WV Legislature

[countryroads89_rivals]

The House passed the bill to give the teachers the 5% raise. The Senate fumbles around, delays, stalls, then votes to send the bill to the finance committee. The finance committee changes the raise to 4% and the bill goes to the Senate. All 55 County Superintendents say 5% or we’re not opening schools back up. The Senate votes on a bill, intending to vote on the 4% raise but actually vote on the 5% raise and approve it and send it back to the House.

Now the dumbasses are trying to figure out what they are going to do.

What a **** show. Those Republicans sure can govern. Like bornaneer said, it’s a good thing we got those democrats out of power.

 

[dave]

The House passed the bill to give the teachers the 5% raise. The Senate fumbles around, delays, stalls, then votes to send the bill to the finance committee. The finance committee changes the raise to 4% and the bill goes to the Senate. All 55 County Superintendents say 5% or we’re not opening schools back up. The Senate votes on a bill, intending to vote on the 4% raise but actually vote on the 5% raise and approve it and send it back to the House.

Now the dumbasses are trying to figure out what they are going to do.

What a **** show. Those Republicans sure can govern. Like bornaneer said, it’s a good thing we got those democrats out of power.

Yeah. This is the republicans fault. Lets ignore who ran the **** show that got us to this point. Do you ever think before your fingers type out this nonesense?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Yeah. This is the republicans fault. Lets ignore who ran the **** show that got us to this point. Do you ever think before your fingers type out this nonesense?

To some degree, I actually agree with him. I don’t understand why they aren’t talking about raising property taxes to cover the salary increase though. Pass the cost off to the consumer instead of the mythical money tree.

 

[MikeRafone]

It's Caperton's teacher strike refried. A business man goes into office, thinks he can tell pols and state employees how to act and they'll jump like his employees in the private sector. It's a completely different game and the other side holds all the cards.

My Mom was a lifelong teacher and principal. She loathed the WVEA but participated because she knew who really buttered our bread. One point she used to make to me when dust-up's between the state and teachers took place was, "Notice they (the govt./Gov.) never include the school bus drivers in their cuts? If they did the entire educational system in this state would break down. School bus drivers control transport. No bus drivers, no students, no school in session. They know better than to mess with them." Jim Justice didn't get Mom's memo.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

 

[bornaneer]

The House passed the bill to give the teachers the 5% raise. The Senate fumbles around, delays, stalls, then votes to send the bill to the finance committee. The finance committee changes the raise to 4% and the bill goes to the Senate. All 55 County Superintendents say 5% or we’re not opening schools back up. The Senate votes on a bill, intending to vote on the 4% raise but actually vote on the 5% raise and approve it and send it back to the House.

Now the dumbasses are trying to figure out what they are going to do.

What a **** show. Those Republicans sure can govern. Like bornaneer said, it’s a good thing we got those democrats out of power.

I believe 4% or 5% is higher than any previous pay raise the WV teachers have ever been offered. As I said in the BL...I support most teachers and I have voted for every school levy that has ever been brought up. As for this current teachers work stoppage......They are reaping what they have sowed in regard to their pay and insurance.

 

[wvu2007]

I think most of America agrees that neither Republicans or Democrats can govern.

 

[dave]

To some degree, I actually agree with him. I don’t understand why they aren’t talking about raising property taxes to cover the salary increase though. Pass the cost off to the consumer instead of the mythical money tree.

I agree that it is a mess and I dont have a problem with issuing taxes to fix the propblem but teacher salaries and state employee salaries are a problem that way predates the GOP turning the state red. One of the biggest issues has been the state relying on coal severence taxes to pay a huge chunk of the budget for 20 years. It was a problem just for a coal production slowdown waiting to bankrupt the state. Now you have some hoping to use gas severence taxes to fund raises. Just pure stupidity.

 

[bornaneer]

There is really an easy way to solve this teacher compensation problem and fix the damn potholes......totally legalize betting,pot and prostitution. And NO...that's not a joke....I'm serious.

 

[MountaineerWV]

There is really an easy way to solve this teacher compensation problem and fix the damn potholes......totally legalize betting,pot and prostitution. And NO...that's not a joke....I'm serious.

Or tax guns like they do other things, like gasoline or tobacco.......problem solved.......

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I said it on the BL thread and asked every teacher there. What does the tax paying consumer of the teacher’s service offering get in return for the 5% increase in salary and benefit? I’m not opposed to increasing their salaries. Hell, if I thought it would make a difference I’d say raise it 20%, i’d Kick in. I own quite a bit of rental property in WV and pay a laughable amount of property tax compared to my primary residence. I need to see tangible offerings though. You get X% increase, what does that equate to in performance? X spot increase on the national educational rankings? X% increase in graduation rates? X% increase in standardized testing in STEM or hell, I’d settle for STEAM areas?

