had averaged EIGHT WINS PER SEASON FOR FIVE YEARS RUNNING prior to Neal Browns arrival. WVU under Neal Brown is currently holding less than a 5 win per year average including 3 fcs games and a G5 eked out bowl win. WVU wasn't at "scratch", WVU was 4 pts from playing for a BIG 12 Championship. Under Brown WVU now has an epic battle with KANSAS to try and make a bowl and pull Neal Brown to .500 after two consecutive 5 win regular seasons.
Even in the win over Texas, we saw incredibly poor coaching decisions and the same mistakes nearly lead a sure win to a loss.
There are not likely any serious winning major programs anywhere considering the services of Neal Brown. Don't worry.
Yep that is what they are doing with Neal Brown and the "climb" for sure.
Too bad the coaching staff and players don't have the fire of the posters on this board, including me. They would be Big 12 champs and in the national playoffs. It helps us forget our own failures in our lives and careers, I guess.
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it is that lack of fire that has created the mediocrity that now defines the program. NB just doesn't seem to care.
Neal Brown had 4 seasons at Troy in which 3 were double digit win totals.
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You're saying this mediocre? If that is the case Then was Don Nehlen Mediocre? was Rich Rodriquez Mediocre? Not sure why you follow Wvu its been pretty much mediocre your entire life.
sucked you in. so you admit he is mediocre at wvu? or are you inferring that wvu is a mediocre program with or without Kneel Clown?
The majority of my life Wvu has been what most like yourself consider to be mediocre. Since you complain how much you hate it then not sure why you even bother following wvu. You seemed to have made a mediocre decision when you decided what team to follow.
stop playing joe biden and moving the goalposts of discussion. love the Mountaineers. had a personality and rose to higher levels in the past. under Kneel Clown the program is sinking. some fans are blindly loyal and accept Trust the Slide and the mediocrity as the best that poor little wvu can do. i don't accept that loser's view. and it is ******** that the big 12 is tougher than the old Big east was. tcu...texas tech...kansas...kansas state...iowa state...tcu even texas are no better than the old eastern foes. just an excuse to accept poor results. wallow in self pity if you want to.
The only one moving the goal posts is yourself. Mediocrity is a subjective term. When are you going to stop being a chicken and just define what you mean by mediocrity? You won't answer the question because it will blow up in your face. The fact is wvu is around a 7 win program historically. The programs currently on the schedule with the exception of Texas and Oklahoma have about the same potential as wvu. The schedule is much tougher than it was in the past. Who else besides Louisville proved they could hang with the big boys from the big east?
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So how much money have you donated to the university and the athletic department? My guess is probably none.
WVU under Brown is not winning at its usual pace of 7 wins per year average.
Many of the same people now championing Brown said that an overall 7 wins per year avg. from the previous staff wasnt good enough for WVU and pushed for immediate change.
Now that change has been here for several years the same are acting as though 5 wins per year avg is all good?
why exactly? And to be factual Brown has WVu currently at a .48 avg— under .500
Many of the same people now championing Brown said that an overall 7 wins per year avg. from the previous staff wasnt good enough for WVU and pushed for immediate change.
Now that change has been here for several years the same are acting as though 5 wins per year avg is all good?
why exactly? And to be factual Brown has WVu currently at a .48 avg— under .500
I dont think Rootmaster is a WVU fan at all- he is a right wing bot or something, mainly here to spread right wing lies and propaganda. Only agreement is that Brown isnt getting the job done.
I don’t think Brown has done a very good job so far. But I think everyone will admit Holgerson left the cupboard pretty bare especially on offense. 2019 was going to be a huge rebuilding year no matter who was coach.
The situation in 2019 was bad especially on the offensive line. That is why I was willing to give Brown the benefit of the doubt after the first 2 seasons, but was not exactly thrilled. The fact that this 3rd season looks as bad as last year has burned any good will. He gets at least one more year, but I do not have a lot of hope and he'll have to deliver far better than this to get that good will back.
ROOTMASTER SHOULD STICK TO MISPLAYING HIS GUITAR IN NEW YORK. I PUT HIM ON IGNORE MONTHS AGO. IT REDUCED MY VOMITING SUBSTANTIALLY. MAYBE EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD PUT HIM ON IGNORE. THAT'S THE WORST POSSIBLE PUNISHMENT YOU COULD GIVE ROOTMASTER IS NOT EVEN SEE HIS POSTS. I PUT OUT THE TRASH ONCE A WEEK FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCK, ROOT DOES IT EVERY HOUR. WHY BOTHER READING HIS CRAP? LET'S TALK WVU SPORTS WITH INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.
Yes its three years in now, time to stop pretending Brown hasnt had years to gain players and do far better on his own. Yet and still the best players on the team TODAY come from the previous staffs efforts. Time for Brown and co to stop hiding and stand on their own. They are the ones hired to do a job And recruit and coach and have had years to do so at this pt.
if only intelligent people talked wvu sports then you would be excluded. fakesportswriter.
Agreed. Not defending Brown he’s been mediocre at best. Simply reminding those pining for Holgy about the mess he left the roster in.
LOL. who in their right mind would want Brown running their football program besides WVU of course. I posted many time that Holgorsen was the best coach WVU could expect to have. He’s done an incredible job at Houston. Looking back it’s obvious I was right. Brown sucks and Holgorsen is on the front page of Coach Of The Year lists.
Some would say it was just 2 seasons ago... If you had a graph that plotted roster quality(Talent & Experience) the past 2 seasons would be the two lowest/worst plots in the 21st century.
Logically speaking, while we may not agree on much, I think we can both agree that what a coach inherits is a major determining factor in their success in the first 2-4 years depending on the level of insufficiencies they inherited.
The magnitude of change required, determines the amount of time needed for correction. If any decent coach in P5 would miraculously become the HC for Bama next year, I bet he could win at least 10-11 games, on the talent alone. That said, he could still underperform, because under a quality coach he could squeeze 1-4 additional wins out of that talent.
I also think we can both agree, a staff can underperform relative to roster talent, just like they can outperform. That swings both ways. The roster is and will always be the primary factor in determining outcome or team quality. A staff can add or subtract a few wins from that base, so if you look at WVU roster, and using recruiting rankings based expectations of the players actually on the team, most of which he inherited, this staff has significantly outperformed since at WVU.
Time will tell if NB is the man to achieve realistic goals at WVU, which is to be a contender for a conference championship 1 in 3 years, and win >= 8 games per year, which is 1 higher then our historical average. Its to early to tell, considering the level of **** NB inherited, he deserves enough time to coach a team he recruited before we make a decision, as a fanbase to withdraw support. Thats not saying we dont have expectations of improvement, or to see progress on an annual basis, which we certainly have seen, particularly if you look beyond just Wins & Losses. JUst like how I dont blame Dana for Grier's two fumble 6's, I dont blame Brown for Doege's absolutely boneheaded game losing decisions. If Doege doesnt blow it vs OU/Terps/TTU we would not be having a discussion of progress, because we have been competitive in every game this year aside from Baylor & OkieSt, both of which are top 10 teams.
If after the 5th season is over and we continue to see the same issues, Ill be the first to say its time to move on, but until then, lets as a fanbase do everything we can to help this program & staff be successful, ultimately if you/we are truly fans we want to do whatever is best for the program, our loyalty is to WVU, not to any staff.
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“a quality young coach on the rise among his peers”...... Dude you may be the biggest blowhard on the internet. You literally just make **** up. No one wants Brown goofball. “VC guys.....”
. Dana Holgorsen says hello blowhard.