WKU Undefeated In The SEC????

[chuckster.sixpack]

Preseason SOS rankings courtesy of Phil Steel. You know a better source?

Post-season adjustments saw UK's SOS fall to 60th and the vaunted Hilltoppers jump from preseason 101 all the way to 99th. And that somehow helps your argument? Bravo. Interesting how you left that bit out when we both know you checked on it. Point me to all the CUSA teams in the playoffs and I'll listen. Better yet, point me to a single major bowl for CUSA teams and I'm all ears. Until then, go be a Topper fan until some school poaches Brohm and they return to being an also ran. I'm sure you'll find another team to pull for when they do.

So you are now agreeing that UK's SOS was indeed 60? What are you trying to accomplish with this debate other to prove that you know nothing about college football. Point me to the SECLeast teams in the playoff or a major bowl. It. Was. Awful.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

But the OP did say that WKU would dominate the SEC. That is the very point of this thread. The OP tried to troll this board by insinuating that WKU would go undefeated with UK's schedule. That is what is being disputed, not whether or not UK would, could or should beat WKU. I, myself, even admitted earlier in the thread that UK would "probably" lose to WKU this year, as would UL. I think if you re-read the thread you'll see where your argument is merely a tangent point to the main theme, hence your confusion.

Furthermore, WKU is winning games b/c they play in an inferior conference and against a SOS that was 95+ preseason and 30+ spots post-season weaker than that of UK's. Again, maybe you need to read the entire thread before commenting. This is the very essence of the argument, not your assertion that WKU's program is trending higher than UK's right now. No one is disputing that point. But, if you think WKU could turn UK's schedule into a bowl game or even better as Pedro and Pepe were boasting, I ask that you provide proof beyond mere speculation born of disgust or frustration with UK/Stoops.

It's all speculation there, sparky. But if you don't think that Western could get 6 wins against UK's weak schedule, then you know less about college football than I originally thought. Which was nothing.
Hell, they did the one thing that UK couldn't pull off - beat a terrible Vanderbilt team.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

Well, no wonder he knows so much about CUSA. Or the Big East. Or the Metro. Or the AAC. Or the ACC. Conference bastard schools like UL and WKU gotta stick together.

I also know a lot about the SECE. And it sucked.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

The stats say that WKU's PPG stats were not any more productive against SEC competition than UK's PPG stats. The PPG stats prove that. Anything beyond that is nothing more than pure speculation. 17.5 to 17. That's the facts.

Beep. Beep. Beep. Beep.

 

[Crushgroove]

So you are now agreeing that UK's SOS was indeed 60? What are you trying to accomplish with this debate other to prove that you know nothing about college football. Point me to the SECLeast teams in the playoff or a major bowl. It. Was. Awful.

Can you read? I realize you are a UL fan and so that increases the odds that you may lack in other facets of life like reading comprehension, so I'll type slower and use smaller words for you. There was a preseason and a post-season ranking of SOS, sweetie. Go back and try to catch up.

 

[Crushgroove]

I also know a lot about the SECE. And it sucked.

Sucked like Big East football or are we talking Metro conference? Just need a reference. And you'd know better than I would.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

Can you read? I realize you are a UL fan and so that increases the odds that you may lack in other facets of life like reading comprehension, so I'll type slower and use smaller words for you. There was a preseason and a post-season ranking of SOS, sweetie. Go back and try to catch up.

Not a UofL fan at all, but nice try. That's typically a Hail Mary when someone has been destroyed in a debate and they still want to get the last word in.

Here is what you posted:

"It's fun to speculate based on non-facts. However, we could actually hard info and speculate that if UK played the 101st ranked SOS like WKU did instead of the 5th ranked SOS like UK did, they'd have likely produced similar results to WKU."

So the "hard" info you were using was speculative data from some 4 months ago. As opposed to using data based on actual results. It wasn't until I called you out on your little straw man charade (loved the Phil Steele name drop - nice touch) when you tried to pull the ole beep, beep, beep routine. I've found in all my years of being around It, that some UK fans should stick to strictly basketball. I'll add you to that list.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

Sucked like Big East football or are we talking Metro conference? Just need a reference. And you'd know better than I would.

It was as weak as I've ever seen since the SEC went to the division format. And, yes, I would know better than a basketball only fan who took a wrong turn and ended up on the football board.

 

[Crushgroove]

Not a UofL fan at all, but nice try.

Here is what you posted:

"It's fun to speculate based on non-facts. However, we could actually hard info and speculate that if UK played the 101st ranked SOS like WKU did instead of the 5th ranked SOS like UK did, they'd have likely produced similar results to WKU."

So the "hard" info you were using was speculative data from some 4 months ago. As opposed to using data based on actual results. It wasn't until I called you out on your little straw man charade (loved the Phil Steele name drop - nice touch) when you tried to pull the ole beep, beep, beep routine. I've found in all my years of being around It, that some UK fans should stick to strictly basketball. I'll add you to that list.

