With Favre in the HOF, where does he rank all-time?
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1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Manning
5. Favre/Marino
if i had to pick a favorite to watch from that group....Marino.
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Manning
5. Favre/Marino
if i had to pick a favorite to watch from that group....Marino.
Hard to say, he's up there obviously - in the discussion for best ever. Two best quarterbacks I've seen are Manning and Marino. Either would've excelled on any team. Montana, to use one example, had a very specific skillset. If he'd been drafted by any of several other teams - teams without Walsh, without Rice and Taylor and Craig and Lott - his career would've been quite different.
How many replies in this thread will simply "count rings"? Hate that. Marino never ran blocked or pass blocked. Never covered a kickoff. Never rushed a passer or played cover 2. Never coached a down. Yet it's his fault he never won a ring. Same re Brady and Montana in reverse.
Favre is top 10, that's about as specific as I can get....
How many replies in this thread will simply "count rings"? Hate that. Marino never ran blocked or pass blocked. Never covered a kickoff. Never rushed a passer or played cover 2. Never coached a down. Yet it's his fault he never won a ring. Same re Brady and Montana in reverse.
Favre is top 10, that's about as specific as I can get....
I still think Manning and Brady are 1A and 1B to me for GOAT. I'd put Favre, Montana and Marino for my Top 5.
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That's a pretty good list. Elway and Unitas are the first two names that come to mind for argument. But....I think Elway was in his 11th season or so before he finally had more TDs than INTs, and Unitas...different era, and I never saw him anyway.
For a guy that won a million rings, you never see Bart Starr mentioned in these threads. Farve was amazing, but too often he hurt the team trying to be a hero. Starr was just always the hero. For me, Farve is the second best Packer QB, and before it's all said and done, maybe the third best. Rodgers and the Pack are poised for a big year....
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1. Elway 2. Montana 3. Brady 4. Manning 5. Unitas 6. Marino 7. Aaron Rogers 8.Favre 9.Staubach 10. Otto Graham, Bradshaw, and others
Elway is the most gifted, he took terrible teams to Super Bowl, 49ers and Skins killed them. He singlehandedly took those teams.
Aarron Rogers is looked upon by every expert as the best in the game today, was 4-5 years ago when Brady and Manning were at high level. He is already better than Favre.
Elway is the most gifted, he took terrible teams to Super Bowl, 49ers and Skins killed them. He singlehandedly took those teams.
Aarron Rogers is looked upon by every expert as the best in the game today, was 4-5 years ago when Brady and Manning were at high level. He is already better than Favre.
Have to get Unitas in there somewhere, and maybe Terry Brandshaw at around 7 - I mean the guys got 4 superbowl rings.
I'd say favre is somewhere in the 15-20 range as far as All Time QB's go. And I only say that because he was a turnover God. The interception king if you will.
Posted that before reading the thread and I'm glad others are on the same page as I as far as Favre's interception prowess. No way is he a top 5 or even top 10 QB:
Unitas career numbers: 290 TD, 253 Int
Bradshaw: 212 TD, 210 Int
Do you think Unitas is top 5? I never watched the guy play.
508TD to 336 Int
Sure he made some interceptions but he was a gunslinger. He was willing to take chances that a lot of QB's wouldn't. It paid off a lot of times too.
Really a difficult position to rank 'all time' as the game is so much different than it used to be. Before the 80s, most QBs threw about 25 times a game (unless playing catch up) - maybe 30. Nowadays, almost every QB (and certainly all on the lists above) throw upwards of 40 times a game. Almost every one of the QBs listed above go 4- and 5-wide down on the goalline and throw 2- and 3-yard TD passes. Bradshaw handed the ball to Franco in the same situation (or Rocky). Totally different game with different rules on playing defense.
Having said that, I'd take Montana over all the others. Always came up huge on the biggest stage. Clutch. A winner. All the others were HOF QBs and great but Montana stands out to me. Favre seemed like he too many times tried to do too much, forced too many passes, made too many questionable decisions. In his prime, he made the play way more times than not but he still threw way too many interceptions for his era.
Having said that, I'd take Montana over all the others. Always came up huge on the biggest stage. Clutch. A winner. All the others were HOF QBs and great but Montana stands out to me. Favre seemed like he too many times tried to do too much, forced too many passes, made too many questionable decisions. In his prime, he made the play way more times than not but he still threw way too many interceptions for his era.
He has a better TD to INT ratio than Elway, a guy that most people mistakenly rank above him.
yep, the point I was going to make.
Favre: 508 TDs, 336 INTs. 71,838 Total Passing Yards. Passer Rating 86.0
Elway: 300 TDs, 226 INTs. 51,475 Total Passing Yards. Passer Rating 79.9
Bart Starr has five NFL championships, two Super Bowls, two Super Bowl MVP's, multiple awards, yet is never mentioned in these discussions. All he ever did was win, and win big. There is a reason why Farve delayed his Packer retirement ceremony because Bart wasn't healthy enough to attend.
Probably because Starr played in a different era and left the game with 152 career TDs and 138 INTs. It was a different era for sure.