Winslow Flop

[Runt#1969]

I hate to make another Duke - related thread, but I thought this deserves some commentary in a thread all to its' own. It was truly another one of those kind of flops that Duke is famous for. We need a gif or video or some pics or SOMETHING to bring some attention to it.

After he made contact with the top of his shoulder, Winslow had the right initial, genuine reaction, which was a momentary, (I'll call it "surprised") reaction and with it being minimal contact, the duke player made the concurrent minimal movement due to the contact from it.

BUT THEN, when he realized the elbow was about a foot away, and in that split second, realized he could fake and make it look like there was actual physical contact from the elbow (thus, hoping to draw the technical foul) he immediately (and by immediately, I mean he made the split second conscious decision to snap his head back and fall down to draw attention to it.

I mean, it was only contact from literally on TOP of the shoulder that he drew the idea to flop from, hoping to make it look like a flagrant elbow.

I saw it in real time, and immediately called him out for it, and was cussing the announcers for not even making a comment about it. I mean it was so blatant a flop that I could see it in real time on TV. You know it's a bad flop when they don't even fake it and it's not a bang-bang type play.

Your thoughts?

 

[.S&C.]

Yess more Duke threads uuhh!!!! HOWEVER

I really really want to see the flop but can't. If someone could be so kind to let some of us see a few of them, or at least the Winslow flop. And was the flop actually called in his favor?

This post was edited on 1/11 5:06 PM by .S&C.

 

[preacherfan]

Originally posted by .S&C.:
Yess more Duke threads uuhh!!!! HOWEVER

I really really want to see the flop but can't. If someone could be so kind to let some of us see a few of them, or at least the Winslow flop. And was the flop actually called in his favor?

This post was edited on 1/11 5:06 PM by .S&C.

Even after looking at the replay, it was ruled incidental. The contact was far less than Ulis received but I think the non-call does show that the refs are using some common sense judgement on some of these calls.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

Duke used to just have the charge flop, but now they have added the overly obvious flop on 3s. Kick your legs out and fall down. Tyus Jones has it down to a science.

 

[.S&C.]

I still don't know why ANYONE In the media has never asked him about his flopping routine and does he find it respectable. Ask him, should rules be put in place so we play basketball and not flop soccer?

 

[Runt#1969]

Yeah, incidental contact was ruled, thus, no call of any kind made. Which, in the end, infuriates me. The flopping players need to be held accountable for flopping. Do the officials have the discretion to call a technical foul on players for any reason they "deem fit?" If so, I would think that flagrantly flopping, resulting in a long review process, breaking up the pace of the game, should be deemed as a technical.

At the very least, they could give a warning for delay of game, and the next flop, call a technical. Sure, I understand that they usually goto the monitors because they're checking for a possible elbow being thrown, but in this case, at least it seemed to me (and I was looking at this in real time on the dern TV) it was painfully obvious that Winslow was FLOPPING.

They have got to do something to remedy this flopping. It is happening in every game I watch these days. The outcry and indignation people are expressing about flopping isn't having an iota of impact on what the players are doing on the court. If anything, it seems they're even trying to do it MORE because there's no rule against it, and only good things can come from it.

This is one thing that is DEFINITELY ruining the game of basketball.

but as for a gif or replay in a video or something, I haven't seen one anywhere of it in this particular case. Yet. I'm sure that, eventually, someone, somewhere (prob'ly on our board) will catch it and put a link up here, or the video itself.

 

[*dezyDECO*]

Hopefully, the flop will get some airplay... can't wait to see how it compares to the one UL tired to pull on the Cats. I was so caught up in the Dallas vs. Green Bay game, I forgot that Duke was playing.

 

[Ugoff]

Players who stop the clock with their flopping and crying routine should be t'd up for delay of game, with ejection for a second offense. What gets lost in all this is that the player wanted to cheat so badly he was willing to interrupt a game to do it. It's really pathetic, and it's being coached by the likes of the Krybabyshitski, Crean and Pitino, whether they admit it or not.

 

[KyFaninNC]

The refs reviewed it and called it incidental. After the review they should have assessed a technical on Winslow. It will take something like this to stop it. That said, the twins flop a lot as well.