Genius, they use the previous year's W/L record of opponents on this year's schedule to rate the difficulty of SOS for preseason. Go now and look at the link I provided so you can see for yourself. Do tell me what other criteria they should or can use to set preseason SOS when no games have been played. Now, the SOS changes as games are played and that rating changes weekly during the season and then is tallied at the end, hence your sited rating of 60 for UK. Both ratings are correct based on the time they were tabulated. I do realize this is difficult for you, but, do try to keep up. Use your fingers and toes to count if necessary. Where your sorry attempt at logic and discrediting me is falling on its face is that while you chose to recognize UK's ranking, you continually ignore the #100 SOS average for the team you're trying to fellate. You can't discredit UK's #5 or #60 SOS and then ignore WKU's #101 and #99 when trying to replace one team with the other. You have also been presented with the fact that UK averaged 17.5 PPG against an entire SEC schedule of 8 games and with the fact that WKU averaged less than that against only 2 SEC schools. Yet, you keep yelling about how much I don't know while failing to accept hard facts as evidence that you're wrong, no matter how much you want to be right. Tell you what, you stick to posting on emotion and hyperbole and I'll take the numbers. Think of it as sitting at the big boy table; you'll get there one day.

 

[Crushgroove]

It was as weak as I've ever seen since the SEC went to the division format. And, yes, I would know better than a basketball only fan who took a wrong turn and ended up on the football board.

Go right now and search the BB forum. Let me know when you find any post of mine outside of the UL hooker thread.

 

[jauk11]

A team that essentially tied EKU and lost to Louisville at home and LOST to Vandy? Those facts aren't helping your case.

And if the NCAA has UK with the 5th toughest schedule in the country, then they need to call the help desk. A quick check of two other sites has them at 60, which seems about right. Easiest schedule in years.

And you sure as hell aren't helping your case for claiming you are really a UK fan.

 

[jauk11]

I also know a lot about the SECE. And it sucked.

Is that it?

I thought you knew everything about everything.

So, the SECE is worse than the conference WKU played in, whatever that is. LOL

 

[NamelessOne]

Good morning, wageslaves.

Enjoy your X-mas Eve.

I simulated another season last night and after WKU blows out Bama in the SEC title game, Saban gets fired and they hired Brohm.

I have UK playing WKU and they always go 0-12.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

Genius, they use the previous year's W/L record of opponents on this year's schedule to rate the difficulty of SOS for preseason. Go now and look at the link I provided so you can see for yourself. Do tell me what other criteria they should or can use to set preseason SOS when no games have been played. Now, the SOS changes as games are played and that rating changes weekly during the season and then is tallied at the end, hence your sited rating of 60 for UK. Both ratings are correct based on the time they were tabulated. I do realize this is difficult for you, but, do try to keep up. Use your fingers and toes to count if necessary. Where your sorry attempt at logic and discrediting me is falling on its face is that while you chose to recognize UK's ranking, you continually ignore the #100 SOS average for the team you're trying to fellate. You can't discredit UK's #5 or #60 SOS and then ignore WKU's #101 and #99 when trying to replace one team with the other. You have also been presented with the fact that UK averaged 17.5 PPG against an entire SEC schedule of 8 games and with the fact that WKU averaged less than that against only 2 SEC schools. Yet, you keep yelling about how much I don't know while failing to accept hard facts as evidence that you're wrong, no matter how much you want to be right. Tell you what, you stick to posting on emotion and hyperbole and I'll take the numbers. Think of it as sitting at the big boy table; you'll get there one day.

One more time. Why would you use a preseason ranking when "hard numbers" as you like to call it are available now. You mentioned nothing about the #5 ranking being preseason until you were challenged on it - meaning someone had to point that out to you before you picked up on it. Glad I could help.

I don't spend much of my time thinking about WKU football in the grand scheme of things.. And just to put another internet myth to rest, I spend even less thinking about UofL football. Nor could I care any less about Western's strength of schedule (they can only play who they are scheduled to play) or ppg in two games played earlier in the season. Those are numbers pulled out of the air by a couple of Internet geeks who got their panties in a wad because people who really know football can easily see that Brohm has done a nice job there. I don't care at what level you are coaching, a 12 win season is impressive. The work he has done with his QB is remarkable - the same guy Petrino benched in his short tenure there. All that is easy to see for someone who actually knows what their watching when they watch the games.

But you stick to trying to play football analyst by the numbers. Vegas loves people like you.

 

[chuckster.sixpack]

Is that it?

I thought you knew everything about everything.

So, the SECE is worse than the conference WKU played in, whatever that is. LOL

Speaking of Internet numbers geeks, look who showed up to put words in others' posts. I'm guessing you are actually one of the few on the planet that can't see how far the SECE has fallen. I'm not surprised.

 

[jauk11]

It's hard to surprise someone who knows everything.

I can't understand how mitch missed you when he hired Stoops, were you too young then?

 

[rmattox]

IMO, wku would have beaten 3 of 4 ooc teams. They would have lost to ul. Obviously they beat Vandy; might have beaten Missouri. IMO they likely would have won 4-5 games vs. Ky's schedule. That does not take away from the remarkable job Brohm has done or how entertaining their team is.

 

[JC CATS]

That was last year. Are we comparing any year to any year now to make points?



Probably, but let's not use wins against UK and Vandy as a measure of a CUSA team's chances vs. the entire SEC. WKU would likely throttle UL this year, too.

Yes we are. Ky actually beat LSU in OT and LSU was ranked number 1