Wisdom & Perspective lacks in Morgantown

[Volatility_rivals135605]

First: Vic K should have been wise enough to know there is a time and place to discuss political beliefs and bringing that divisive subject has ZERO benefits to team meetings. He should have known better then to initiate a conversation topic that can cause division or any form of it.. That fault resides squarely on his shoulders. That has no place in that environment, it truly hinders growth and the ability to connect with his players on a deeper level to get maximum effort, optimal improvement..

Second: KM should have made every effort, including calling a team & staff meeting to handle any issues IN-HOUSE. Running to Social media with a problem, is bad optics FOR EVERYONE, a true Lose/Lose. However, if they had resolved the issue in-house, THEN posted resolutions+Outcomes to SM, this would have exuded the "Family" Solidarity & environment that HCNB has been pitching to recruits. When a single tweet can damage all the time, effort, this staff has put into building this program, I would think they would make every effort to ensure our Athletes feel they have options to initiate change that does not negatively impact the growth of the program.

Personally, Im disappointed with them both. They both made mistakes, a coach should know better, and a student athlete should be more thoughtful of how their SM actions can negatively effect the team or outside perspectives of it. This tweet storm, could seriously set the program back a bit. If our DC is perceived to be a Racist Trump supporter, as is the norm for the politically left, that is Vic's fault for making it known, and KM's fault for not being a man and handling it man2man, or as a team, as a unit, just like a family would.. Do these athletes know how potential employers view this? Its not good.. I would never want to hire someone with a history of airing out issues that should have been resolved in-house..

There are 1000 more positive & productive ways to resolve personal, employment, or managerial issues then running to SM.. Im equally pissed at Vic for bringing divisive subjects into team meetings, not wise, and not the appropriate time & place for such discussions.

All around the entire situation stinks, and I just hope its all resolved and does not hurt Browns ability to keep the program on a upward trajectory.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

How often does that player post?

Usually you can tell a lot by that.
You are assuming that the player doesn't understand the importance of social media.
Some of these players know what to say and not to say to a large crowd.

Let it play out.
Neal Brown may be knowing what he is doing.

 

[Tenn.EER]

This generation is so soft anymore, offended by anything and everything. Id love to see any of this soft generation make it in some of the military units I was in, they would’ve cried like a baby within a week. What a future we have in this great country.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

If Vic has to move on, which would be a shame, I hope we can get Blake Seiler back as DC..

This entire situation is always blowed up by SM. I truly do not see how it provides the optimal path for positive outcomes.

We all loved having a quality DC last year, and I realize sometimes there are things more important then Defensive metrics, and Vic def made a mistake by bringing those topics into his workplace, but even some of the allegations are already untrue. KM's HS coach is denying he ever said Vic had a Slave Owner mentality... In fact, hes saying the opposite..

This is why going to SM is not the optimal solution, it served to widen the divide. Call a team meeting, Call a unit meeting, if changes d not occur, threaten to post the issue to SM. In reality that would probably be all thats needed to source solutions.

Im saying he didnt understand how 1 tweet can ERASE years of work to build a program, to establish its reputation, etc... I would imagine Brown would do all possible to ensure players know they have a voice and can have input into the environment, to voice issues.. Thats how a family operates!

There are 1000 better ways to source solutions then running to SM, and there are 1000 better subjects to discuss as a coach then politics and religion.

Im a strong supporter of KM, and Im also a supporter of Vic, but placing him on Admin leave, was a missed opportunity for positive & quick resolutions. They should have called both parties together, and resolved this in a timely manner, then posted the solutions to SM, which would support the family narrative pitches by Brown.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Instead of handling it like a man, let’s just try and garner self-pity on social media.

How on Earth does a coach demanding discipline equal a “slave owners mentality”? And heaven forbid someone be called a retard and a bible being passed out. Oh the horror.

 

[Rootmaster]

First: Vic K should have been wise enough to know there is a time and place to discuss political beliefs and bringing that divisive subject has ZERO benefits to team meetings. He should have known better then to initiate a conversation topic that can cause division or any form of it.. That fault resides squarely on his shoulders. That has no place in that environment, it truly hinders growth and the ability to connect with his players on a deeper level to get maximum effort, optimal improvement..

