WV Nursing home testing

[rog1187]

was listening on a call today where the topic of the ramped-up testing was discussed. Two things I took away from it:

1. A lot of the positive cases they are seeing in this older population did not have any symptoms. I would have thought with an older population that they would be the ones exhibiting the more symptoms than anyone due to their age and health.

2. Regarding deaths in this population three things impacting it - age and co-morbidities (we knew that one). Palliative care - a number (which was not given) of people were only receiving palliative care. So their outcomes were probably pre-determined once they caught any infection.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

A couple of days ago, Governor Justice ordered that all of West Virginia's nursing homes' residents and employees be tested for COVID-19. Jim should have told Trump about this order, as the MSM was crawling all over the Fed. Govt. yesterday for not testing more nursing home residents, but this is in the states' purview, as Governor Justice has proven.

 

[dave]

was listening on a call today where the topic of the ramped-up testing was discussed. Two things I took away from it:

1. A lot of the positive cases they are seeing in this older population did not have any symptoms. I would have thought with an older population that they would be the ones exhibiting the more symptoms than anyone due to their age and health.

2. Regarding deaths in this population three things impacting it - age and co-morbidities (we knew that one). Palliative care - a number (which was not given) of people were only receiving palliative care. So their outcomes were probably pre-determined once they caught any infection.

Are we finding cases among most of these populations? It is hard for me to believe this thing is just infiltrating nursing homes across the nation at a higher rate than the general public especially since nursing homes have been on lockdown longer than even the general population.

 

[tOSUGrad90]

There is a lot higher % of positives in nursing homes, due to the high number of the residents and staff being tested, and them living in close quarters.

 

[dave]

There is a lot higher % of positives in nursing homes, due to the high number of the residents and staff being tested, and them living in close quarters.

The virus has to get into a facilty that is on lockdown. If 2/3 rds of nursing home patients are infected already than so is a significant percentage of the entire population because there are few ways for the virus to get into a facility.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

The virus has to get into a facilty that is on lockdown. If 2/3 rds of nursing home patients are infected already than so is a significant percentage of the entire population because there are few ways for the virus to get into a facility.

Wouldn't it just take one employee?

 

[tOSUGrad90]

The virus has to get into a facilty that is on lockdown. If 2/3 rds of nursing home patients are infected already than so is a significant percentage of the entire population because there are few ways for the virus to get into a facility.

This may be true. It also might be very easy to spread throughout the facility by just one person infected, due to frequent contact and close quarters.

 

[dave]

Wouldn't it just take one employee?

Apparently just one employee at every nursing home in the country (the ones with outbreaks) and even then they are screening nursing home workers before thry enter so its not the same as just one random anywhere in society. Statistically it doesnt really jive to me unless there are a shitload of people who have or have had this.

 

[dave]

Something like 5500 cases of cv19 in New Jersey have been at long term care facilities.

 

[rog1187]

Are we finding cases among most of these populations? It is hard for me to believe this thing is just infiltrating nursing homes across the nation at a higher rate than the general public especially since nursing homes have been on lockdown longer than even the general population.

They didn't address that today from what I heard. They did say the nursing home industry was on this early on because of their population. They surprising thing to me was that the nursing home residents didn't have many if any symptoms either. So if they asymptomatic they were spreading it others because no one knew. Could be an asymptomatic employee or visitor that brought it in and it spread from there I guess.

 

[rog1187]

Apparently just one employee at every nursing home in the country (the ones with outbreaks) and even then they are screening nursing home workers before thry enter so its not the same as just one random anywhere in society. Statistically it doesnt really jive to me unless there are a shitload of people who have or have had this.

The question was asked could this have been here before January. The one speaker said it was possible but didn't go into much detail. It was more of an 'anything is possible' kind of response.

 

[dave]

They didn't address that today from what I heard. They did say the nursing home industry was on this early on because of their population. They surprising thing to me was that the nursing home residents didn't have many if any symptoms either. So if they asymptomatic they were spreading it others because no one knew. Could be an asymptomatic employee or visitor that brought it in and it spread from there I guess.

It would have to be an asymptomatic employee or resident. I think that is going to be more evidence that a lot more people will have been infected when all is said and done.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Apparently just one employee at every nursing home in the country (the ones with outbreaks) and even then they are screening nursing home workers before thry enter so its not the same as just one random anywhere in society. Statistically it doesnt really jive to me unless there are a shitload of people who have or have had this.

But they haven't been getting tested yet...and how quickly will they get the results?

Also, BTW, I'm not at all disagreeing with you that there may be a lot more people that have had this. Hopefully we can ramp up the testing on that.

 

[rog1187]

But they haven't been getting tested yet...and how quickly will they get the results?

Also, BTW, I'm not at all disagreeing with you that there may be a lot more people that have had this. Hopefully we can ramp up the testing on that.

I think they were going through a private lab (Lab Corp or Quest) and in that case results will be 24-48 hours.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I think they were going through a private lab (Lab Corp or Quest) and in that case results will be 24-48 hours.

BTW, how often will they check? One time deal? Once a week? Are they doing any antibodies testing?

 

[rog1187]

BTW, how often will they check? One time deal? Once a week? Are they doing any antibodies testing?

They didn’t address that on this call but they had an administrator on with Hoppy yesterday and he asked a similar question. I believe the answer was no more blanket testing. It was going to be a snapshot. Of course that can change. I think they would eventually do antibody testing on that group but they may hit the general public in a random way similar to NY first.

 

[dave]

But they haven't been getting tested yet...and how quickly will they get the results?

Also, BTW, I'm not at all disagreeing with you that there may be a lot more people that have had this. Hopefully we can ramp up the testing on that.

I dont think widespread antibody test is necessary. I think they can do group sampling in communities and get legit results.