Wisconsin Now #2 in BPI

Huma1894

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at a rating of 91.4. We are, of course, #1 with a rating of 95.2.

Also, looking at the Kenpom ratings, Wisconsin is significantly better this year in both offense and defense. Their offense has improved from .9211 to .9541 (now tops in the NCAA) and their defense has improved from 97.6 to 93.5.

UK, which had a subpar year in 2014 until very late in the season, has improved slightly in offense from 117.3 to 118.6 this year, and has improved big time in defense from 96.2 to 85.1.

These are the best two teams right now. Too bad if they meet in Elite Eight.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
 

Dutycat

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Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:
I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
We have a big disadvantage with these strength of schedule rankings in that we can't play ourselves.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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Originally posted by Dutycat:


Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:
I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
We have a big disadvantage with these strength of schedule rankings in that we can't play ourselves.
Ha, Yep. So I was curious and went to ESPN to see their raw stats for pts, reds, blah, blah, blah. I expected to solid numbers. Nope. They are terrible in almost every category. They can shoot from 2.........and that's about it. They can't rebound, get assists or turnovers. They hold teams to low scoring, but that is more a reflection of who they play. They are about our level shooting 3's.
 

jwheat

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I wonder if Wisky's fans are as afraid of us as we are of them?

Ive never seen so much fear of a bunch of unathletic white guys as I have read on this board this year. Who is 31-0 and who isnt? I would take UNC and Louisville over Wisky.
 

BigBlueFanGA

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No fear from me. I'm just trying to understand the hype and I think that is all it is, empty hype. They are the best of a sorry group in the B1G, but they are still slow and plodding. I hope we play them again, just to prove a point.
 
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anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y

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Originally posted by ThroughBlue:

I wonder if Wisky's fans are as afraid of us as we are of them?

Ive never seen so much fear of a bunch of unathletic white guys as I have read on this board this year. Who is 31-0 and who isnt? I would take UNC and Louisville over Wisky.
It's the Matt Jones cronies. All year, Jones has fretted about just about everybody we play. Alabama, Arkansas, LSU and especially Wisconsin. That boy is a wuss personified. I actually believe Dakich when he said he walked up to Jones to introduce himself and Jones was shaking in his shoes. Grow some balls Jones.
 

uk78_rivals88018

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For me it isn't so much fear but fairness. At this point the accomplishments of this Kentucky team should be rewarded. This reward is Not because I or we are fans, but the actual achieved outcome. You can't count on an "A" game in every tournament match-up and history also suggests someone might get an injury in a tough physical contest.

Wisconsin is capable of beating Kentucky not that they will. They are very good and certainly seem the best of the 2 seeds. Why should a less achieving Duke or Virginia get an easier path to a Final Four? That is my issue.
 

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Originally posted by uk78:
For me it isn't so much fear but fairness. At this point the accomplishments of this Kentucky team should be rewarded. This reward is Not because I or we are fans, but the actual achieved outcome. You can't count on an "A" game in every tournament match-up and history also suggests someone might get an injury in a tough physical contest.

Wisconsin is capable of beating Kentucky not that they will. They are very good and certainly seem the best of the 2 seeds. Why should a less achieving Duke or Virginia get an easier path to a Final Four? That is my issue.
Exactly. If the 2 seeds were even I wouldn't care that Kentucky has what is essentially the third best team in the country as its 2. But seeing weak 2 seeds like Kansas or Gonzaga matched up with Duke or Virginia when Kentucky is 31-0 and the clear #1 team makes me a little sick.

I saw a couple weeks ago that someone on the committee said they can't change the NCAA procedures (geography over seed rank) for what is basically a one year anomaly (one undefeated Goliath that every team would prefer to avoid pre-FF). I say why not? The committee uses its seemingly arbitrary judgment when deciding who the final four teams in and final teams out are. You're telling me that they get leeway for that but they can't make one adjustment to ensure two top 3 teams aren't forced into the same bracket? GTFO.
 

