Will/Should Mark Stoops be fired if UK fails to reach a bowl again?

merrimanm

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No matter who we hired as HC. We were going to recruit at a higher level than we ever have. It could be a monkey as HC and we would be recruiting at a level never before seen here. That's what happens when you invest money and get top notch facilities across the board. I'm sorry. But had Brooks had the money invested. His recruiting would've been the best of all time at UK. He has not proven to be a great recruiter. He has top notch facilities and when you can offer PT and top notch facilities. You'll get recruits. No other UK coach in our history has had those resources. No matter who we hired. Leach, BP. Anyone. No matter who the next coach was they were going to bring in the best recruiting classes we've ever had. If stoops had the resources that joker and Brooks had. I guarantee you he would've done no better than them as far as recruiting goes. But we have top notch resources. And you're going to credit stoops for that? Lol. As I said. Clueless you are. People keep saying stoops is recruiting at a level never before seen. It don't matter who we brought in as HC. We were going to start getting better recruits than ever before no matter what with these facilities. That's what state of the art facilities gets you. Better recruits. And people want to credit stoops for being a mastermind recruiter as if anyone else with the same resources couldn't have done it or something. A monkey. Would've brought in the best recruits we've ever had with these resources. He's not a miracle worker. The university decided to invest money. In return. Better players were going to want to play here. Regardless of who the coach was. And you give all that credit to stoops? Just stop man please you're making our fanbase look football illiterate.
We didn't have the facilities when he first got here. There was the "promise" though. Just like there was with Brooks. Yet, he didn't recruit better. Facilities alone don't recruit kids. To say Stoops has no hand in better recruits is just awful and proves your hatred of him.
 

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You're joking right? The correct scheme is to have your DE go after either the HB or QB every single time. Not just sit there and wait to see what the qb does. Because once he hands the ball off the DE is out of the play since he waited the whole time to see what was going to happen therefor taking him out the play.. So usually you have your DE assigned to the QB. And you assign an OLB to watch the HB and make sure he doesn't get free. It's quite simple really. We just put our DE out there and let him ball watch and when you're ball watching you might as well concede the play and give up big yards. The DE HAS to go after either the qb or Hb as soon as the ball is snapped. If you don't do that you're doomed. And that's what happened, every single time. We had our players reacting as apposed to initiating. It's not as hard of a play to stop as the coaches made it out to be. We got burnt on it every time and it was because we never made adjustments. We always had our DE ball watching. As apposed to assigning him a player. Which doomed us. It was very hard and sad to watch as far as our read option defense was. If you think we handled that play accordingly. Then you need help. I'm saying IF you think we hNdled the read option accordingly. did you see EKU rip us a new one in the read option? Obviously we were doing something wrong schematically. If you don't believe it then wow.
You make it sound so simple. I wonder why so many good DCs have trouble against it. [winking] This is not the thread to discuss it but maybe the notion of playing "assignment defense" works best against the old Veer and Wishbone type options which all "option action" flowed to the same side and that one play was probably 75% - 80% (maybe more) of those teams offense?

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As my most recent post in this thread indicates. You're an absolute homer if you feel like stoops has proven anything. This is the year to put up or shut up. If he doesn't put up then shut up. Out of all the coaches in the SEC to have coached a game he is likely the worst. We finish in the bottom 4th in the SEC recruiting rankings near yearly. So we need a coach who can coach up the recruits who rank in the bottom portion of the conference. And he hasn't proven to be an even halfway competent head coach. Game preparation has been terrible. Game management has been terrible. Clock management has been terrible. Lack of adjustments/worst read option defense ever has been, well, the worst read option defense ever we don't run the right scheme to stop that play so we get burnt on it and never adjust to the play. It's year 4. Time to put up or shut up. No more excuses for the coach who still looks like a first year head coach on the sidelines. Special teams last season? Pathetic. Just been an all around horribly coached team the last 19 games. Zero noteworthy wins. I can't believe there's people on here who actually act as if stoops is a proven HC. Gotta love the blue kool-aid eh? whatever blue kool aid others are drinking like the post you quoted you like to share with them. Anyone who is 100% pro stoops and anyone who thinks he's a proven HC surely has you thinking of what a great post it is. OMG you think stoops is a proven HC? Me too!!!! Awesome post man. Lol. Jeez.
Saying stoops has proved nothing is idiotic. He has proven hes a damn good recruiter. Sure he has to improve as a coach, but saying hes proved nothing is nonsense, unless recruiting is nothing to you.
 

