- Do you think a Conference with a Mix of both Public schools and Private schools could be feasible?
- I believe there once was a conference with both - if that is accurate...what happened to make it fall apart?
Would a Conference containing a mix of both Public & Private Schools work?
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It would work, but I'm not sure many public schools would be willing to add private schools to their respective conferences. I've read on here that Loyola looked into it in the recent past.
That's unfortunate (and yes I have heard that as well). I think from a geographic standpoint it would make a lot of sense for some CPS and CCL schools to be in the same conference (very close to one another).
I was/am thinking out load with this thread and for that I apologize. probably should have narrowed the focus of the thread before putting it out there.
With the public disclosure of the potential of the DVC breaking up (it's not official yet - but several papers have reported talks are under way). I was curious about the CCL conferences and the ESCC. Would any that are not an extreme distance from Naperville North, Naperville Central, Neuqua, Waubonsie, Metea - ever think about partnering up with a group of public schools?
Such mixed conferences already exist. Many have one private member with the rest public. The Big 12, Central Illinois, Central State 8, Northwest Upstate Illinois are a few conferences like that. There are more.
Then there are those conferences with multiple private and public. The Metro Suburban is one. The Northeastern Athletic and Three RIvers and Big Northern are some of the others. .
Who would you have in your "NIPPL" ?
On a side note - not too sure about the abbreviation, sounds like milk comes out of it
Interesting thought since I feel we'll see a separation of public and private sooner rather than later...
Boylan's enrollments has gone down roughly 200-300 students over the last 10 years. Outside of Football, Boys Basketball, Boys Baseball, and B&G Golf, the athletic program is somewhat average.
Never said they would kick anyone out....but separating public/private? If it gets to a vote it will pass.
The ball is totally in the IHSA (and its predominant public school members) court on this. If they want private schools out, they can get them out without directly kicking them out.
The IHSA can either mandate separate playoff classifications, which I personally would object to but some private schools may not, or they can enact some ridiculously onerous rules (like a 10 mile radius or a 2.5 multiplier or some such craziness) that will force the private schools' hands. If the IHSA were to do something that private schools would view as an existential threat, then I think that is the only way that private schools would leave and organize their own organization. Anything short of that, and I think the private schools will bend over further and ask the IHSA to give them another.
Though not a Catholic school, LFA is a private school, which fits into the conference similarly to other Catholic schools.
Edgy, two completely separate programs with separate governing bodies? oh wow...
I hope that never happens (sorry Ramblin) - but if it does.... I really really hope that the private school governing body and the IHSA both allow for crossover games for non conference. Kinda like IHSA allows out of state games "to count" within their system?
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If the IHSA mandates separate playoffs, but the privates remain under the IHSA umbrella, I wonder about mandates like the 30-mile radius rule. Many of the current restrictions placed on private school are in place to "level the playing field" with public schools. If privates were to no longer compete against public schools in the playoffs, there would be no need to "level the playing field", therefore one wonders if certain restrictions would be abolished. It would be interesting to see how that would play out.
Good point. What about public to private transfers?
My problem with separation within the IHSA is that the public school controlled IHSA would be governing and administering state championship series that do not contain public schools. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house!
Thus, kicking the privates out of all but one division where the publics make the rules is essentially kicking the privates out. And at that point, the IHSA becomes a quasi-public entity since all their revenue comes via public, tax-supported entities.
Yes, there are board members from private schools, but public school board members constitute a substantial majority. If they chose to vote along public school lines, they could enact whatever rule they want that doesn't violate their own constitution.
Imagine how public schools would react if there were public school championship series governed by a board that contained a substantial majority of members from private schools.
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What does quasi public mean? The IHSA is a vendor of services to schools. How are they any different from a school bus company whose only customers are schools?
What do yu do with a kid who is within the whatever mile radius and then his family moves outside that radius. If he still wants to go the school he originally went to would that make him disqualified to play there?
Public schools constitute a vast majority of the IHSA member schools. It makes fairly good sense to me that the board would be a public majority as well.
I guess what I don't understand is, IF they ever went to separate playoffs, why would the IHSA board (who would still have private school representation) want to make rules that would harm the private schools?
The whole public/private debate is basically about the private schools performance in IHSA post season championship tournaments.
I am not suggesting that there is anything wrong with the majority of the board representing the majority of the members.
Why is it that you don't understand the concern around public school board members in control of private school only playoffs? Newsflash: There is a substantial public school distrust and distaste towards private schools...and vice versa. Take the playoff related animosity out of the equation, and that animosity will simply transfer to something else like private schools beating publics in the regular season and keeping them from qualifying, or public school athletes transferring to private schools, or whatever.
Again, can you imagine if private schools were the majority and a bunch of clergy and other religious types were in control of public school playoffs?
So, after separating private schools out, preceded by success factors, multipliers, 30 mile radii, etc..., you just think it's a no brainer that private schools should let bygones be bygones?
Embarrassing? Rated by whom? Is it embarrassing if the 5A champ is rated lower than the 6A or 7A champ?
If a school bus company chose not to service a private school, the school could easily contract with another. But that's not the case with a state athletic organization.