Major_Tom

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Originally posted by Dutycat:


Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:
I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
We have a big disadvantage with these strength of schedule rankings in that we can't play ourselves.
Actually our SOS should be number one by FAR. We are the only team that can and does play itself every practice.
 

jwheat

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Originally posted by U9K:


Originally posted by ThroughBlue:

I wonder if Wisky's fans are as afraid of us as we are of them?

Ive never seen so much fear of a bunch of unathletic white guys as I have read on this board this year. Who is 31-0 and who isnt? I would take UNC and Louisville over Wisky.
It's the Matt Jones cronies. All year, Jones has fretted about just about everybody we play. Alabama, Arkansas, LSU and especially Wisconsin. That boy is a wuss personified. I actually believe Dakich when he said he walked up to Jones to introduce himself and Jones was shaking in his shoes. Grow some balls Jones.
I listen to Matt Jones every morning from 9-11 and while I love the show I do not let him form my opinions. I fear no one this year but I would much less want to play Virginia and a team that wants to bog the game than a team of white boys that think they can score with us
 

ukalumni00

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KY is better than them and everyone else. Everyone should be scared to play KY right now. If this team plays like it should they are not losing to anyone. Having an easier bracket is always preferred but you have to beat good teams no matter what. If WI is in KY's bracket then so be it. When folks say WI poses a lot of challenges, well, they have not played anyone close to the challenge they face against KY. They are essentially the same team KY played last year. KY's roster is significantly better plus Willie did not play in that game last year.

If they lose to WI or anyone else, it simply was not meant to be.
 
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Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:

Originally posted by Dutycat:


Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:
I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
We have a big disadvantage with these strength of schedule rankings in that we can't play ourselves.
Ha, Yep. So I was curious and went to ESPN to see their raw stats for pts, reds, blah, blah, blah. I expected to solid numbers. Nope. They are terrible in almost every category. They can shoot from 2.........and that's about it. They can't rebound, get assists or turnovers. They hold teams to low scoring, but that is more a reflection of who they play. They are about our level shooting 3's.
Lowest turnover rate in the country.
23rd in effective field goal %.
9th in 2P%.
14th in FT%

Kentucky is:
40th in turnover rate
71st in effective field goal %
43rd in 2P%
below the national average in 3P%
102nd in FT%

Can't rebound? They rank 3rd in the country for defensive rebound %. Kentucky only ranks 210 and is below the national average.
 
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It's a farce if Virginia and Villanova get one seeds over Wisconsin.

I get tired of hearing this stuff about travel as well. I am sure their fans would rather them be a #1 outside of the Midwest then be a #2 to UK.

Also, the argument about travel times for the student athletes....that's all BS. So they get on a plane for 4 hours instead of 2? This isn't 1945.
 
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Originally posted by ThroughBlue:

I would take UNC and Louisville over Wisky.
Meaning you'd rather face Wisconsin than Carolina or UofL in the tournament? Let's not get carried away here. Wisconsin may not be worthy of the handwringing we're seeing on this board, but they are a good sight better than either of those two teams.....
 
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Originally posted by ukfan79:

It's a farce if Virginia and Villanova get one seeds over Wisconsin.

I get tired of hearing this stuff about travel as well. I am sure their fans would rather them be a #1 outside of the Midwest then be a #2 to UK.

Also, the argument about travel times for the student athletes....that's all BS. So they get on a plane for 4 hours instead of 2? This isn't 1945.
If Virginia doesn't win the ACC-T which is over Saturday:

Midwest - UK
East - Villanova
South - Dook
West - Wisconsin

I think Kansas is then becomes our 2 seed.

If Villanova does not win the Big East Tourney and if Dook loses, a huge can of worms is open.

Only thing for certain is UK is a lock for the Midwest.

Lots of games to go and those three seeds are still in play IMO.
 