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One thing I know we have the biggest coach hater in all collegiate ball. Able to ignore the obvious and concentrate on hatred to the level of sublime ignorance concerning football.

For that a medal should be awarded.
 

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The problem I have is that it doesn't look like we know what we're doing much of the time. We struggle to win or straight up lose games that should be comfortable wins. Win the games we should by appropriate margins, and at least look competent and competetive in losses, then I'm willing to accept less than six wins. Stoops isn't getting fired after this year, period.
 

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A season like the last two where we **** the bed down the stretch and he's out.
 

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We have been playing since 1892 - 1892!!!!
We have been to 14 bowls. We had an unprecedented run with Brooks.
Like it or not, our history does not include much success. Let a coach be here for a while instead of these 3 or 4 year run outs.

So you make excuses and that's ok? We will never be good in football because we have too many of these type of fans who compare our future to our past. UK could be a top 10 team if we had an ad who believed in the potential of Uk football. Barnhart probably at home "well we always sucked so why raise the bar now". It's pathetic
 

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Everybody settle down! I was Stoops worst critic! Especially after the Vanderbilt game! My opinion, and yes it is JUST an opinion. Is that after following UK football for 45+ years we are on the cusp of something special! We'll see on September 3rd if things have changed!
 
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Last year we were better than three sec teams we played. (Usc, mizzu,and vandy) with a really good chance and a play away from knocking off the east champion. And had a shot against Auburn. That could of been five five sec wins! Sure beats the hell out of getting beat by fourth each sec game we play. We are getting better!

Vandy needed a pick six from a qb everyone wanted to see in his first game action (towels also threw a perfect ball to Timmons who dropped
Six on first series of game) along with a trick play at home to beat us. We have came along way from the 40-0 beat down from vandy. All while playing with juco roster fillers and lots of youth. Next year is the year to measure the stoops experiment.
 
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We didn't have the facilities when he first got here. There was the "promise" though. Just like there was with Brooks. Yet, he didn't recruit better. Facilities alone don't recruit kids. To say Stoops has no hand in better recruits is just awful and proves your hatred of him.
Wowwwwww. You're crazy man. When stoops got here the second here arrived facilities were on the way. Just amazing how you credit all of his recruiting success to him. No matter who we hired. Was going to bring in the best recruits we've ever had due to the top notch facilities we had coming. If you don't believe that if you believe it's just stoops doing his damn thing then you're hopeless. Had Brooks had these facilities. I guarantee he would've been bringing in better recruits than stoops. Because he was winning without the facilities. There was no commitment to facilities when Brooks was here so he wasn't able to tell recruits that. There was already a commitment to facilities when stoops was here so he was able to use it as a HUGE advantage in recruiting. The facilities he had compared to the previous coaches gave him no choice but to bring in the best recruits we've had.

Amazing to me the credit you give a man who literally hasn't proven a damn thing as an HC, my hatred for stoops? No I'm just not going to act like he's proven to be a good head coach when he's 5-14 in his last 19 games without a single win against a winning team. Just because I'm not on board with this 'stoops has proven to be the right man for the job' train like you have, doesn't mean I hate him. It means you have a lot more faith in him than he's proven he deserves. Not surprising coming from you since you still thought joker had a chance to get it done during his last season here. You thought he had a future ahead of him even during his last 2-10 season with OVC level recruits. You know what that's an indication of? Regardless of how good UK's HC is and regardless of how good or bad they recruit you're going to believe in them simply because they don the blue and white. I mean joker was bringing in the worst and you still had faith in him. It really doesn't matter how bad our HC's are failing you're just a big blue homer that will always have faith in every coach no matter what. Also It means I'm not going to anoint someone the title of being a good head coach when they've done not a single thing to prove he's a good HC, that doesn't mean hatred it means he hasn't proven ANYTHING.

The point I was making. Was that you were acting like stoops recruiting is due to his natural abilities to recruit as if he's some monster on the recruiting trail and has proven he could do something no other UK coach could before his time (our recruiting room before stoops was here was a few metal chairs and a couple tables). Answer this question for me. do you really think stoops would be getting the best recruits we've ever gotten had we not upgraded all of our facilities? You really think the facilities and upgrades have nothing to do with recruiting? Then why did we spend millions upon millions on these things if it wasn't going to immensely improve recruiting?? We were just doing it for the hell of it is that your answer? Proves how much of a stoops lover you are more so than anything. If we had the same recruiting room we had when Brooks was here, you think these players would still be coming? If so. Then why did we spend millions on these things if we're not benefiting from it?

