Wistrom
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you know I hate to jump on this entitled bandwagon thing for the younger generation - but there has been a significant shift in parenting and how kids then view things - it is not for the better to be sure
Right there is big reason Grant is the greatest!!
It seems pretty specific to the QB position. If you look at how some of these QB prospects are cultivated now, it makes a lot of sense.
Funny how we didn't have any problems with Tanner Lee or Noah Vedral and their loyalties or call them "entitled" when they came to NU.
Archie Manning did a great interview a while back, don't recall if it was Golic & Wingo or if it was the Chicago station I was listening to, but he talked about how these kids are groomed, recruited, and promised the moon from the time they're 7th and 8th graders as QBs. Archie said they started the passing academy when Peyton was in college because at that time a lot of QBs really didn't have anything like that to develop them. Most kids were still multi-sport athletes and they weren't spending all year every year training one position for one sport.
But they sure as hell are now.
I would compare it almost to Olympic hopefuls and how they move around if they don't think they're getting the caliber of training and opportunities to reach the kid's alleged potential. Hell, I hear all about the drama with youth and HS club teams and how "the good kids" all up and quit some coach and move to another team the next season.
If your kid moved around positions in HS and was pretty good by his senior year and now he's 3rd string at guard, that's one thing. If you've invested thousands into making him an NFL QB since he was 12 and 13 and was an Elite 11 kid, I get it. You're not going to have him sit at a school that just gave a kid the job because of his running ability to see if he can get his chance to break the mold if the starter gets hurt or sucks.
You're gonna find him a new school where the offense matches his training and his skillset. It's just different for QBs. Don't have to like it, but that's the fact.
People keep saying Martinez got the job because, "It's just different" when he runs the ball.
Gebbia can't go get on the grind and emerge next year as a gifted runner. You either have that or you don't. I thought the staff wouldn't place a huge premium on that but obviously I was wrong.
Grant had all the tools to be a great rush end, but as a freshman he wasn't big and strong enough or experienced enough to beat out two seniors in Jones and Harris who were grownass men. But he had all the skills and he was a match for the system at that WDE spot. They didn't turn him into a 5 tech and have him mush rush and 2-gap on every play and be like, "Whelp, maybe you should have wanted it more." when a guy who was a prototype 3-4 end beat him out.
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I think the QB's are just the most visible on this - I think its wrong for any player. I do understand the motivation and reasons behind it but there are two sides to this. I think given the impact on the current team if a kid wants to transfer then there should be some type of cooling off period before it is granted. If they did that then eliminated the one year waiting period at the new school, it would be more fair for all concerned.
Right now its just about the kid and not the teams
This NFL thing will hurt more kids than help them - The chances for Gebbia to be an NFL QB are pretty small
Yes, they probably are pretty small. But when you've spent what they have in terms of time and money, skipping prom and all that, you're not trying to wait around and see. Especially when the subtle message you're getting from the staff is "you're not fast enough to play QB here." When you're not a dual threat kid and there's only gonna be more dual threat kids coming, that's not something you look at from an unbiased angle and like his odds of winning the job in future years.
Do I think he should have stayed this year? Yes. Do I think he should have stayed after December? No.
The only thing I can counter with on that is. Vedral was already beat out for the job a year prior. Can argue he followed Frost here. Lee if I remember right got a new coach and transferred before any qb battle even took place. I don't think anyone is mad that Gebbia transferred. I think it is the timing that has people mad. If he would have transferred after Frost was hire, or after spring game. Or even after the year played out, I don't see people having as big of issue with it.
Did Wistrom tell Frost,
Frost: They want me to play DB so I am transferring.
Mr. Frost: Shut up, no your not. Earn your playing time.
Frost: OK
Frost: They want me to play DB so I am transferring.
Mr. Frost: Shut up, no your not. Earn your playing time.
Frost: OK
Nah, doubt he'd do that. Now, if it was Richie Incognito, he might.
Hardly the same situation.....
Coming in second vs position change?
Last I checked two DEs play during the game at one time and the backup gets considerable snaps each game.
Did he get on Vedral then?
Vedral: I miss Nebraska and I want to come home.
Vedral's Dad: Toughen up and stick with the decision you made.
Vedral: OK.
I hope the Vedrals don't get mad at me.
Is that the same situation?
not even close to the same situation but you do you
No sure of the specifics, but Vedral is a bad example for me. He is a Nebraska kid that I don't think got an offer from NU (don't know for sure). He is following Frost to NU and back in his home state. I could be off here, but his example is much different.
One thing's for sure, Gebbia will never face the gauntlet where he ends up like what Frost faced going back to Nebraska. Talk about wanting to run into a hornets nest, especially with these guys waiting for you:
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You can make them the same or you can make them different. The point was that he is attempting to emasculate a college kid for making a decision that he has every right to make. To me, it's a bad look.
Yeah, I don't disagree, just more stating there is a lot of conversation about Vedrals transfer. Either way, transfers have always happened, and it is going to continue to happen. I guess we will have topics to discuss for millennia to come.
From all accounts, something like that when Frost came back to NU. They made life miserable for him and made him earn their respect.
Pleanty of people are mad he transferred, as is Grant. Beavs post is well done and explains, clearly, the differences. I understand the timing issue bothering some, but he seemingly played the hand that was dealt to him ... so be it. Not to mention that there were transfers and qb’s threatening to leave, and leaving, even in Grant’s day.