Big_Blue79

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Originally posted by wildcatsboston1984:

Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:

Originally posted by Dutycat:


Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:
I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
We have a big disadvantage with these strength of schedule rankings in that we can't play ourselves.
Ha, Yep. So I was curious and went to ESPN to see their raw stats for pts, reds, blah, blah, blah. I expected to solid numbers. Nope. They are terrible in almost every category. They can shoot from 2.........and that's about it. They can't rebound, get assists or turnovers. They hold teams to low scoring, but that is more a reflection of who they play. They are about our level shooting 3's.
Lowest turnover rate in the country.
23rd in effective field goal %.
9th in 2P%.
14th in FT%

Kentucky is:
40th in turnover rate
71st in effective field goal %
43rd in 2P%
below the national average in 3P%
102nd in FT%

Can't rebound? They rank 3rd in the country for defensive rebound %. Kentucky only ranks 210 and is below the national average.
But changing the denominator from game to possession is scary! Drown the witch!
 

Gary4UK

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Let them put who they will in our path.... Don't you guys know by now, that it will only make UK play better...... I'm sure Cal will like to tell these guys what the NCAA is doing to keep them from winning......
 

Rhavic

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Originally posted by wildcatsboston1984:

Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:

Originally posted by Dutycat:


Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:
I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
We have a big disadvantage with these strength of schedule rankings in that we can't play ourselves.
Ha, Yep. So I was curious and went to ESPN to see their raw stats for pts, reds, blah, blah, blah. I expected to solid numbers. Nope. They are terrible in almost every category. They can shoot from 2.........and that's about it. They can't rebound, get assists or turnovers. They hold teams to low scoring, but that is more a reflection of who they play. They are about our level shooting 3's.
Lowest turnover rate in the country.
23rd in effective field goal %.
9th in 2P%.
14th in FT%

Kentucky is:
40th in turnover rate
71st in effective field goal %
43rd in 2P%
below the national average in 3P%
102nd in FT%

Can't rebound? They rank 3rd in the country for defensive rebound %. Kentucky only ranks 210 and is below the national average.
wildcatsboston, eh? You misspelled "badgersboston", you're absolutely blowing Wisconsin right now.
A few of our offensive stats are skewed, especially FT%.
Anytime we run the lineup with Towns at the 5, Lyles at the 4, then 3 of our guards, our overall FG% increases exponentially. Ball movement is better, take care of the ball more, better free throw shooting, and for the record, we're running this lineup a lot more lately.
Our FT% is really spread out among a lot of players (because we play so many guys), but we have a lineup where we can put 5 guys in, in a late game situation, and drill free throws if needed at a 78% clip (Ulis, both Harrison twins, Lyles, Towns, and we can take Booker off the bench if needed, he shoots 82% from the line).
And we've been below the national average in 3P% forever. This is a streaky team, we've had a cold streak, hit a hot streak for a long time, went cold again, and I imagine we'll get hot again.
Now, the turnover rate. You can complain about turnover rate if you want. It makes you look pretty silly, especially since our coach was literally complaining that we haven't been getting enough turnovers by the end of games. Plus, we have a very solid assist-to-turnover ratio. Had one all season, and with the improved play of Andrew as of late, I would think that it's gotten better.
As for UK's defensive rebounding percentage, that's mainly because of our transition offense. We could fix that defensive rebounding number, but would have to really take away from our transition offense, which we shouldn't do. When other teams get defensive rebounds, more often than not, they have to take the ball out and reset their offense because they immediately have 2 of our shot-blockers on them, and our guards are all sprinting back to defensive spots.
You also didn't accredit our team for being the 3rd ranked offensive rebounding team in the country, collecting 40% of our missed shots.
The two schools ahead of us are Baylor, and a mid-major, who both get 41% of missed shots. An unnoticeable difference.

So, all that said, feel free to show defensive stats as well. Since you're feeling that kinda way.
 

Big_Blue79

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Originally posted by BigBlueFanGA:
I have significant issues with these "adjusted" ratings. It all hinges on the SOS myth. He would do better just putting up straight numbers and let fans decide on their own how to adjust them. He still shows us with a NCSOS of 105. That is patently ridiculous. It also means many of his other stats are just as inappropriately skewed.
Why is it patently ridiculous? UK played UL, Kansas, UNC, and Texas (when they were decent) sure. And I guess UCLA is okay. The rest of the schedule was...? So should stats from the UK games against tournament level competition have the same weight as Wisconsin's beat down of Chattanooga? Or destruction of Milwaukee? Or is the "SOS myth" only a myth when it "harms" UK's rating?
 