Second: KM should have made every effort, including calling a team & staff meeting to handle any issues IN-HOUSE. Running to Social media with a problem, is bad optics FOR EVERYONE, a true Lose/Lose. However, if they had resolved the issue in-house, THEN posted resolutions+Outcomes to SM, this would have exuded the "Family" Solidarity & environment that HCNB has been pitching to recruits. When a single tweet can damage all the time, effort, this staff has put into building this program, I would think they would make every effort to ensure our Athletes feel they have options to initiate change that does not negatively impact the growth of the program.

Personally, Im disappointed with them both. They both made mistakes, a coach should know better, and a student athlete should be more thoughtful of how their SM actions can negatively effect the team or outside perspectives of it. This tweet storm, could seriously set the program back a bit. If our DC is perceived to be a Racist Trump supporter, as is the norm for the politically left, that is Vic's fault for making it known, and KM's fault for not being a man and handling it man2man, or as a team, as a unit, just like a family would.. Do these athletes know how potential employers view this? Its not good.. I would never want to hire someone with a history of airing out issues that should have been resolved in-house..

There are 1000 more positive & productive ways to resolve personal, employment, or managerial issues then running to SM.. Im equally pissed at Vic for bringing divisive subjects into team meetings, not wise, and not the appropriate time & place for such discussions.

All around the entire situation stinks, and I just hope its all resolved and does not hurt Browns ability to keep the program on a upward trajectory.

RACIST TRUMP supporter? Being a TRump supporter makes someone a racist? If you support Trump keep it quiet? Screw you *******. I guess we know that is you in the streets torching cars...looting businesses...and pretending like you mean anything. Democrats wanted slavery. Democrats seceded from the union. Democrats defined racism. If you truly believe your statement then F U. Trump 2020.

Kick out all the malcontent players and whiners. Eliminate all scholarships and let games be played by real student athletes.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

https://twitter.com/TomBraggSports?...forums.rivals.com/threads/vic-k.231316/page-8

 

[WVUALLEN]

Tom Bragg Retweeted

Kerry “KJ” Martin Jr.
@KMartinJr11
·
8h
This is 100% true. Coach Vic did visit me in Charleston to bring me food and as I said in my initial post he has done good by me and he is not a bad person but his thoughts and beliefs are mislead.

Tom Bragg
@TomBraggSports
· 8h
Spoke to Capital High football coach Jon Carpenter re: Kerry Martin's social media post and allegations against WVU DC Vic Koenning: "Neal Brown told me that [Martin] said I told him that somebody had a "slave owner" mentality. 100 percent no. I never told him that."

Tom Bragg
@TomBraggSports
· 8h
Spoke to Capital High football coach Jon Carpenter re: Kerry Martin's social media post and allegations against WVU DC Vic Koenning: "Neal Brown told me that [Martin] said I told him that somebody had a "slave owner" mentality. 100 percent no. I never told him that."

Come on Kerry leave your **** off twitter and meet like a man. Which is it? Is he racist or just confused? You can't have both.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

RACIST TRUMP supporter? Being a TRump supporter makes someone a racist? If you support Trump keep it quiet? Screw you *******. I guess we know that is you in the streets torching cars...looting businesses...and pretending like you mean anything. Democrats wanted slavery. Democrats seceded from the union. Democrats defined racism. If you truly believe your statement then F U. Trump 2020.

Kick out all the malcontent players and whiners. Eliminate all scholarships and let games be played by real student athletes.

First of all retard, you should go back to class and learn to read. Ill rephrase on a 5th grade level... : Its the norm for the politically left to perceive Trump supporters as Racist...

You are proof of how easy it is for a simple miscommunication to spark emotion, when it comes to politics. If you want proof of my views, look at my twitter feed. @StratMiller.

Yes Vic should have been wise enough to not bring a divisive topic, such as politics into a team meetings. If he wants to march and attend Trump rallies on his personal time, God bless him, but it has NO PLACE when the vast majority of these athletes are probably indoctrinated from a young age to believe Reps are for the Rich White man, and Dems are for the poor folk... In addition to being coached hard, if he thinks/knows Vic is a "Racist Rep"("just4U"), he may not take hard coaching very well, good intentions may easily be misinterpreted.

