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It’s the rotation that matters
if there is no foul trouble in a game
Ron -30
Geo -30
Paul -28
Caleb- 26
Cliff -26
Jaden -24
Aundre- 24
Agee or Reiber - 12
plays when foul trouble
Miller
Mag
deeper on bench
Palmquist
Nathan
if there is no foul trouble in a game
Ron -30
Geo -30
Paul -28
Caleb- 26
Cliff -26
Jaden -24
Aundre- 24
Agee or Reiber - 12
plays when foul trouble
Miller
Mag
deeper on bench
Palmquist
Nathan
I think beginning of the season will be: Geo, Ron, Mulcahy, Hyatt, and Cliff O starting 5.
By NYD 2022, starting 5 will be Geo, Ron, Jones, Hyatt, Cliff O.
By NYD 2022, starting 5 will be Geo, Ron, Jones, Hyatt, Cliff O.
I think we're on the same page. Jones may be one of our 5 best players, but I don't know if Pike starts him. Doesn't seem to be his style. Not sure who he takes a job from, though.
If he shoots well enough, he'll take minutes from somebody
Mag is going to surprise people this year. Think he breaks out and plays a good amount
I understand the coaching staff is very high on Reiber. They feel a full off season of workouts he didnt get last year will make a huge difference. We've seen big improvements from freshman to sophomore year before.
Jalen Miller and Jaden Jones should find minutes every night. Just waiting to see Aundre Hyatt, now more than 2 years off that knee injury, to hit that stride of being that Yeboah type player of 2 years ago.
Add that back up big man and there's a lot of layers of experience and some youth to mix into a development for the future.
Add that back up big man and there's a lot of layers of experience and some youth to mix into a development for the future.
Obviously Harper and Geo are our stars
McConnell and Mulcahy are our lunch pail types and we know what we get from them
Hyatt, Jones and Omoyuri have a world of potential lets say two of the three live up to that
And we only get one of Mag, Palmquist and Reiber to take the next step and become a major contributor
Then this is another absolute NCAA team again
McConnell and Mulcahy are our lunch pail types and we know what we get from them
Hyatt, Jones and Omoyuri have a world of potential lets say two of the three live up to that
And we only get one of Mag, Palmquist and Reiber to take the next step and become a major contributor
Then this is another absolute NCAA team again
I think McConnell will start and see significant minutes as our best defender.
In 19-20 it was a 10 man rotation. Last year it was 8.
If everyone is healthy next season I think we'll see an 11 man rotation but with a catch - Reiber and Agee (or another transfer big) will basically count as one. So a lot more like the 19-20 team.
Baker, McConnell, Harper, and Omoruyi will be in the crunch time lineup. The fifth spot is up for grabs between Mulcahy (needs to up his defense or shoot threes at a high clip), Jones (needs to show good defense or be overwhelmingly good offensively), and Hyatt (needs to show what he can do both ways). Could see some offense/defense sub patterns with Hyatt coming in for defense.
In 19-20 it was a 10 man rotation. Last year it was 8.
If everyone is healthy next season I think we'll see an 11 man rotation but with a catch - Reiber and Agee (or another transfer big) will basically count as one. So a lot more like the 19-20 team.
Baker, McConnell, Harper, and Omoruyi will be in the crunch time lineup. The fifth spot is up for grabs between Mulcahy (needs to up his defense or shoot threes at a high clip), Jones (needs to show good defense or be overwhelmingly good offensively), and Hyatt (needs to show what he can do both ways). Could see some offense/defense sub patterns with Hyatt coming in for defense.
I really agree with you ...but my question is ...at whose minute expense ? I can’t find minutes for him under my mpg without him legit jumping someone
having said that ...I see a 25 mpg role for him in 2022-2023....
Agree. He and Hyatt seem to be similar type players and Hyatt is ahead right now.
IMO, Jalen Miller has to play some minutes. He is the only fast guard on the roster and Rutgers will face many fast guards.
Marcus Carr is gone from Minnesota, Washington is gone from OSU...but, at times someone needs to guard the remaining fast, penetrating guards in the league like Curbelo or Wheeler. Baker, Mulcahy or McConnell are not staying with Curbelo for 32 minutes a game.
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A freshman guard is almost certainly not going to be a plus defender in the Big Ten
That’s the nature of college basketball. Look at Iowa. The difference is we also return a ton of talent with proven results in conference.
Harper was our best player for 40% of the season. Also we were a tournament team the year before and Jacob Young was really not good that season.
Myles was a terrific rebounder but as a team we were quite bad. There's more upside than meets the eye there, I think.