 

[Ugoff]

Originally posted by KyFaninNC:

The refs reviewed it and called it incidental. After the review they should have assessed a technical on Winslow. It will take something like this to stop it. That said, the twins flop a lot as well.

Perhaps, but I'd like to make the distinction between exaggerating contact and flopping around on the floor like a little ***** when you weren't even contacted, stopping a game that millions of people are watching.

 

[goingpostal72]

I've never seen the twins fall down violently without getting hit. Also about 4 straight possessions Duke players fell down after shooting a three trying to bait the official into a bogus call. Flopping is cheating and the NCAA needs to put a damn stop to it
This post was edited on 1/11 7:10 PM by goingpostal72

 

[BBUK_anon]

Originally posted by KyFaninNC:

The refs reviewed it and called it incidental. After the review they should have assessed a technical on Winslow. It will take something like this to stop it. That said, the twins flop a lot as well.

Witnessed it a lot yourself have you. It seems in every thread where unsportsman-like conduct is claimed a somewhat UK poster will always bring in the "such and such, or UK does it as well." I tell you what would happen if it happens like you claim. It would be on sportscenter nightly.

Oh; I didn't see any replays where Tyler never flinched at getting stitches and it being on sportscenter. A play like that should be.

 

[Runt#1969]

Originally posted by goingpostal72:

I've never seen the twins fall down violently without getting hit. Also about 4 straight possessions Duke players fell down after shooting a three trying to bait the official into a bogus call. Flopping is cheating and the NCAA needs to put a damn stop to it
This post was edited on 1/11 7:10 PM by goingpostal72

This too, great catch. I should've added this in the thread as well. This whole kicking the legs while going up and shooting the ball, then falling down after contact has been made when the SHOOTING PLAYER INITIATES THE CONTACT is every bit a flop as anything else.

It's infuriating. Maddening. UNSPORTSMANLIKE to a degree unlike anything I've ever seen (to the degree it's being done by players all over the country).

This kind of play is "LOSERBALL" it's what LOSERS do that know they're on their way to losing a game, or are losers at heart and can't play a game straight up. They have to resort to such wussified tactics as to try and bait officials (which are there to try and fairly call the game according to the rules) into making calls so as to get an advantage or help them win.

I'm not going to rail anymore about it. But it needs to stop - everywhere - and stop NOW. SOMETHING has to be done.

 

[bigbluelou]

Over the years, I've honestly ignored the whole "Dook flops" discussions. Other than the few that got a lot of airplay, I usually just chuckled and went on my way.

Today, I actively looked for it and it was eye-opening. It was so glaringly obvious on so many plays that it literally made me angry. There is nothing "sporting" or "competitive" about it. It is outright cheating, and I hope beyond hope that the NCAA takes a hard look at this offseason.

 

[*dezyDECO*]

Originally posted by bigbluelou:
Over the years, I've honestly ignored the whole "Dook flops" discussions. Other than the few that got a lot of airplay, I usually just chuckled and went on my way.

Today, I actively looked for it and it was eye-opening. It was so glaringly obvious on so many plays that it literally made me angry. There is nothing "sporting" or "competitive" about it. It is outright cheating, and I hope beyond hope that the NCAA takes a hard look at this offseason.

HA!

The NCAA has had plenty of offseason(s) to examine the flopping phenomenon. What has come of that, so far?

Nothing. Zip. Nada.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I'll say it again. Flops like that should be a flagrant 1. That would end it immediately.

 

[Wernicke Korsakoff]

Video?

 

[Runt#1969]

Originally posted by bigbluelou:
Over the years, I've honestly ignored the whole "Dook flops" discussions. Other than the few that got a lot of airplay, I usually just chuckled and went on my way.

Today, I actively looked for it and it was eye-opening. It was so glaringly obvious on so many plays that it literally made me angry. There is nothing "sporting" or "competitive" about it. It is outright cheating, and I hope beyond hope that the NCAA takes a hard look at this offseason.

yeah, just can't ignore it on days like today. I was pretty much like you BBL. But now, it's so bad something has to be done, some kind of attention HAS GOT to be called to it.