Politics, has NO PLACE in a locker room. This is proof of it. It nurtures divide and the potential for greater misunderstandings.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

First of all retard, you should go back to class and learn to read. Ill rephrase on a 5th grade level... : Its the norm for the politically left to perceive Trump supporters as Racist...

You are proof of how easy it is for a simple miscommunication to spark emotion, when it comes to politics. If you want proof of my views, look at my twitter feed. @StratMiller.

Yes Vic should have been wise enough to not bring a divisive topic, such as politics into a team meetings. If he wants to march and attend Trump rallies on his personal time, God bless him, but it has NO PLACE when the vast majority of these athletes are probably indoctrinated from a young age to believe Reps are for the Rich White man, and Dems are for the poor folk... In addition to being coached hard, if he thinks/knows Vic is a "Racist Rep"("just4U"), he may not take hard coaching very well, good intentions may easily be misinterpreted.

Politics, has NO PLACE in a locker room. This is proof of it. It nurtures divide and the potential for greater misunderstandings.

You can’t even do it on private time now if it goes against what social media and MSM is promoting (ex. Gundy fishing with his kids wearing a conservative news outlet tshirt), but if Huggs or Neal Brown campaign for Joe Manchin, it will be fine since he’s a Democrat.

Republican = racist (in this new social media era)

 

[Jason Voorhees]

You can’t even do it on private time now if it goes against what social media and MSM is promoting (ex. Gundy fishing with his kids wearing a conservative news outlet tshirt), but if Huggs or Neal Brown campaign for Joe Manchin, it will be fine since he’s a Democrat.

Republican = racist (in this new social media era)

People look to sports as an escape. They don't want to hear about politics. The majority of the Players in the NBA and NFL are minorities. If you want to have success you have to attract these players. Most of these players are not trump supporters and don't want to play for Trump supporters who are loud mouths. You don't have to change your politics to accomadate these people but you don't have to make them public. Neal Brown is being paid to win football games not to set public policy. So whether he is a Democrat or Republican is of no consequence Everyone has the right to their opinion but there is a time and place for everything. Im sure you would''nt want to play fo someone who called the corona virus the Trump virus.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Anything above 2nd grade would be a challange for root canal.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

People look to sports as an escape. They don't want to hear about politics. The majority of the Players in the NBA and NFL are minorities. If you want to have success you have to attract these players. Most of these players are not trump supporters and don't want to play for Trump supporters who are loud mouths. You don't have to change your politics to accomadate these people but you don't have to make them public. Neal Brown is being paid to win football games not to set public policy. So whether he is a Democrat or Republican is of no consequence Everyone has the right to their opinion but there is a time and place for everything. Im sure you would''nt want to play fo someone who called the corona virus the Trump virus.

This is college athletics we are discussing, not professional sports. What they do as a profession is up to them, however don’t say everyone is racist if they don’t hold the belief that blacks are systemically oppressed and that republicans are racist, and then cry foul when their professional league losses financial income through ratings, etc.

Neal Brown is being paid a bloated amount (as are all college coaches) to coach a public university in a sport of amateurs. If I were an athlete right now, I’d play for whatever coach has the best ability to bring out the best in myself to make a living after sports are over or the one who has the best ability to help me turn pro.

I could not care less if WVU doesn’t win another football game as long as they take a stance that just because a player doesn’t like a coach’s political belief, it doesn’t mean we are going to fire him to satisfy the social media mob. The university should take a stand on this.

My life wouldn’t change one bit if sports didn’t exist. My life doesn’t revolve around sports and it doesn’t “help me escape”. I can do activities for that.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

This is college athletics we are discussing, not professional sports. What they do as a profession is up to them, however don’t say everyone is racist if they don’t hold the belief that blacks are systemically oppressed and that republicans are racist, and then cry foul when their professional league losses financial income through ratings, etc.

Neal Brown is being paid a bloated amount (as are all college coaches) to coach a public university in a sport of amateurs. If I were an athlete right now, I’d play for whatever coach has the best ability to bring out the best in myself to make a living after sports are over or the one who has the best ability to help me turn pro.

I could not care less if WVU doesn’t win another football game as long as they take a stance that just because a player doesn’t like a coach’s political belief, it doesn’t mean we are going to fire him to satisfy the social media mob. The university should take a stand on this.