Makes no sense. I have literally zero hatred for stoops I want him to succeed. But a blind orangutan was going to recruit better than all the previous coaches we've ever had with all these upgrades we have. That's why we spent the millions on the upgrades to begin with silly. To help recruiting IMMENSELY. We didn't spend millions for it to help recruiting just a little bit. We spent millions to help recruiting a lot a bit. If you believe otherwise. Which obviously you do. Then you're clueless man. Nothing else to it. You believe stoops has proven himself to be the man for the job and that apparently he's proven to be a damn good coach but that's the thing. From this point forward. Regardless of how bad whatever coaches we hire in the future are. We are ALWAYS. FOR THE REST OF TIME. Going to recruit wayyyyyy better than we did before the money was invested. THATS WHY WE INVESTED THE MONEY. If you think stoops deserves more credit than the millions and millions we invested into RECRUITING ROOMS/FACILITIES. Then you're off your damn rocker son. Your football IQ is nonexistent. You obviously don't understand economics.

Yea you're right merriman. Stoops deserves a lot more credit for the recruiting than the millions upon millions put into the program for the SOLE PURPOSE of bringing in better players. Riiiiiiigggghhhhhttt. As I said. Stoops is as unproven of a head coach as any first year head coach in the NCAA this season is. He's very possibly the worst HC of all the Hc's to coach a game in the SEC. And no matter who we brought in. We were going to recruit at a level never seen before no matter what. BECAUSE OUR FACILITIES ARE A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN BEFORE. THATS WHY WE SPENT THE MILLIONS. SO TIME TO STOP ACTING AS IF HES A MIRACLE WORKER FOR HIS RECRUITING AND GiVE THE CREDIT TO THE MONEY INVESTED. I would've brought in better recruits than UK has ever had before with these facility upgrades compared to what was here before stoops arrived. It's night a day the difference in resources in comparison to every coach before stoops. It wasn't a coincidence we all of a sudden started getting better recruits once we invested all this money. We were showing recruits that we're invested in the program, and without that stoops doesn't bring in all these players. THATS WHY WE SPENT THE MILLIONS. I'm done proving you wrong time after time, Stoops, apologist.
 
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You make it sound so simple. I wonder why so many good DCs have trouble against it. [winking] This is not the thread to discuss it but maybe the notion of playing "assignment defense" works best against the old Veer and Wishbone type options which all "option action" flowed to the same side and that one play was probably 75% - 80% (maybe more) of those teams offense?

Peace
We were coaching the DE to watch the ball. As apposed to telling him go after someone. DEFINITELY hampered our ability to stop the read option. You act as if every team had the same amount of trouble in stopping that play as we did. Seriously? No man we were as bad as it gets in the entire country. Maybe as bad AS IVE EVER SEEN. In stopping that play. You can't be serious? And yes it is that simple. Did you see any adjustments to our read option defense (or any adjustment on offense and defense at any point during any game last season?) when obviously what we were doing wasn't working? We don't make adjustments during the game. And once the other teams adjusts they take advantage and we continue to do nothing to adjust to the oppositions adjustments.

We had to be one of the top 10 worst 2nd half teams in all of D-1 last season and it's all because our coaches (stoops) never changed things up. They never made any adjustments to try and catch teams off guard like every other coach in the country does. I've never seen such a predictable head coach in all my time. We never changed things up, so teams always knew exactly what was coming, which in result caused us to be manhandled. Because every coach knew we weren't going to change our scheme accordingly to what they do (example EKU's QB in 2nd half, ULL's QB in 2nd half, UL's QB in second half). I'm even providing examples for you! Please don't act like I'm wrong over here because you know I'm right. We never adjusted once teams figured out how to beat us. We were TOO predictable last season. And if your team is predictable when it comes to schemes. Then the blame 100% goes to the coaches and not the players. The players can't do anything about the coaches calling schemes that don't fit accordingly to the opposition. If your team is predictable. Then it's 110% on the head man. That's the head man's job. Not being predictable.