 

[Ugoff]

When K retires, something will be done about flopping. Until then K will continue to make a living off it, and barnacles like fifteeno will continue to suckle from the Coach k flopping teat.

This post was edited on 1/11 8:20 PM by Ugoff

 

[UKDC80]

Video plz

 

[jameslee32]

Just have to watch basketball instead of Wifey.

 

[*dezyDECO*]

Originally posted by Ugoff:
When K retires, something will be done about flopping. Until then K will continue to make a living off it, and barnacles like fifteeno will continue to suckle from the Coach k flopping teat.


This post was edited on 1/11 8:20 PM by Ugoff

This^^^^^

Once K is gone... the NCAA will do something about this insult to the integrity of the game. Then, maybe they'll also say players shouldn't be buying 100K worth of gold jewelry.

 

[dmaso44]

Coming soon the floppening

 

[yabbadabbadoo_rivals213851]

That Quinn Cook flop shooting a 3 in the corner toward the end of the game was a dandy also. It looked like he'd be hit with a cannon ball.

 

[bigbluelou]

Originally posted by dezyDeco:

Originally posted by bigbluelou:
Over the years, I've honestly ignored the whole "Dook flops" discussions. Other than the few that got a lot of airplay, I usually just chuckled and went on my way.

Today, I actively looked for it and it was eye-opening. It was so glaringly obvious on so many plays that it literally made me angry. There is nothing "sporting" or "competitive" about it. It is outright cheating, and I hope beyond hope that the NCAA takes a hard look at this offseason.

HA!

The NCAA has had plenty of offseason(s) to examine the flopping phenomenon. What has come of that, so far?

Nothing. Zip. Nada.

I understand your skepticism, but this year it seems to have gotten a LOT more exposure on national TV. Announcers and analysts are talking about it more at length. Bilas, Vitale and others have made it a point of discussion regularly. Bilas in particular was disgusted about Jones' antics in the UK game, and made his point loud and clear.

Maybe the new "kinder and gentler" NCAA will start to buckle to some of this pressure. One can dream, can't one?

 

[kyh00ps]

Couldn't find anything on UTube.

 

[Ugoff]

Originally posted by kyh00ps:
Couldn't find anything on UTube.

K had the internet scrubbed. Can't afford a "Chris Jones" type PR fiasco.

 

[preacherfan]

Originally posted by kyh00ps:
Couldn't find anything on UTube.

Then try youtube!

(bad joke)

 

[*dezyDECO*]

Originally posted by bigbluelou:

Originally posted by dezyDeco:

Originally posted by bigbluelou:
Over the years, I've honestly ignored the whole "Dook flops" discussions. Other than the few that got a lot of airplay, I usually just chuckled and went on my way.

Today, I actively looked for it and it was eye-opening. It was so glaringly obvious on so many plays that it literally made me angry. There is nothing "sporting" or "competitive" about it. It is outright cheating, and I hope beyond hope that the NCAA takes a hard look at this offseason.

HA!

The NCAA has had plenty of offseason(s) to examine the flopping phenomenon. What has come of that, so far?

Nothing. Zip. Nada.

I understand your skepticism, but this year it seems to have gotten a LOT more exposure on national TV. Announcers and analysts are talking about it more at length. Bilas, Vitale and others have made it a point of discussion regularly. Bilas in particular was disgusted about Jones' antics in the UK game, and made his point loud and clear.

Maybe the new "kinder and gentler" NCAA will start to buckle to some of this pressure. One can dream, can't one?

I'm glad it's getting some play by the talking heads... and I'll dream along with you.

In reality, as another poster stated in another topic on this board, nothing will get done until after K retires, most likely. The NCAA won't take away their BFF's most useful weapon, while he's still coaching.

 

[LineSkiCat]

Originally posted by Ugoff:
When K retires, something will be done about flopping. Until then K will continue to make a living off it, and barnacles like fifteeno will continue to suckle from the Coach k flopping teat.

This post was edited on 1/11 8:20 PM by Ugoff

Not before a telethon to save Duke.. that school is going to fall HARD.