My life wouldn’t change one bit if sports didn’t exist. My life doesn’t revolve around sports and it doesn’t “help me escape”. I can do activities for that.

It doesnt matter if its college or pro. Politics do not belong in the locker room. I never accused anyone of being racist but like the op pointed out a good many of these players perceive trump supporters as racist.. Whether you like that are not you can't change their perception. There is absolutely no reason to bring these topics up in the locker room. They aren't going to help you win football games. Its about x's and o's not about democrats or republicans. Politics don't unify people they divide especially in a polarized country. If its not pertinent to the job then don't bring it up.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

It doesnt matter if its college or pro. Politics do not belong in the locker room. I never accused anyone of being racist but like the op pointed out a good many of these players perceive trump supporters as racist.. Whether you like that are not you can't change their perception. There is absolutely no reason to bring these topics up in the locker room. They aren't going to help you win football games. Its about x's and o's not about democrats or republicans. Politics don't unify people they divide especially in a polarized country. If its not pertinent to the job then don't bring it up.

Politics are not even the worst thing is these accusations. Kerry accused Vic of having a “slave owners mentality”. No matter where you stand on politics, you know that is extremely asinine to say and then say you think it because he was instilling discipline on players that just happened to be black. Politics may not belong in a locker room, but decency as a human and a man should always belong in a locker room, and the athletes should be held accountable as well (considering they are students after all).

They want to be treated like men, then act like men. Also, these universities have failed athletes by not holding them to decent academic standards and letting them take bs classes. The university should be there to teach these men an education for the future that should be independent of politics and prepare them for employment outside of college athletics.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Politics are not even the worst thing is these accusations. Kerry accused Vic of having a “slave owners mentality”. No matter where you stand on politics, you know that is extremely asinine to say and then say you think it because he was instilling discipline on players that just happened to be black. Politics may not belong in a locker room, but decency as a human and a man should always belong in a locker room, and the athletes should be held accountable as well (considering they are students after all).

They want to be treated like men, then act like men. Also, these universities have failed athletes by not holding them to decent academic standards and letting them take bs classes. The university should be there to teach these men an education for the future that should be independent of politics and prepare them for employment outside of college athletics.

If Vic would have kept his mouth shut and just stuck to football none of this would have happened. This was an ongoing problem with this guy. It wasn't one statment it was an ongoing thing with this guy.

Martin, who is Black, said Koenning's ''exact words were, 'if people did not want to get tear gassed, or push back by the police then they shouldn't be outside protesting.'''

Martin said he spoke up right away and asked what Koenning meant but said Koenning ''couldn't give a straight answer.'' A graduate assistant stepped in to try to defuse the situation.

Martin said Koenning then asked him to stay on the call and ''wanted to apologize and give clarity on what he said.''

During a June 2019 workout in Morgantown, Martin said Koenning ''called me retarded for doing the wrong technique.'' Martin said he has family members who are mentally ill, ''and for him to say that hurt me because it was an action we could fix.''

During 2019 spring football practices, Martin said Koenning antagonized defensive back Derek Pitts ''for believing in something that (Koenning) didn't believe,'' Martin said.

Martin said Koenning then would discuss religion and the Bible in front of Pitts, who transferred last summer to Marshall.

Martin said Koenning found out last fall that Martin had converted his religious beliefs ''and pulled me into his office on multiple occasions and talked about religion.'' Martin said Koenning also has made him read passages from the coach's Bible.

Koenning also would discuss his views on politics during position meetings during the 2019 season, according to Martin.

In one particular meeting, Koenning talked about President Donald Trump ''and how he should 'build the wall and keep Hispanics out (of) the country,''' said Martin, who said someone of Hispanic descent was in the meeting.

Martin said he ''didn't want to bring negativity to the program but with everything going on and for him to still act this way and feel okay with saying what he said is not okay, Enough is enough.

''No, coach Vic is not a bad person and he does mean well in many (different) aspects but his heinous actions towards us overrules the good things he has done and many of us are uncomfortable with being around him.''

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

If Vic would have kept his mouth shut and just stuck to football none of this would have happened. This was an ongoing problem with this guy. It wasn't one statment it was an ongoing thing with this guy.

Martin, who is Black, said Koenning's ''exact words were, 'if people did not want to get tear gassed, or push back by the police then they shouldn't be outside protesting.'''