What are they going to do for the shekels? I have performance metrics I have to sign up for which determine my annual merit and bonus plan. Why shouldn’t they?

@Boomboom521 @MountaineerWV

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I said it on the BL thread and asked every teacher there. What does the tax paying consumer of the teacher’s service offering get in return for the 5% increase in salary and benefit? I’m not opposed to increasing their salaries. Hell, if I thought it would make a difference I’d say raise it 20%, i’d Kick in. I own quite a bit of rental property in WV and pay a laughable amount of property tax compared to my primary residence. I need to see tangible offerings though. You get X% increase, what does that equate to in performance? X spot increase on the national educational rankings? X% increase in graduation rates? X% increase in standardized testing in STEM or hell, I’d settle for STEAM areas?

What are they going to do for the shekels? I have performance metrics I have to sign up for which determine my annual merit and bonus plan. Why shouldn’t they?

@Boomboom521 @MountaineerWV

I’ll add to this, if you say you can’t performance metric at the individual level, why not do it at the individual school level, or district/county level? There has to be some tangible way to guage success, otherwise, you’re just giving money away to make the problem go away.

I’d honestly like some feedback from the educators here on why tying performance to school or country level wouldn’t work.

 

[EEResistable]

Or tax guns like they do other things, like gasoline or tobacco.......problem solved.......

Why guns?

 

[dave]

Why guns?

Because he isnt making a serious suggestion. He is a fukn joke.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

another self portrait...or is that your significant other?

 

[Keyser76]

I’ll add to this, if you say you can’t performance metric at the individual level, why not do it at the individual school level, or district/county level? There has to be some tangible way to guage success, otherwise, you’re just giving money away to make the problem go away.

I’d honestly like some feedback from the educators here on why tying performance to school or country level wouldn’t work.

Well first off it would mean we would keep the in state talent along our borders instead of losing them because of the higher pay in our border states. ****, I don't see how we retain any WV teachers in Keyser when they can immediately make 10K and more just by taking a job a few miles away in Maryland.

 

[bornaneer]

Well first off it would mean we would keep the in state talent along our borders instead of losing them because of the higher pay in our border states. ****, I don't see how we retain any WV teachers in Keyser when they can immediately make 10K and more just by taking a job a few miles away in Maryland.

Keyser ????? Are you blind ?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Well first off it would mean we would keep the in state talent along our borders instead of losing them because of the higher pay in our border states. ****, I don't see how we retain any WV teachers in Keyser when they can immediately make 10K and more just by taking a job a few miles away in Maryland.

I’m not sure how an average $2300 raise offsets the concern you listed.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I’m not sure how an average $2300 raise offsets the concern you listed.

It doesn't, but it's like the Trump tax cuts.......right? A little more money in the pockets is a good thing......or does that just work for anything Trump does?

 

[bornaneer]

It doesn't, but it's like the Trump tax cuts.......right? A little more money in the pockets is a good thing......or does that just work for anything Trump does?

Dah......why do you even post is beyond me.

 

[jjwv_mu_rivals]

I am a history teacher and coach. I've been in this field for 15 years. I live in WV but teach in KY. Before the raise, I was getting about $5,500 more to teach and coach here than those just across the Tug where I live. I passed the lines of teachers standing out in the rain and cold holding up their signs and sympathize with them. I'm glad they got their raise. It may not seem like much but $2000-$3000 is a lot for most teachers.

I'm afraid KY may be next. Not over pay, but over the fact that the governor has seen fit to try to break the law and change things that he cannot in regards to retirement and health care.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Dah......why do you even post is beyond me.

Why is that? Some posted on here that the new tax plan gave them a "few dollars" on their paycheck and you guys went nuts saying that's good enough......now teachers get a few thousand and you ***** about that? Typical......

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Why is that? Some posted on here that the new tax plan gave them a "few dollars" on their paycheck and you guys went nuts saying that's good enough......now teachers get a few thousand and you ***** about that? Typical......

Well, I’d say for starters, the tax plan allowed you to keep more of your own money that you earned.

Secondly, a point was raised that people on the boarder could make up to $10k more by just driving a couple of extra miles. Not sure how the $2300 offsets that as a concern. It’s certainly not going to do anything to attract outside talent.

How it relates to the individuals, I’m sure they happy. Many deserve it. Many don’t. Many deserve a hell of a lot more. I’d like to see a complete restructure of salaries with emphasis of salary placed on STEM. I’d champion a significant increase for STEM, but that wasn’t on the table. They went with a unified approach and I personally disagree with that. I want to incentivize and reward performance.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Well first off it would mean we would keep the in state talent along our borders instead of losing them because of the higher pay in our border states. ****, I don't see how we retain any WV teachers in Keyser when they can immediately make 10K and more just by taking a job a few miles away in Maryland.

So robbing Peter to pay Paul is going to fix the problem? WV is so backwoods.