How many times did you see our DE run right past the QB and go after the HB then all of a sudden the QB has the ball in his hands with not a single defender on that entire side of the field? It's as simple as telling the DE to go after the QB every single time and letting the rest of the defense stop the HB in case he gets the ball. That's the best way to stop the read option. How many teams changed to read option offense last season when it was teams that aren't even read option teams? They did that because coaches knew how clueless our coaches were with option read defense. Teams didn't run that offense hoping they might trick us. They changed the game plan to read option because they KNEW we weren't going to stop it. EKU didn't do read option the first half that much. Then comes the 2nd half and it's read option city. They learned that from ULL when they randomly switched to the read option for its comeback when they abused us. Then EKU abused us with the read option for its comeback. What did UL do to comeback against us again? What was it again? I forgot.... OOHHH, forgot yea now I know it was the read option.

You're going to try and convince me that that's because it's just a hard play to stop? Even when you're playin a D-2 team it's a hard play to stop so that's why we got burnt on it 95% of the time? Even when the team running it was a bad D-2 team? Or is it because we were just that damn bad at stopping the read option so every team used it to its advantage because we schemed for that play as if Stevie Wonder was drawing up the defense? You tell me wildcard. Posts like yours have me dying of laughter. Clueless man. Yea it's just a hard play to stop even against EKU and ULL that's what it was. It couldn't have been our scheme. Why didn't I think of that? It's just a hard play to stop, duhhhh. Jesus man you expect people to take you serious with comments like 'it's just a hard play to stop?' As to why D-2 teams and sunbelt teams abused us on that play? Wow man. Hahahaha. Wow.
 
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Last year we were better than three sec teams we played. (Usc, mizzu,and vandy) with a really good chance and a play away from knocking off the east champion. And had a shot against Auburn. That could of been five five sec wins! Sure beats the hell out of getting beat by fourth each sec game we play. We are getting better!

Vandy needed a pick six from a qb everyone wanted to see in his first game action (towels also threw a perfect ball to Timmons who dropped
Six on first series of game) along with a trick play at home to beat us. We have came along way from the 40-0 beat down from vandy. All while playing with juco roster fillers and lots of youth. Next year is the year to measure the stoops experiment.
What about "ironically, to the west of us, "that school", (like Nevada)...." We should have won, 2 years in a row....basketball we have their number...(not escorts or p*rnh*b) but football....granted they get players on parole...
 

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What about "ironically, to the west of us, "that school", (like Nevada)...." We should have won, 2 years in a row....basketball we have their number...(not escorts or p*rnh*b) but football....granted they get players on parole...
I'll shut up...my step children's father bleeds red....I keep my mouth shut...they love love UK!!! He sooo hates it!
 
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We didn't have the facilities when he first got here. There was the "promise" though. Just like there was with Brooks. Yet, he didn't recruit better. Facilities alone don't recruit kids. To say Stoops has no hand in better recruits is just awful and proves your hatred of him.
Also. Remember what you said in regards to there being a rift in the locker room last season? You said. Maybe not word for word, but something along the lines of. That it is a FACT that there's no rift in the locker room because stoops is a take no crap coach who would never allow that. And you went on and on to people who were talking about said rift saying it was a silly topic because it's untrue and that you had 'sources' in on the situation who confirmed there was 'no rift'. You kept replying to people's posts saying there is no rift stoops wouldn't allow such a thing. Like a week later it was confirmed that there was a rift in the locker room. It's stuff like that in which proves you're just a big hardcore homer with not a realistic bone in your body in regards to stoops and UK football.
 

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Also. Remember what you said in regards to there being a rift in the locker room last season? You said. Maybe not word for word, but something along the lines of. That it is a FACT that there's no rift in the locker room because stoops is a take no crap coach who would never allow that. And you went on and on to people who were talking about said rift saying it was a silly topic because it's untrue and that you had 'sources' in on the situation who confirmed there was 'no rift'. You kept replying to people's posts saying there is no rift stoops wouldn't allow such a thing. Like a week later it was confirmed that there was a rift in the locker room. It's stuff like that in which proves you're just a big hardcore homer with not a realistic bone in your body in regards to stoops and UK football.
Dude. You are the king of making crap up. I never said I know for a fact. I said, according to JRs sources. He, IMO, is the best at getting info. But as with anyone who is human, he was wrong that time. His sources apparently didn't want things to get worse. So again, I put my trust in those close to the situation and have proven to be trust worthy. Not some message board know it all.
 