bernman23

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There's something wrong with your memory, because these slow and plodding kids with "empty hype" were in the Final Four last year and lost about a 51%/49% game due to UK hitting a long shot to take the lead and UW not coming back with their own. They've already proven they weren't hype and are better this year with experience. Both teams are.
 

kat57

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Originally posted by bernman23:
There's something wrong with your memory, because these slow and plodding kids with "empty hype" were in the Final Four last year and lost about a 51%/49% game due to UK hitting a long shot to take the lead and UW not coming back with their own. They've already proven they weren't hype and are better this year with experience. Both teams are.

And last year WCS didn't play.
 

UKWildcats#8

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Originally posted by kat57:
Originally posted by bernman23:
There's something wrong with your memory, because these slow and plodding kids with "empty hype" were in the Final Four last year and lost about a 51%/49% game due to UK hitting a long shot to take the lead and UW not coming back with their own. They've already proven they weren't hype and are better this year with experience. Both teams are.

And last year WCS didn't play.
And Brust or Burst or whatevr is not walking through that door for Wisconsin with his 96 three's or whatever he had last year, including 3/7 against UK. Do not mistake me, Wisconsin will hit 3's if open and UK would be unwise to dare them to shoot a lot of open 3's, but they do not have a guy like that this year.

I also looked at the box score and notice UK shot 2/5 from three...look for UK to humiliate Wisconsin inside again as Cal emphasizes high percentage shots due to Wisconsin's pace.
 

emmcat

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I think Wisconsin matches up with KY better than any team in the country. They can flip their big men, open the floor and reduce the effectiveness of our defense.

Their big people can shoot threes and their back court guys can drive okay especially if WCS and KAT aren't in there to block shots.

Don't get me wrong... I think UK is a better team ,maybe 8 points better. BUT.. Wisconsin is a real threat much more so than Duke, Virginia, Villanova, Arizona, etc.
 

rgbowlds

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Folks, UVA will be a no 1 seed no matter what happens this week. They just lost for only the second time this year! One loss to the number 2 team in the country in duke and 1 loss on the road to a top 20 team in louisville. They don't even have their best player in Justin Anderson and he returns this week. UVA is a harder matchup for UK than Wisconsin IMO due to their ability to slow it down and play a pack it in defense. Wisconsin would be outmatched at just about every position...Best case scenario: Kansas or Gonzaga as our 2 seed. Either way all the worrying is futile, we are going to win this championship regardless of who we play. Just enjoy March madness.
 

UKWildcats#8

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Originally posted by CatPhight:
Originally posted by ukfan79:

It's a farce if Virginia and Villanova get one seeds over Wisconsin.

I get tired of hearing this stuff about travel as well. I am sure their fans would rather them be a #1 outside of the Midwest then be a #2 to UK.

Also, the argument about travel times for the student athletes....that's all BS. So they get on a plane for 4 hours instead of 2? This isn't 1945.
If Virginia doesn't win the ACC-T which is over Saturday:

Midwest - UK
East - Villanova
South - Dook
West - Wisconsin

I think Kansas is then becomes our 2 seed.

If Villanova does not win the Big East Tourney and if Dook loses, a huge can of worms is open.

Only thing for certain is UK is a lock for the Midwest.

Lots of games to go and those three seeds are still in play IMO.
You actually think they will move top 2 seed UVA somewhere other than Cleveland? That is closest to their campus, so that is where they will go.

Plus, if UVA drops Duke is taking the 1 in the East. It is much closer to Durham than Houston.

I want you to be right, we all do. It is fair, but the committee has said they won't be fair. It is purely based on geography.
 

Goingfor9

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I believe is a lock, yes a lock to get the 1 seed in the west if they run the big 10 table. I'm sorry but they are in the top 4 based on rpi right now when you throw out KU. I do not believe 2 teams is in the cards for the ACC even if UVA wins and duke loses. If Villanova loses too then everything is up in the air. Bottomline is Wisconsin controls their destiny to a 1. If they want to avoid uk in Midwest they just need to win conference tournament.