Martin said he spoke up right away and asked what Koenning meant but said Koenning ''couldn't give a straight answer.'' A graduate assistant stepped in to try to defuse the situation.

Martin said Koenning then asked him to stay on the call and ''wanted to apologize and give clarity on what he said.''

During a June 2019 workout in Morgantown, Martin said Koenning ''called me retarded for doing the wrong technique.'' Martin said he has family members who are mentally ill, ''and for him to say that hurt me because it was an action we could fix.''

During 2019 spring football practices, Martin said Koenning antagonized defensive back Derek Pitts ''for believing in something that (Koenning) didn't believe,'' Martin said.

Martin said Koenning then would discuss religion and the Bible in front of Pitts, who transferred last summer to Marshall.

Martin said Koenning found out last fall that Martin had converted his religious beliefs ''and pulled me into his office on multiple occasions and talked about religion.'' Martin said Koenning also has made him read passages from the coach's Bible.

Koenning also would discuss his views on politics during position meetings during the 2019 season, according to Martin.

In one particular meeting, Koenning talked about President Donald Trump ''and how he should 'build the wall and keep Hispanics out (of) the country,''' said Martin, who said someone of Hispanic descent was in the meeting.

Martin said he ''didn't want to bring negativity to the program but with everything going on and for him to still act this way and feel okay with saying what he said is not okay, Enough is enough.

''No, coach Vic is not a bad person and he does mean well in many (different) aspects but his heinous actions towards us overrules the good things he has done and many of us are uncomfortable with being around him.''

Be a man and discuss it. It happens all the time in a workplace. If you’re offended by the word retard, grow a spine. No one wants to learn how to just be a man and let things go or handle it the correct way. And the only people getting tear gassed and pushed by police were the looters/rioters. Peaceful protesting did not have these things occur, and they sure didn’t happen in WV. It was obvious which group Vic was commenting on.

None of these things you listed are even suspension worthy. Handle it like men behind closed doors instead of looking for sympathy on twitter.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Be a man and discuss it. It happens all the time in a workplace. If you’re offended by the word retard, grow a spine. No one wants to learn how to just be a man and let things go or handle it the correct way. And the only people getting tear gassed and pushed by police were the looters/rioters. Peaceful protesting did not have these things occur, and they sure didn’t happen in WV. It was obvious which group Vic was commenting on.

None of these things you listed are even suspension worthy.

Well Shane Lyons and Neal Brown did not feel the same. What about the Hispanic comment why didn't you mention that? Advice to all college coachs stick to coaching and keep your mouth shut.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Be a man and discuss it. It happens all the time in a workplace. If you’re offended by the word retard, grow a spine. No one wants to learn how to just be a man and let things go or handle it the correct way. And the only people getting tear gassed and pushed by police were the looters/rioters. Peaceful protesting did not have these things occur, and they sure didn’t happen in WV. It was obvious which group Vic was commenting on.

None of these things you listed are even suspension worthy. Handle it like men behind closed doors instead of looking for sympathy on twitter.

Gen mattis does not agree with your assessment on trumps tear gassing for his bible photo op. according to some highly ranking military officals these were peaceful protesters.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Well Shane Lyons and Neal Brown did not feel the same. What about the Hispanic comment why didn't you mention that? Advice to all college coachs stick to coaching and keep your mouth shut.

Mexicans are Hispanic. You shouldn’t be able to cross into the country illegally. It’s simple as that.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Mexicans are Hispanic. You shouldn’t be able to cross into the country illegally. It’s simple as that.

and this has what to do with football?

 

[spartansstink]

and this has what to do with football?

It's called the freedom of speech. If Vic Koenning wants to proselytize in those meetings that is his right just as Kerry Martin has the right to express his beliefs on social media.

At WVU, we aren't a football factory like a LSU, Bama, or Clemson. We have to sell something else to get the best recruits we can and that selling point is "family". Most of these men currently playing football will never play again after their time at WVU is over. That's where family comes in - its where you learn how to become a man under the tutelage of other men - when your dreams of NFL stardom don't pan out. In a family, you learn that diversity exists.

A diversity of views is how we grow as people. Its how we learn to question what we believe, learn and relearn from it. Today, we live in a vacuum where only one voice is allowed to be heard - the voice of the collective - and dissenting voices will be dealt with appropriately.