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We were coaching the DE to watch the ball. As apposed to telling him go after someone. DEFINITELY hampered our ability to stop the read option. You act as if every team had the same amount of trouble in stopping that play as we did. Seriously? No man we were as bad as it gets in the entire country. Maybe as bad AS IVE EVER SEEN. In stopping that play. You can't be serious? And yes it is that simple. Did you see any adjustments to our read option defense (or any adjustment on offense and defense at any point during any game last season?) when obviously what we were doing wasn't working? We don't make adjustments during the game. And once the other teams adjusts they take advantage and we continue to do nothing to adjust to the oppositions adjustments.

We had to be one of the top 10 worst 2nd half teams in all of D-1 last season and it's all because our coaches (stoops) never changed things up. They never made any adjustments to try and catch teams off guard like every other coach in the country does. I've never seen such a predictable head coach in all my time. We never changed things up, so teams always knew exactly what was coming, which in result caused us to be manhandled. Because every coach knew we weren't going to change our scheme accordingly to what they do (example EKU's QB in 2nd half, ULL's QB in 2nd half, UL's QB in second half). I'm even providing examples for you! Please don't act like I'm wrong over here because you know I'm right. We never adjusted once teams figured out how to beat us. We were TOO predictable last season. And if your team is predictable when it comes to schemes. Then the blame 100% goes to the coaches and not the players. The players can't do anything about the coaches calling schemes that don't fit accordingly to the opposition. If your team is predictable. Then it's 110% on the head man. That's the head man's job. Not being predictable.


How many times did you see our DE run right past the QB and go after the HB then all of a sudden the QB has the ball in his hands with not a single defender on that entire side of the field? It's as simple as telling the DE to go after the QB every single time and letting the rest of the defense stop the HB in case he gets the ball. That's the best way to stop the read option. How many teams changed to read option offense last season when it was teams that aren't even read option teams? They did that because coaches knew how clueless our coaches were with option read defense. Teams didn't run that offense hoping they might trick us. They changed the game plan to read option because they KNEW we weren't going to stop it. EKU didn't do read option the first half that much. Then comes the 2nd half and it's read option city. They learned that from ULL when they randomly switched to the read option for its comeback when they abused us. Then EKU abused us with the read option for its comeback. What did UL do to comeback against us again? What was it again? I forgot.... OOHHH, forgot yea now I know it was the read option.

You're going to try and convince me that that's because it's just a hard play to stop? Even when you're playin a D-2 team it's a hard play to stop so that's why we got burnt on it 95% of the time? Even when the team running it was a bad D-2 team? Or is it because we were just that damn bad at stopping the read option so every team used it to its advantage because we schemed for that play as if Stevie Wonder was drawing up the defense? You tell me wildcard. Posts like yours have me dying of laughter. Clueless man. Yea it's just a hard play to stop even against EKU and ULL that's what it was. It couldn't have been our scheme. Why didn't I think of that? It's just a hard play to stop, duhhhh. Jesus man you expect people to take you serious with comments like 'it's just a hard play to stop?' As to why D-2 teams and sunbelt teams abused us on that play? Wow man. Hahahaha. Wow.
First, you are wrong about the Joker reference. I supported him through the midway point of his last year. Then, I just couldn't anymore. I wanted him to work out because if successful thought he would never leave and we could have long term success.

As for the other crap that you said (admittedly I didn't read all of it) let's just say that yes, facilities and the promise helped. But if you don't think that Stoops and his staff can't recruit, then you really need to stop being a UK fan as you apparently think being a fan is cheering against them. The facilities, again, were just a promise to Stoops like they were to Brooks. Stoops made sure it happened. You know how? He gave Mitch his plan to recruit, and in 6 weeks had our best recruiting class in our history. Soon to be outdone by the 2014 class. When Stoops delivered, so did Mitch. Yes, the plans were in the works. But they apparently had been for 10 years. So again, Stoops proved right off the bat that he could recruit. Now, do the facilities help? Absolutely! Noone is denying that. But to say Stoops and staff have nothing to do with better recruiting is ludicrous.

As far as thinking Stoops is proven. I never said he was. He has proven a lot of things though. Yet you say he has proven nothing. Again, he has proven that he can recruit. But a big thing he has proven is that if he sees a problem, then he addresses it. So he has proven to be able to make tough decisions to do what is right for this program.

All you look at is wins. But, like I have said many times on here, you have to win in many other areas before you can win on the field. And those other areas take time.