This is the optimistic case. Not necessarily the realistic case.
this is the same issue with mag. I really think he is good enough this year to play. But where is his minutes coming from? Who is he going to slice minutes from in my rotation to get a regular spot?
I think he is a 25-27 mpg in 2022-2023, but I can’t find regular minutes for him and see bike a depth for when someone is in foul trouble this coming season
I think it’s a sign of a good program that guys have to wait their turn ...
Like Montez Mathis ?
Like Ron Harper Jr as a wing defender? Or, is it only guards that can't defend well enough as freshmen to play ?
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But that doesn’t mean that the minutes that are available are filled BETTER by their replacements
see Eugene his soph year replacing
see Ron his soph year replacing Eugene
time will tell but I predict
-cliff develops and in different ways adds up to be an equal player in total than myles
-Jaden develops and in different ways adds up to be a close to an equal player than young
-Paul, Caleb, Ron and geo get better...which means more effocicnet on both ends even if the stats don’t go up
-and I think Hyatt is a big upgrade for Mathis ...mostly because we replace a swing man with a combo forward that we didn’t have with no Akawsi last year. Will help us be a better rebounder team
Points are the easiest thing to replace. I like what we are rounding into ....a lot
Can Mulcahy improve his ball handling when pressured, expand his offensive game, and make marginal improvement to his D?
Can McConnell improve his offensive efficiency and stay healthy for a full season?
Can Jones play D and rebound to Pike’s satisfaction to stay on the floor?
Can Hyatt find a role on the floor at the same time as Harper and Cliff?
Miller, Mag, Reiber, unknown transfer: Who knows?
Can McConnell improve his offensive efficiency and stay healthy for a full season?
Can Jones play D and rebound to Pike’s satisfaction to stay on the floor?
Can Hyatt find a role on the floor at the same time as Harper and Cliff?
Miller, Mag, Reiber, unknown transfer: Who knows?
Mathis leaving is a non event. Although he had some shining moments, I would also say he took many poor shots. His production is easily replaced and then some by Jaden Jones. I will say that both Myles and Jacob will be missed. However, I think that Geo will be a different player without Young and his point production can increase. Caleb will also get more shots. I’m interested in seeing what Miller can do as a true freshman. He reminds me of Curbelo and maybe we have a point guard who can penetrate and open up the offense. My biggest concern is replacing Myles. Cliff will need to take a major step forward in order to get us into the tourney again,
I agree with this Shack. Cliff has potential to be as good as Myles (in a different way). And Jones has potential to be just a bad a matchup problem as Young was (also in a different way).
Let’s remember we were outraged that Myles didn’t win B1G defensive player of the year.
No doubt Cliff is a huge key. It is almost a must for him to have significant improvement.
I am hopeful that someone will step up and surprise to the upside. There are enough candidates.
will Ron and Geo be better without Jacob’. Will Ron and Geo defend?
No doubt Cliff is a huge key. It is almost a must for him to have significant improvement.
I am hopeful that someone will step up and surprise to the upside. There are enough candidates.
will Ron and Geo be better without Jacob’. Will Ron and Geo defend?
Theres a chance if things break right, this team could be better than last year's team
Big Ten Coaches disagree. Harper 3rd Team, Geo Honorable Mention. But they’re not there for the hot takes. Can’t be Big Ten defensive player of the year if you’re on the bench with foul trouble.
Some forget Geo was playing through a high ankle sprain last yr. He could have a big year
We must watch different games. Myles easily has been our most valuable player the past 2 years.
Don’t underestimate the fact that two of our worst foul shooters (Myles and Mathis) are gone. On a team that shot 285-448 for 63.6% overall, Myles and Mathis collectively shot 63-130 for 48.5%.
So two of our four highest volume free throw shooters, who collectively took 29% (130) of our 448 FTs, but who only averaged 48.5% on those FTs, will be replaced by guys who will most likely shoot at a higher percentage from the line.
Granted, Cliff only shot 42%, but he has better potential than Myles to improve, as he has a nice form.
Agee was a 61% FT shooter at SJSU for his career.
Hyatt was 14-20 for 70% last season.
Jones and Mag will shoot better than Mathis.
So two of our four highest volume free throw shooters, who collectively took 29% (130) of our 448 FTs, but who only averaged 48.5% on those FTs, will be replaced by guys who will most likely shoot at a higher percentage from the line.
Granted, Cliff only shot 42%, but he has better potential than Myles to improve, as he has a nice form.
Agee was a 61% FT shooter at SJSU for his career.
Hyatt was 14-20 for 70% last season.
Jones and Mag will shoot better than Mathis.