A lesson Vic Koenning learned yesterday.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

Gen mattis does not agree with your assessment on trumps tear gassing for his bible photo op. according to some highly ranking military officals these were peaceful protesters.

Those "highly ranking military officals" [sic] weren't on the ground either the night before when countless objects, including bricks and bottles, were hurled at Secret Service agents, or the day on which the protesters were backed off a block. People who were actually on the ground when the mob was moved back a block said that frozen water bottles had been thrown at Secret Service agents on the very same day. You're a hopeless imbecile, if you truly believe that the D.C. protests have been peaceful. There is tons of video footage out there showing not only the objects being thrown at law enforcement officials, but also punks--probably your relatives or friends--getting up in the faces of Secret Service agents, and screaming obscenities at them, as the agents remarkably didn't beat the **** out of them or escalate the situation in any way. Oh, and was the failed autonomous zone takeover a couple of blocks from the White House also "peaceful?" How about the burning of a church and a statue?

 

[Rootmaster]

Jv...have your mommy wash your black hoodie...your black jeans...your black mask...grab your crayon drawings on a stick and can of spray paint...find a liberal city to burn and pillage and get the f away from Morgantown . You are a waste of air...and a racist who wants to call everyone else a racist. Of course that makes you a perfect liberal Democrat progressive BLM suckup.

 

[5-Technique]

You can’t even do it on private time now if it goes against what social media and MSM is promoting (ex. Gundy fishing with his kids wearing a conservative news outlet tshirt), but if Huggs or Neal Brown campaign for Joe Manchin, it will be fine since he’s a Democrat.

Republican = racist (in this new social media era)

I think Fox can be considered a conservative news outlet although it's mainly their post 7pm pundits who are the more conservative voices. Calling OAN a news outlet is intellectually dishonest to me. Gundy wearing a shirt of that hootenanny is newsworthy in my opinion.

 

[Rootmaster]

I think Fox can be considered a conservative news outlet although it's mainly their post 7pm pundits who are the more conservative voices. Calling OAN a news outlet is intellectually dishonest to me. Gundy wearing a shirt of that hootenanny is newsworthy in my opinion.

Or rather wearing a Blm tee...spray painting
It on burned and looted buildings...attacking folks who question them...etc...is offensive and newsworthy even to cnn...msnbc...wapo..nyt...i would think.

 

[5-Technique]

Or rather wearing a Blm tee...spray painting
It on burned and looted buildings...attacking folks who question them...etc...is offensive and newsworthy even to cnn...msnbc...wapo..nyt...i would think.

Plenty of hypocrisy on both sides to go around Root

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Plenty of hypocrisy on both sides to go around Root

All of us are the victims

Instead of blaming each other and hating on each other.
Why not ask our politicians to stop with all this ********.

 

[Blackberry Smoke]

If Vic has to move on, which would be a shame, I hope we can get Blake Seiler back as DC..

This entire situation is always blowed up by SM. I truly do not see how it provides the optimal path for positive outcomes.

We all loved having a quality DC last year, and I realize sometimes there are things more important then Defensive metrics, and Vic def made a mistake by bringing those topics into his workplace, but even some of the allegations are already untrue. KM's HS coach is denying he ever said Vic had a Slave Owner mentality... In fact, hes saying the opposite..

This is why going to SM is not the optimal solution, it served to widen the divide. Call a team meeting, Call a unit meeting, if changes d not occur, threaten to post the issue to SM. In reality that would probably be all thats needed to source solutions.

Im saying he didnt understand how 1 tweet can ERASE years of work to build a program, to establish its reputation, etc... I would imagine Brown would do all possible to ensure players know they have a voice and can have input into the environment, to voice issues.. Thats how a family operates!

There are 1000 better ways to source solutions then running to SM, and there are 1000 better subjects to discuss as a coach then politics and religion.

Im a strong supporter of KM, and Im also a supporter of Vic, but placing him on Admin leave, was a missed opportunity for positive & quick resolutions. They should have called both parties together, and resolved this in a timely manner, then posted the solutions to SM, which would support the family narrative pitches by Brown.