I see this side of it 100% If he/ his dads whole purpose since birth was to be in the NFL, then yes transferring to a school that fits your skill set makes sense. However, Gebbia and his dad had to have known way back when Frost was hired that Gebbia did not fit what Frost was looking for. Similar to what Tanner Lee did, transfer right when the coach was hired. Don't wait around through spring, don't wait around during a QB battle. Transfer, when you knew your skill set didn't fit the coach. He didn't. So he honestly believed he could be the guy, when he didn't get what he wanted, then and only then he chose to leave. Like I said, I don't fault the kid for wanting to transfer to maximize his chances of play and go to the NFL. I know it is me first day and age, but he and his Dad could of handled it much better for all parties involved.
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Classic case of "fool me once, shame on you."
They believed him when they said they weren't going to give a big advantage to a kid just because he can run.
They knew not to believe him about having plans to play both of them or it being all about the decision-making.
Agree, we don't know what Frost and the other coaches said to him. If they were stringing him along, then yes shame on them for not telling him the truth and letting him go right away.
All the Millennial bashing gets old. You see this in the media all the time, reporting on Tide Pods and other stuff that isn't actually happening.
I've worked on college campuses since 1999. I've had countless student workers report to me, and countless more working in my department.
In 20 years, NOTHING has changed about young people. At all. You have some who are highly motivated, capable of completing tasks with minimal instruction, and you have others who do a half-assed job of something until they are fired. This has always been true.
The other day I read a story about soldiers in World War II. This is the "Greatest Generation" that worked in unison to win the war and keep the world safe for Democracy. It is not widely published that the United States military had 50,000 soldiers desert during the war. Almost exclusively in the European theater, where there were 1.2 million front-line combat soldiers (there was nowhere to desert to for soldiers in the Pacific).
The point being, no matter how great the cause, some people just aren't going to buy into it, and will look for an exit. It's human nature, and has nothing to do with one generation or another.
I've worked on college campuses since 1999. I've had countless student workers report to me, and countless more working in my department.
In 20 years, NOTHING has changed about young people. At all. You have some who are highly motivated, capable of completing tasks with minimal instruction, and you have others who do a half-assed job of something until they are fired. This has always been true.
The other day I read a story about soldiers in World War II. This is the "Greatest Generation" that worked in unison to win the war and keep the world safe for Democracy. It is not widely published that the United States military had 50,000 soldiers desert during the war. Almost exclusively in the European theater, where there were 1.2 million front-line combat soldiers (there was nowhere to desert to for soldiers in the Pacific).
The point being, no matter how great the cause, some people just aren't going to buy into it, and will look for an exit. It's human nature, and has nothing to do with one generation or another.
Frost could have been a super rip off the bandaid kind of guy and told TG in the Spring that it was very unlikely he would see much time as a starter at NU. Maybe some in the Fall, but once AMart got rolling at the psn, TG would don a headset. And who knows what kind of conversations were had. Frost didn't pull the trigger on a JUCO or grad transfer, so in a sense he made a bet that his QB room numbers would stand pat. And Gebbia appeared to be a team-first kind of player all the way up to this weekend.
Frost lost the bet. I doubt he'll make the same mistake again.
Frost lost the bet. I doubt he'll make the same mistake again.
That ability to run is a pretty huge deal on the football field.
While I understand your point, it's still not comparable to me. Vedral didn't participate in spring and fall camp, and then decide to leave when he didn't like his spot on the roster, one week before the first game.
I believe most people understand transfers, and the plus/minus effect they have on a team.
My disappointment isn't with what he did........but how he went about doing it.
I don't think you say I'm going to emasculate you. It just doesn't deliver. Wistrom was saying Gebbia ran scared from the competition. That is a form of emasculation. He didn't mention the timing of the transfer, just that he was running from the competition.
You didn't have a problem with him running from the competition, you just didn't like the timing.
I don't like the fact that Gebbia left, I just understand why he did and I can understand why he left when he did. I just don't see the need to call him out on social media.
Yep. They let it play out until the kid they wanted to win the job was able to win the job. They made their bed and now they get to lie in it.
They need 2 QBs this cycle now and they're in a REALLY tough spot trying to sell a JUCO or a grad transfer guy that he can come in and take the job from the freshman they anointed last year to space out their scholarships.
And he has every right to question the decision of that kid when it hurts the team.
Did I say he didn’t have the right? He just looks petty in my opinion.
I love Grant Wistrom. But its not an apples to apples comparison. He played defensive end at NU. When he he was a frosh he played behind SENIORS Donta Jones and DeWayne Harris. In his soph year he started with Jared Tomich. Backed up by freshman Rucker and Kelsay I THINK. ALL 4 got PT. His Junior year the same 2 deep . His Sr year Rucker gets bumped up to starter and I think Vandenbosch becomes backup.
All four years NU played 4 DEs during games. So as a backup you got reps in regular games.
As a QB barring injury you aren't getting reps . Barring injury as a back up QB you aren't getting reps.
I simply don't see how some don't understand this. You didn't lose out to a Jr or a Sr. You lost to a guy in your same class who is a perfect fit for this offense. If you wanna start you best look elsewhere.
I don't blame Gebbia. Sucks for us but I truly understand. I'd have done the same thing.
Imo it's like Troy Aikman leaving OU after competing with Jamel Holieway in Barry Switzer's wishbone offense( I know it didn't happen like that but that's the premise). Next year Gebbia isn't gonna be any faster more elusive or a better runner. Neither would Aikman.
If being a starter was your goal I completely understand why Gebbia left . As bad as the timing was for NU he did the smart thing for himself.
Holla
I think what Grant said could be a form of a lot of things........some constructive, and some not. To each his own to interpret as they wish.
However, my take on him asking his dad to transfer, and his dad saying (no, get back to work...) is completely about timing.
GBR!