WVU matched Kansas performance against Oklahoma State

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WVU scored THREE POINTS against the same Oklahoma State team
That gave up
16 to Missouri State
23 to Tulsa
20 to Boise State
20 to Kansas State
14 to Baylor
24 to Texas
24 to Iowa State
OK, the Cowboys held Kansas to 3 points. So does that make us
Another Kansas in the Big 12?
 

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WVU scored THREE POINTS against the same Oklahoma State team
That gave up
16 to Missouri State
23 to Tulsa
20 to Boise State
20 to Kansas State
14 to Baylor
24 to Texas
24 to Iowa State
OK, the Cowboys held Kansas to 3 points. So does that make us
Another Kansas in the Big 12?
How did Terry do yesterday?
 

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I guess Terry didn't win yesterday. The name Doc Spears means nothing to the average wvu fan just like Nehlen or Rodriguez won't mean anything a 100 years from now
 

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I guess Terry didn't win yesterday. The name Doc Spears means nothing to the average wvu fan just like Nehlen or Rodriguez won't mean anything a 100 years from now
Cause WVU has a ***** head coach that is nose diving the program faster than he can kneel for the diversity committee.
 

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WVU scored THREE POINTS against the same Oklahoma State team
That gave up
16 to Missouri State
23 to Tulsa
20 to Boise State
20 to Kansas State
14 to Baylor
24 to Texas
24 to Iowa State
OK, the Cowboys held Kansas to 3 points. So does that make us
Another Kansas in the Big 12?
Yep, the WVU offense is a joke. It's been a joke for years. It's been a combination of new scheme, lack of talent, and worst of all, an absolute mind-numbing display of decision making, playcalling, and roster choices that have had the typically objective to flattering play-by-play guys to question and criticize what is happening on the field for the last four games.

TV broadcast guys typically go with the approach of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." Sure, they'll critique a player's singular play, but hardly ever do they just call out a player's faults (beyond something benign like height or speed). And they've been ripping Doege apart!
 

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WVU scored THREE POINTS against the same Oklahoma State team
That gave up
16 to Missouri State
23 to Tulsa
20 to Boise State
20 to Kansas State
14 to Baylor
24 to Texas
24 to Iowa State
OK, the Cowboys held Kansas to 3 points. So does that make us
Another Kansas in the Big 12?
How did Oklahoma State do against ISU? You do know OSU is top 5 defensive team in NCAA RIGHT.

Stop comparing games like a dweeb. You sound foolish enough as it is by saying Bowden Built Akron into a power.
 

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Doege took one step forward and 21 steps back in two weeks. Greene’s fumble cost us the game. Why? Because Neal was not going to put him back in and we had zero chance with Doege.

I support all players and personnel at WVU. However Doege “not seeing it” has been an excuse for way too long. He couldn’t “see it” against cadets last year and Austin played pitch and catch.

I think it’s incredibly unfair to a back up that brings high energy to an offense. Yes he made a bonehead play fumbling the ball. He’s young. That will happen. Our QB1 missing receiver after receiver that would at least to go for a massive game, high probability of touchdowns, is inexcusable for a 5th year senior.

Neal has got to cut ties and move on with youth. I think Greene can get us two wins before the season is over. If he cannot, and will not, make those decisions, which he is paid for, that he needs to go. I have been 100% in support of him, but Saturday was totally inexcusable and that falls 100% on his shoulders.
 

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Doege took one step forward and 21 steps back in two weeks. Greene’s fumble cost us the game. Why? Because Neal was not going to put him back in and we had zero chance with Doege.

I support all players and personnel at WVU. However Doege “not seeing it” has been an excuse for way too long. He couldn’t “see it” against cadets last year and Austin played pitch and catch.

I think it’s incredibly unfair to a back up that brings high energy to an offense. Yes he made a bonehead play fumbling the ball. He’s young. That will happen. Our QB1 missing receiver after receiver that would at least to go for a massive game, high probability of touchdowns, is inexcusable for a 5th year senior.

Neal has got to cut ties and move on with youth. I think Greene can get us two wins before the season is over. If he cannot, and will not, make those decisions, which he is paid for, that he needs to go. I have been 100% in support of him, but Saturday was totally inexcusable and that falls 100% on his shoulders.
Had zero chance with Greene as well.
 
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Any coach whose team scores only 3 points is to blame because he's the CEO. Lowest offense yardage against Oklahoma State since 1912, too! Kansas State and Texas will be tossup games so Doege and Neal need their A game for both. If not, then Kansas might be a tossup. I NEVER thought I would type that!
 

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CFE lacks knowledge of team matchups. This WVU offensive line does not match up with a 4 man front. The left tackle can't block a talented DE.

Doege is not good enough to win this type of games on his own. Everything has to click.

The coaches are at fault for the poor preparation they had for this game. WVU was outmatched by superior staff and talented experienced team.
 

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CFE lacks knowledge of team matchups. This WVU offensive line does not match up with a 4 man front. The left tackle can't block a talented DE.

Doege is not good enough to win this type of games on his own. Everything has to click.

The coaches are at fault for the poor preparation they had for this game. WVU was outmatched by superior staff and talented experienced team.
Doege isn't good enough to win games, period. He doesn't elevate this team AT ALL. Receivers have to make incredible catches and gain tons of YAC to make his stat line look decent. He's not even a game-manager who gets out of the way and lets his teammates win games. He's a net negative. All ten players on offense need to step up their play to compensate for a 5th year senior, three year starting QB.