Yep. Look at Oklahoma State. They resolved it within a day.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Plenty of hypocrisy on both sides to go around Root

I think the point is it is more socially acceptable to be hypocritical toward the leftist side of politics. You can be openly racist and/or anti semitic on the left and get glossed over like Omar and Farrakhan. You can wear a Che Guevara (sp?) shirt and be okay, but not a Robert E Lee. You can wear a shirt supporting BLM or ANTIFA, but not OAN or infowars. If you are on the left you are given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being hateful, bigoted, or criminal despite objective evidence to the contrary. If you are center or right, the slightest misstep will be magnified on all forms of media. And that misstep could be just being seen as "NOT caring enough" by not agreeing wholeheartedly with some far leftists precieved indiscretion.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Q

I think the point is it is more socially acceptable to be hypocritical toward the leftist side of politics. You can be openly racist and/or anti semitic on the left and get glossed over like Omar and Farrakhan. You can wear a Che Guevara (sp?) shirt and be okay, but not a Robert E Lee. You can wear a shirt supporting BLM or ANTIFA, but not OAN or infowars. If you are on the left you are given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being hateful, bigoted, or criminal despite objective evidence to the contrary. If you are center or right, the slightest misstep will be magnified on all forms of media. And that misstep could be just being seen as "NOT caring enough" by not agreeing wholeheartedly with some far leftists precieved indiscretion.

You are getting spoon fed ******** and then sent off to the polls.
Happens on both sides.

What is bad is that they are using this to turn people against each other.

There is a lot of just nastiness in regards to race coming from the right.

 

[Rootmaster]

Plenty of hypocrisy on both sides to go around Root

When boxed in progressive liberal ******** always use the "we're all in the wrong" mislogic. The fault of all the destruction going on lies 100% with the progressive liberal facists.

 

[5-Technique]

I think the point is it is more socially acceptable to be hypocritical toward the leftist side of politics. You can be openly racist and/or anti semitic on the left and get glossed over like Omar and Farrakhan. You can wear a Che Guevara (sp?) shirt and be okay, but not a Robert E Lee. You can wear a shirt supporting BLM or ANTIFA, but not OAN or infowars. If you are on the left you are given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being hateful, bigoted, or criminal despite objective evidence to the contrary. If you are center or right, the slightest misstep will be magnified on all forms of media. And that misstep could be just being seen as "NOT caring enough" by not agreeing wholeheartedly with some far leftists precieved indiscretion.

You make some solid points but as a fellow WVU supporter, I love you no matter what. To me, when I first heard of the rally in Tulsa and the day it was supposed to occur, it brought me back to Reagan's campaign event in Philadephia, MS. To me (maybe not others) that is indefensible. However, with that being said, I welcome other viewpoints and will try to keep an open mind, will not escape to my echo chamber and will listen.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

You make some solid points but as a fellow WVU supporter, I love you no matter what. To me, when I first heard of the rally in Tulsa and the day it was supposed to occur, it brought me back to Reagan's campaign event in Philadephia, MS. To me (maybe not others) that is indefensible. However, with that being said, I welcome other viewpoints and will try to keep an open mind, will not escape to my echo chamber and will listen.

In the Gundy case it was a guy wearing a shirt in his leisure time. What would be the backlash if Gundy had threatened to throw a minority player off the team for a pro ANTIFA social media post or seeing them in a BLM shirt on Instagram? You and I both know it would be jeered every which way it could and rightly so in my opinion. So where does it end? In 5 years a player could hear a coach listening to a conservative podcast or radio show and becomes offended. Just like with the statues, it will never be enough. Garbage like OAN and Infowars are not where it stops. Once they are out of the way, Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, Larry Elder, David Webb, Thomas Sowell will be the next things it's never okay to hear from. There will always be inequality in this world and that means the regressive left leaning idea that all inequality is due to inequity will never be satiated. You can feed it more juicy targets for a while, but eventually it will turn on you. So while there may be merit to Kerry's claim, this quickness to favor one side over the other at the outset to avoid the media mob and placate the side that is quick to throw temper tantrums is just wrong.

