I see where IU has only one starter on offense who is not in at least his 4th year of cfb. Most transfered in. Cignetti seems to base his whole program older, more mature players. Let them develop elsewhere and then come to Indiana. Do you see Penn State with its new coach going rapidly in that direction? It is hard to argue with the success.
Will PSU move to the Indiana model?
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Still need to bring in high school recruits who can develop to begin contributing to the depth by their 2nd year. How many? Not sure, though I do think recruiting misses will not be as critical if the portal remains as active.
I see the vast majority of schools moving in this direction. The five year cycle under Paterno no longer exists and, unless you're OSU or UGA, you'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face by doing it otherwise.
A side story to this is something I saw about Michael Irving.
Do not care for him or the U. However, the amount of excitement he has for his alma mater is incredible.
Think down the road 10 years. How many “college” athletes will have that level of school pride? Some of these players are on their 3rd and 4th teams. Who gets your loyalty and contribution $$?
Mot trying to hijack the thread.
Do not care for him or the U. However, the amount of excitement he has for his alma mater is incredible.
Think down the road 10 years. How many “college” athletes will have that level of school pride? Some of these players are on their 3rd and 4th teams. Who gets your loyalty and contribution $$?
Mot trying to hijack the thread.
Indiana model works because Indiana has the best coach. It is like trying to copy psu wrestling.
Ps. Copycats rarely win.
Not sure that he is the best coach. What Cignetti has done is recognized the potential of the modern cfb system of unlimited portal and exploited and embraced it. Smart guy.
He's still doing it with less blue chip players than teams like Bama, UGA, Oregon, etc. I'm quite sure he is the best coach.
I'm not sure that his model is stock the team with more experienced players. I think he is trying to compensate for lack of talent from prior recruiting classes. Once he starts getting better recruiting classes, I wouldn't be surprised if the experience/age disparity is more balanced.
"college" football?
why bother following a team if that is the future?
( I don't believe that it is)
why bother following a team if that is the future?
( I don't believe that it is)
BGJ wasn't done in by the portal or NIL. It was stupidity and incompetence that finished him off.
college football needs an enema
After reading that ESPN article about his player evaluation and selection processes. I agree.
I agree. It needs a HHH enema - for those who don’t know what it is, it’s high, hot and hell of a lot.
What I am saying is especially notice at QB. Rather than develop an incoming freshman, teams are going in the portal and grabbing a 23 year old veteran. OSU did it last year. Maimi and Indiana, to name a few, have successfully done that this year. OSU employed a young QB they developed who proved vulnerable to a strong pass rush. Theye are now sitting at home unlike Miami and Indiana.
Cignetti has been at indiana for 2 years and has not yet won a natty. Saying he is the best coach is a bit premature. Seer what Indiana does the next 2-3 years before making a judgement,
LMAROFL he has a team with only 8 players who were 4 or 5 star recruits. He has a Pittsburgh roster in the semi finals.
Hes doing it with players that have played more than players at teams like Bama, UGA, Oregon, etc and have shown they are good to really good college football players.
Too many people get too wrapped up in stars. Would you rather have Mendoza or some other 5 star rated QB out of high school? IF you are picking Mendoza, you are picking the 2 star.
You don't need blue chip HS players if you have a bunch of kids that are really good college players. That people don't see that blows my mind. IU is a portal team with an average age at starter of 23. Blue chips that live up to the hype are hoping to be in their second year in the NFL by then.
The reason the process works, is because it skips the basic transition from high school to
college, actually it involves less coaching. Like taking a baseball player from AA or AAA
instead of high school.
The bag men are out in the open now, it is why you are seeing the traditional 4-5
power teams taking a step back.
Evaluating a player vs. Texas Tech, USC, Tennessee, or Virginia is quite different than any
high school player from any state.
college, actually it involves less coaching. Like taking a baseball player from AA or AAA
instead of high school.
The bag men are out in the open now, it is why you are seeing the traditional 4-5
power teams taking a step back.
Evaluating a player vs. Texas Tech, USC, Tennessee, or Virginia is quite different than any
high school player from any state.
If that were true you would have seen teams like Iowa and Utah winning national championships instead of teams like UGA, Bama, OSU over the past x years.
Agree, with past years , but not today.
So who’s better, a 4th year three star of a first year four star? Only having 8 four or five stars is a bit misleading in this case.
If Bama or Clemson or even UGA don’t adapt, they won’t be winning any NCs any time soon; Bama hasn’t been in the NC game since 2021, and even UGA hasn’t been in the NC game since 2022. It seems that Bama has been losing this battle for several years now by losing players like Caleb Downs and Julian Sayin.
You have to ask yourself why dedicate so many resources into recruiting unproven high school kids when you know that two thirds or three fourths of every class are going to enter the portal, and that’s not hyperbole, when you can bring in more mentally and physically battle—tested players and plug and play them.
I’ll take the vet any day over a rookie when you know that the chances of that rookie being with you for more than a season or two are very low now.
So this is the 'Indiana' model? He's only in his second year and year one was pretty much all of his old JMU guys. Honestly, Coach Prime was the first one.
Give it time. This model has only been around for about two years. What is going to get interesting is once the big boys start to understand that free agency is better than bringing in HS kids. BTW, did UGa, Bama or OSU make the semis this year. The game is changing and the stockpilers of HS talent need to change how they go about it.
You think Cig is going to change what he is doing? Go look at his recruiting class. They were a playoff team last year, and he brings in two 4 stars, one of which is a top 200 recruit. Sure looks like he plans to build through recruiting to me. LOL
What most of you do not understand is this is how Cig has always operated. AT IUP, he didn't bring in a ton of HS kids, he brought in transfers. He has been evaluating other rosters as a part of his operation for years. No wonder he is ahead of everyone else doing it.
I couldn’t agree with you more. The schools that don’t choose this new way of doing things are going to drift into oblivion, and that includes the traditional powers.
Money now means much more to these players than any undying loyalty to a school. As we saw with Texas Tech this season, these players will go to the boondocks of Western Texas as long as they get a big pay check; my guess is that a lot of their portal players this season didn’t even know where Lubbock, TX is.
If you can judge campbell without coaching a game at psu then I can judge cignetti after 2 years.
Here is what I find interesting. PSU may well win a national title next year. We are going to be the combination of most of the best players of two major college roster teams, both of which were pretty good. We are going to be real heavy with upperclassman with experience. Where we are weak. Well, so far we've brought in 5 guys that played a lot at DT at other P4 schools, and we are going to continue to do that for another week. I'd love another guy that has started at WR.
Funny thing is, if we win a national title. Campbell will use it to build recruiting classes, because he believes in that model.
Funny thing is, if we win a national title. Campbell will use it to build recruiting classes, because he believes in that model.
The Indiana model is kind of like the LSU model when they had Burrow….that wasn’t sustainable.
And has 2 excellent co-ordinatorsthat have been with him for am extended time!
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Complete nonsense - through one week of the portal being open, there are nearly 4,800 players who have entered the portal (something approaching 60% of all returning players with eligibility remaining). Your notion that hs players are staying at the school they initially sign with is absurd - beyond absurd. If any coach is depending on hs recruits to stay at their University for 5 years simply because they got them to sign a LOI, they're in for a rude awakening and probably won't be coaching long in this environment.