Also, I didn't say that just because it was a hard play to stop that it is ok. YOU said, it was easy to defend and even tried to explain how to defend it. I simply pointed out that the coach who has had the number one ranked defense in the country for years running, with all the best talent in college football has a hard time stopping it. So apparently, it isn't that simple genious. But, that is your thing, twist people's words. You must work for the government or the media. You have learned the art of trying to twist the truth to support your agenda.
 
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No, Kentucky is not a football school so he is safe no matter what the record. Football schools have very wealthy contributors who step in and make it happen. Kentucky has few if any who would put up a few millions to buy out an unsuccessful coach. So let's ride it out and hope someone on the defensive line learns how to play their position. If they do we can have a winning record. If not we won't get past Southern Miss.
 

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Dude. You are the king of making crap up. I never said I know for a fact. I said, according to JRs sources. He, IMO, is the best at getting info. But as with anyone who is human, he was wrong that time. His sources apparently didn't want things to get worse. So again, I put my trust in those close to the situation and have proven to be trust worthy. Not some message board know it all.
Dude - why haven't you put a certain poster on your Ignore List?
 
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UK still does not have the defensive talent to compete in the SEC. Will they make a bowl? Maybe but it is not a guarantee. Injuries are already taking their toll and we should not forget that we have a totally unproven and, for that matter, unknown coaching staff. This has the makings of a long and painful season. However, even if UK falls short of a bowl game Coach Stoops should be given another season. If there is no real improvement in the number of wins, particularly SEC wins then I would think 2017 season would be his last.
 
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First, you are wrong about the Joker reference. I supported him through the midway point of his last year. Then, I just couldn't anymore. I wanted him to work out because if successful thought he would never leave and we could have long term success.

As for the other crap that you said (admittedly I didn't read all of it) let's just say that yes, facilities and the promise helped. But if you don't think that Stoops and his staff can't recruit, then you really need to stop being a UK fan as you apparently think being a fan is cheering against them. The facilities, again, were just a promise to Stoops like they were to Brooks. Stoops made sure it happened. You know how? He gave Mitch his plan to recruit, and in 6 weeks had our best recruiting class in our history. Soon to be outdone by the 2014 class. When Stoops delivered, so did Mitch. Yes, the plans were in the works. But they apparently had been for 10 years. So again, Stoops proved right off the bat that he could recruit. Now, do the facilities help? Absolutely! Noone is denying that. But to say Stoops and staff have nothing to do with better recruiting is ludicrous.

As far as thinking Stoops is proven. I never said he was. He has proven a lot of things though. Yet you say he has proven nothing. Again, he has proven that he can recruit. But a big thing he has proven is that if he sees a problem, then he addresses it. So he has proven to be able to make tough decisions to do what is right for this program.

All you look at is wins. But, like I have said many times on here, you have to win in many other areas before you can win on the field. And those other areas take time.

Also, I didn't say that just because it was a hard play to stop that it is ok. YOU said, it was easy to defend and even tried to explain how to defend it. I simply pointed out that the coach who has had the number one ranked defense in the country for years running, with all the best talent in college football has a hard time stopping it. So apparently, it isn't that simple genious. But, that is your thing, twist people's words. You must work for the government or the media. You have learned the art of trying to twist the truth to support your agenda.
I'm not reading all of this post because i feel like the more of your post I read the dumber I get. But no man stoops hasn't proven anything. That's where I stopped reading. you said he's proven a lot of things and he honestly hasn't proven anything. And the facilities that we spent millions on (we spent those millions to bring in better recruits)
Is way more of a factor in bringing in these recruits than stoops. Way more of a factor. Without those facilities and money we don't bring in any better than what Brooks brought in. That's why we spent the money. If you think stoops would be recruiting 1/3rd of the level he has been with the facilities Brooks had to work with. Then your as delusional as I thought.
 
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Dude - why haven't you put a certain poster on your Ignore List?
Idk. Maybe it's good to hear a realistic fan sometimes as apposed to all these sunshine pumping stoops is a proven HC posters that flood the boards. Find one incorrect statement I have made. Was the 5-14 in last 19'games without a win over a winning team an incorrect statement? Or am I speaking the truth. Eh. Whatever.
 

merrimanm

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Idk. Maybe it's good to hear a realistic fan sometimes as apposed to all these sunshine pumping stoops is a proven HC posters that flood the boards. Find one incorrect statement I have made. Was the 5-14 in last 19'games without a win over a winning team an incorrect statement? Or am I speaking the truth. Eh. Whatever.
Again, stats don't always tell the story. Small minded people can only see the end result. They don't comprehend all the little details that go into being successful. Sometimes, those little details take time to change and isn't instant.
 