Just put Greene in for good. What's the worst that can happen? 0 points and 125 yards of total offense? Not much worse than last week.

As for the run game...****, they've sucked hard all year, too.
 

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Doege isn't good enough to win games, period. He doesn't elevate this team AT ALL. Receivers have to make incredible catches and gain tons of YAC to make his stat line look decent. He's not even a game-manager who gets out of the way and lets his teammates win games. He's a net negative. All ten players on offense need to step up their play to compensate for a 5th year senior, three year starting QB.

Just put Greene in for good. What's the worst that can happen? 0 points and 125 yards of total offense? Not much worse than last week.

As for the run game...****, they've sucked hard all year, too.
If that's the case then how did Doege defeat TCU and ISU? WVU matches up better against 3 man fronts because the Guard can then help the weak left tackle. TCU D-Line wasn't talented enough so their 4 man line was easier than OSU, who also happens to have the most experienced and talented defense. If the Oline is blocking and and run game is working Doege plays well enough to win games. If it doesn't work then Doege is not good enough to manage a ball game.

If you think Greene equals then you're sadly mistaken. Greene can't help but go backwards 30 yards at least once a game. He can't see over the top of the lineman and will suck worse. Put in Crowder.
 
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Doege isn't good enough to win games, period. He doesn't elevate this team AT ALL. Receivers have to make incredible catches and gain tons of YAC to make his stat line look decent. He's not even a game-manager who gets out of the way and lets his teammates win games. He's a net negative. All ten players on offense need to step up their play to compensate for a 5th year senior, three year starting QB.

Just put Greene in for good. What's the worst that can happen? 0 points and 125 yards of total offense? Not much worse than last week.

As for the run game...****, they've sucked hard all year, too.

LITTLE HARSH ON THE RUSHING GAME. ON MONEY OTHERWISE. LEDDIE BROWN IS AN EXCELLENT RUSHER WHO MAKES EXTRA YARDS WITH HIS SMARTS AND WILLINGNESS TO TAKE PUNISHMENT. WHEN LEDDIE GETS 100 YARDS, WVU DOES WELL. CHECK THE NUMBERS.
 

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LITTLE HARSH ON THE RUSHING GAME. ON MONEY OTHERWISE. LEDDIE BROWN IS AN EXCELLENT RUSHER WHO MAKES EXTRA YARDS WITH HIS SMARTS AND WILLINGNESS TO TAKE PUNISHMENT. WHEN LEDDIE GETS 100 YARDS, WVU DOES WELL. CHECK THE NUMBERS.
When Leddie gets 100 yards Doege throws for 300 check the numbers
 

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If that's the case then how did Doege defeat TCU and ISU? WVU matches up better against 3 man fronts because the Guard can then help the weak left tackle. TCU D-Line wasn't talented enough so their 4 man line was easier than OSU, who also happens to have the most experienced and talented defense. If the Oline is blocking and and run game is working Doege plays well enough to win games. If it doesn't work then Doege is not good enough to manage a ball game.

If you think Greene equals then you're sadly mistaken. Greene can't help but go backwards 30 yards at least once a game. He can't see over the top of the lineman and will suck worse. Put in Crowder.
Well, based on your first few sentences, Doege didn't beat TCU and ISU, the matchup, according to you, was in WVU's favor. TCU's d-line wasn't talented enough. Then you undercut your argument by admitting that when the rest of the offense if playing well, Doege has the ability to play well and to not lose the game. What about when one component of the offense is struggling? Does Doege have the ability to elevate the team? An easier question about a WVU player has never been asked. Of course not.

As for Greene being too short to see over the line to be useful....whoever recruited him and gave him a scholarship should lose their job immediately. Why sign a player to a position that he's too short to play? Did he shrink 4 inches?
 

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Well, based on your first few sentences, Doege didn't beat TCU and ISU, the matchup, according to you, was in WVU's favor. TCU's d-line wasn't talented enough. Then you undercut your argument by admitting that when the rest of the offense if playing well, Doege has the ability to play well and to not lose the game. What about when one component of the offense is struggling? Does Doege have the ability to elevate the team? An easier question about a WVU player has never been asked. Of course not.

As for Greene being too short to see over the line to be useful....whoever recruited him and gave him a scholarship should lose their job immediately. Why sign a player to a position that he's too short to play? Did he shrink 4 inches?
Kneel Brown recruited him ever since Greene was a sophomore in HS. Now he isn’t tall enough. 😂
 

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You have to make a change a quarterback. The playcalling against a really good defense, a very good defense, wasn’t bad. So many opportunities were missed. Not just the opportunities that were pointed out by Dan, but if you watch the film, way too many opportunities. Should not be happening with a fifth year senior. True freshman and sophomore, maybe. But not this late in the season with a frosh!!!!

He does not have it between the ears.
 
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Neal Brown, as head coach, has to take the blame. After all, his 1st 3 seasons are WVU are the worst by ANY Mountaineer coach in more than 40 years and the 2nd worst in 55 years! You can't overlook that. It's not that it's tough to win at WVU. It's that Neal is doing a worse job of it than anyone since Frank Cignetti! The numbers nail it. I sure hope for a 3-0 finish. But I'm not blind or stupid.