 

[5-Technique]

In the Gundy case it was a guy wearing a shirt in his leisure time. What would be the backlash if Gundy had threatened to throw a minority player off the team for a pro ANTIFA social media post or seeing them in a BLM shirt on Instagram? You and I both know it would be jeered every which way it could and rightly so in my opinion. So where does it end? In 5 years a player could hear a coach listening to a conservative podcast or radio show and becomes offended. Just like with the statues, it will never be enough. Garbage like OAN and Infowars are not where it stops. Once they are out of the way, Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, Larry Elder, David Webb, Thomas Sowell will be the next things it's never okay to hear from. There will always be inequality in this world and that means the regressive left leaning idea that all inequality is due to inequity will never be satiated. You can feed it more juicy targets for a while, but eventually it will turn on you. So while there may be merit to Kerry's claim, this quickness to favor one side over the other at the outset to avoid the media mob and placate the side that is quick to throw temper tantrums is just wrong.

Again, you make some good points but I think in that profession, coaching young and for the most part black men, he should keep his trap shut about his world/religious/ethnic opinions. To me, he shouldn't be fired for this and there should be some real heart to hearts with Martin and/or others who may feel the same way but again, it's just my opinion. I'm right about a lot in my life but I'm wrong a decent amount too. It saddens me when I hear so infrequently on this board and others that although a poster feels strongly about the particular subject matter, they rarely if at all say "maybe I am wrong". Let us, if not anything, try to consider other viewpoints as much as we may disagree with them.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Neal Brown has to sell WVU and Morgantown.

Like I said. I haven't made a decision yet because I haven't seen how Brown is handling everything.

Brown cannot sell a program with coaches who are alienating players.
To act like Brown is allowing his players to be weak..
Being a man is learning when to fight and what to fight for....

 

[Rootmaster]

So 5 tech coaching black men means being politically correct in all you say and do and treating these delicate flowers different than white athletes. So much for team unity. Kumbaya.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Not being a total dumbass.

Guy obviously wasn't smart enough to read through the ********

More than that he wasn't smart enough to not run his mouth about it.

 

[5-Technique]

So 5 tech coaching black men means being politically correct in all you say and do and treating these delicate flowers different than white athletes. So much for team unity. Kumbaya.

I hear ya Root but none of us know what was really said. Martin himself paraphrased what was said. Maybe it was worse than what was tweeted about? I don't really know because I wasn't there. I like Koenning as a coach (from afar) but I don't know the man. It will be handled by the people with authority and that will be that. It won't change my interest or passion for WVU either way so either figure out his buyout or get the two of them to hug it out, either way, get it done.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Again, you make some good points but I think in that profession, coaching young and for the most part black men, he should keep his trap shut about his world/religious/ethnic opinions. To me, he shouldn't be fired for this and there should be some real heart to hearts with Martin and/or others who may feel the same way but again, it's just my opinion. I'm right about a lot in my life but I'm wrong a decent amount too. It saddens me when I hear so infrequently on this board and others that although a poster feels strongly about the particular subject matter, they rarely if at all say "maybe I am wrong". Let us, if not anything, try to consider other viewpoints as much as we may disagree with them.

I understand that as well. I think that being in a position of authority does mean Vic should hold himself to a higher standard. Neutrality is the best. I also see how it's hard to do when others are encouraged NOT to remain neutral, and more over encouraged to take a stance against what you believe. Being told you think like a slave holder is a pretty nasty claim and those that use it should be damn sure it fits. Not just use it because they are unhappy for other reasons or because a trifling thing can be twisted to somewhat fit the bill.

The standard should be equal across the board regardless of race, creed, or political view point. If Vic must watch what he says to avoid offending black people with the team, then the reverse should be held in the same light. But it's not. Anyone can be pro left politics openly and no one else associated with the team, black or white, will be galvanized much by being offended or feeling unsafe. More likely they will be castigated as only feeling that way because deep down they are vile, vicious racists. Flip the script and even veiled, tacit reference to pro right politics will mean anyone, black or white, could claim hate speech, microaggression, or feeling unsafe and immediately be given mostly glowing press.

I'm not saying Vic didn't do anything wrong. I'm saying the accusation alone has him being treated in a way that wouldn't be fathomed if the shoe were on the other foot. He maybe guilty, and he may even deserve to be fired, but he definitely deserves to be treated fairly. Yet the insidious encroachment of the social media mobbing and those within the masses prone to protests that lead to raucous upheaval have WVU immediately jumping to what appears to be "we must find a reason NOT to punish" stance.