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Thoughts?

Personally I doubt he would be fired but no bowl this season and he might lose the support of the fan base.
The guy finally has some depth. He inherited nothing. In as tough of a conference as we are in you gotta have depth. Not saying we are going to be world beaters but Brooks built up depth and had nice success. If they can get some wins and a shocking win they will have a lot to sell and keep building. Think about it we have filled holes with JUCO guys in the interim and most all have developed and helped the program. That tells me they know what they need and can develop players. I don't get what happened last year with what looked like a team split but I think these guys are behind Barker. Jury is out on the front 7 but my money is on this staff making them competitive and keeping us in games.
 
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ScrewDuke1

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The guy finally has some depth. He inherited nothing. In as tough of a conference as we are in you gotta have depth. Not saying we are going to be world beaters but Brooks built up depth and had nice success. If they can get some wins and a shocking win they will have a lot to sell and keep building. Think about it we have filled holes with JUCO guys in the interim and most all have developed and helped the program. That tells me they know what they need and can develop players. I don't get what happened last year with what looked like a team split but I think these guys are behind Barker. Jury is out on the front 7 but my money is on this staff making them competitive and keeping us in games.
Good post with many fair points.
 

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Yes I thank he should be let go if he cannot get UK to a bowl game this yr after this length of time, maybe there might be a coach out there that can take us to a bowl game, this is no fun not going to a bowl yr after yr and losing to the ville each yr also.
 
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The guy finally has some depth. He inherited nothing. In as tough of a conference as we are in you gotta have depth. Not saying we are going to be world beaters but Brooks built up depth and had nice success. If they can get some wins and a shocking win they will have a lot to sell and keep building. Think about it we have filled holes with JUCO guys in the interim and most all have developed and helped the program. That tells me they know what they need and can develop players. I don't get what happened last year with what looked like a team split but I think these guys are behind Barker. Jury is out on the front 7 but my money is on this staff making them competitive and keeping us in games.

I agree. Is it not reasonable to give Stoops the same amount of time we gave Rich Brooks? Stoops has shown that he doesn't accept excuses from his assistants who don't perform. Starting with little to nothing, he's done fairly well so far. I don't think fans appreciate how badly the Joker years set the program back. After so many years of crappy football with fans patiently living through it, why not have the patience to let Stoops build his program?
 

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Last year we were better than three sec teams we played. (Usc, mizzu,and vandy) with a really good chance and a play away from knocking off the east champion. And had a shot against Auburn. That could of been five five sec wins! Sure beats the hell out of getting beat by fourth each sec game we play. We are getting better!

Vandy needed a pick six from a qb everyone wanted to see in his first game action (towels also threw a perfect ball to Timmons who dropped
Six on first series of game) along with a trick play at home to beat us. We have came along way from the 40-0 beat down from vandy. All while playing with juco roster fillers and lots of youth. Next year is the year to measure the stoops experiment.

They were also just a couple of plays from losing to ULL and EKU. Don't let your homer views get in the way of reality.

Stoops is over his head here and it is obvious.
 

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I agree. Is it not reasonable to give Stoops the same amount of time we gave Rich Brooks? Stoops has shown that he doesn't accept excuses from his assistants who don't perform. Starting with little to nothing, he's done fairly well so far. I don't think fans appreciate how badly the Joker years set the program back. After so many years of crappy football with fans patiently living through it, why not have the patience to let Stoops build his program?
Stoops is getting that opportunity. And then some. Stoops has a contract that all but guarantees him at least 5 years. IIRC Brooks was on pretty thin ice going into an absolute make or break Year 4. But it worked out great (perhaps Barnhart's best football decision) and led to a nice 4 year bowl run by the "old" man. The 4 consecutive winning seasons were the most since a guy named Bryant coached the team.

Stoops seems to get a lot of fan sympathy because of what he inherited from Joker but I remind those fans that just about every new coach other than Joker took over a losing mess...that mess is why they became the new coach. IMO, this is a very important season for Stoops and Co. His contract all but ensures he will get a Year 5 but six wins and a bowl appearance this year is the minimal (and very reasonable) expectation to maintain confidence he has things on the right track. As I have noted before, other than John Ray, every coach who stayed 4 years or more at UK has had a 6 win season by Year 4.