Nice Shack, my thoughts added.
Ron -30 Only if he plays like in the beginning of the year or close to it. I think he will as he needs to showcase.
Geo -30 Needs to get his shooting percentage up or start decreasing significantly as the season goes on.
Paul -28 OK if he takes more threes and keeps at about 40%.
Caleb- 26 Like him but his shooting percentage was terrible. Unless he gets himself to the line a lot this number needs to go down.
Cliff -26 Real wild card, may still be raw, may have foul trouble.
Jaden -24 I hope this increases as the season wears on.
Aundre- 24 I have this gnawing feeling he will be one of our leading scorers and this number goes up.
Agee or Reiber - 12 Will probably need to play more, see Cliff comments.
plays when foul trouble
Miller Need to find a little time
Mag Need to find at least 8 - 10 minutes.
deeper on bench
Palmquist Has to hit threes to find some time.
Nathan May need to play a little against powerful centers.
Overall I would like everyone under 30 minutes to keep players fresh on D.
Not sure about that, I can see times when we have a ton of foul trouble early, like Cliff, Reiber, and Agee all have 2 fouls with 3 minutes to go in the half. This is where I see Nathan in just to hold the fort down until halftime. Other situations similar to this as well. < 5 min/g, but certainly meaningful minutes from time to time.
Young put the team on his back in thd Maryland and purdue games in 2020. His performances the end of the last two seasons punched our ticket to the dance
A good balanced team, allows for players like Jacob Young, Myles Johnson and Montez Mathis to all have key roles on the last 2 years of NCAA rosters.....and at the same time, the staff has found pieces that don't do everything exactly the same way of the departing players, but enough to be successful as a roster.
A) RU now needs a to develop a role, for a player to be given some freedom to create and take shots (Young vs Jalen Miller and Jaden Jones) hopefully with fewer turnovers and more passing.
B) Reduce the workload of the dirty work asked of RHJ at the 4, to make him more effective (Hyatt in the Yeboah role in 2019-20 at the 3 to score when RHJ isn't on the court), mixed with likely some Agee at the 5, so the paint is cleared out to allow drives to the basket.
C) While finding more people to be able to expand into a bench scoring role of Mathis (Miller, Jones, maybe mixed with Mag)
D) And finding someone at the 5 who can score away from the basket & is able to score near the rim (Agee and Cliff both project to a role, RU has not had in the Pike era, a 4/5, who can shoot and score away from the paint).
This has the potential of a roster that can also rely at times on Geo Baker and RHJ, while developing others (Hyatt, Cliff, Jaden Jones, Mulcahy etc) into bigger roles leading into 2022-23, when RHJ and Baker depart.
Looks to me like 2022 recruiting in HS or via the portal after 2021-22, has a clear path of what we can offer, while not relying entirely on those recruits to replace Geo and RHJ once they depart.
A) RU now needs a to develop a role, for a player to be given some freedom to create and take shots (Young vs Jalen Miller and Jaden Jones) hopefully with fewer turnovers and more passing.
B) Reduce the workload of the dirty work asked of RHJ at the 4, to make him more effective (Hyatt in the Yeboah role in 2019-20 at the 3 to score when RHJ isn't on the court), mixed with likely some Agee at the 5, so the paint is cleared out to allow drives to the basket.
C) While finding more people to be able to expand into a bench scoring role of Mathis (Miller, Jones, maybe mixed with Mag)
D) And finding someone at the 5 who can score away from the basket & is able to score near the rim (Agee and Cliff both project to a role, RU has not had in the Pike era, a 4/5, who can shoot and score away from the paint).
This has the potential of a roster that can also rely at times on Geo Baker and RHJ, while developing others (Hyatt, Cliff, Jaden Jones, Mulcahy etc) into bigger roles leading into 2022-23, when RHJ and Baker depart.
Looks to me like 2022 recruiting in HS or via the portal after 2021-22, has a clear path of what we can offer, while not relying entirely on those recruits to replace Geo and RHJ once they depart.
There’s no question that we went through offensive droughts and the only one who was scoring was Young. This is going to be a different offense without him. Jaden Jones could become the guy we lean on.
If I can quote Brandt from the Big Lebowski, I would say, “well, at this point we just don’t yet Dude!” I think there was some tension in the locker room and that left for Oregon. Time to turn the page and let’s see what we’ve got?
What do you make of our rebounding dropping off so much last year?
To be clear I don't think it had anything to do with Myles. But there's room for everyone else to step up and Pikiell generally has good rebounding, even back at Stony Brook. With health and a deeper rotation I can see better rebounding as a team.
I'm less confident about replacing his rim protection.