Peace
 

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That is the norm. Fans want to cling to the "what he inherited" defense for years before turning on the coach. Then they use the previous situation that they supported as defense for the next coach.

Simple matter of fact Stoops inherited a bad situation that got that bad because we waited to long to realize that it was heading that direction. We don't want to duplicate that again with Stoops. The last thing we need is to give him 2 more years when we know it won't work out. By then the coach that replaces Stoops will inherit a situation that is at least as bad as what Stoops inherited. We really don't want to make the progress that we have made just to start all over again where we were 5 years ago do we?

Stoops inherited a bad situation but there has been a lot of exaggeration on how bad it was. It was certainly not worse than what Brooks inherited. Mumme was dealt a better situation because of Couch and Joker of course started off with a better situation. Every other coach besides those started off with almost the same situation as Stoops except of course Brooks who started off with during the worst part of probation. Also the situation that Stoops inherited is gone now. No matter how much Joker set us back that situation is no more. Stoops' guys are now seniors. There is no reason he should not be able to beat schools like Vandy, South Carolian and Missouri. All of which have similar talent shortages and they are newer in their rebuilding process than Stoops is. Again we are asking him to beat Alabama just Vandy.

To be honest I don't believe we would have beaten Western Kentucky last year if we had played them. They aren't even SEC level talent and they have hired 2 coaches since Stoops got here.
 

catfanjd

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Stoops is getting that opportunity. And then some. Stoops has a contract that all but guarantees him at least 5 years. IIRC Brooks was on pretty thin ice going into an absolute make or break Year 4. But it worked out great (perhaps Barnhart's best football decision) and led to a nice 4 year bowl run by the "old" man. The 4 consecutive winning seasons were the most since a guy named Bryant coached the team.

Stoops seems to get a lot of fan sympathy because of what he inherited from Joker but I remind those fans that just about every new coach other than Joker took over a losing mess...that mess is why they became the new coach. IMO, this is a very important season for Stoops and Co. His contract all but ensures he will get a Year 5 but six wins and a bowl appearance this year is the minimal (and very reasonable) expectation to maintain confidence he has things on the right track. As I have noted before, other than John Ray, every coach who stayed 4 years or more at UK has had a 6 win season by Year 4.

Peace
Bud it isn't sympathy. It is FACT. I will grant you we need a winning season 6-6 from a recruiting standpoint. He has had 2 full classes, the first class was a scramble.

You should also think about the politics. I have nothing against Patrick Towles but given who is family is, I am betting there was a lot of pressure on the coaching staff to get him to starter status. Towles was inconsistent and took too long to get rid of the football and our offensive line wasn't stout enough to buy him time (again because they had to play youth because there was nothing recruited by the prior staff.

In any event I think it will be very interesting. Reports out of Boston College are that Towles might not win the job. I wish nothing bad for the kid....I know he loves UK and dreamed of being the MAN here. Sometimes things just don't work out like we want them to.

Some on here are relentless on Stoops and his animated sidelines and want to compare how he coaches to the nations best coaches in established programs. He has to be animated, he has to fight the officials and give that reputation...for far too long Kentucky football has been the whipping boy of the conference....wouldn't want old Kentucky to mess up the big SEC Championship game by knocking someone off there aren't supposed to....remember Florida 2 years ago and the clock?

He has to show these young kids that he is a fighter for them. Should he lose his mind and allow to cost him....NO! I know he has done that, but that is also the job of the assistant coaches to keep their man's mind in the game (Cal loses his mind at times now doesn't he?).

Do you remember Rick Pitino those first few years when we were on probation? How many games did he get thrown out of? Games he knew he couldn't win? You can't do that in football and survive because the season is too short.

I am seeing all the right things out of the entire staff. I am seeing size and speed on the field and depth building at most positions. Do you know the toughest position to recruit in all of college football? I'll help you out DT. That is why the good ones are coveted and picked very early in the NFL drafts.

Sorry for the rant but I wanted to keep Brooks in mid-season year 3 when most wanted him fired. I saw the best talent and numbers be it young talent that Kentucky had had in a long time. I see the same thing happening now. Saturday will be a big indicator but I expect a dominate run game that controls the clock and keeps their all-star QB off the field as much as possible. Go CATS....I will go on the record that Stoops is my man....you can all ridicule me later if I am wrong