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dave

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I know if I was going to intimidate witnesses I would do it in a private meeting where there are supposed to be no audio/video but I am just a dumb hillbilly fro WV.
 

Mntneer

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We should be concerned that someone with clearance, and within those circles, is so willing to leak information like that. We should be concerned, but we won't be.

The crew here exemplifies the cross section of a nation that rallies around a strongman figure. Be they Italian, German, French, Venezuelan, Kenyan, Pakistani or what is apparently cross-cultural, American. Nothing they won’t excuse if the strongman is out “fighting” for their singular interests. They use the shield of patriotism & power until they are discovered for what they are—a minority of the population simply scared to compete straight up.

Oh Jesus Christ... now it's the "Trump's a Dictator like Hitler" line... :rolleyes:
 

dave

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We should be concerned that someone with clearance, and within those circles, is so willing to leak information like that. We should be concerned, but we won't be.



Oh Jesus Christ... now it's the "Trump's a Dictator like Hitler" line... :rolleyes:
Its just hard to take people seriously when they invoke Hitler for any reason other than winning the OT board.
 

Mntneer

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Its just hard to take people seriously when they invoke Hitler for any reason other than winning the OT board.

I remember the night he got elected. My liberal friends were convinced he was going to be locking up homosexuals and striping away rights from minorities.

It's getting just so fracking obnoxious.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I remember the night he got elected. My liberal friends were convinced he was going to be locking up homosexuals and striping away rights from minorities.

It's getting just so fracking obnoxious.
My favorite is the MAGA is a dog whistle for white supremacy. I always ask, “aren’t you an American? Yes? Then that includes working for you as well”
 

mule_eer

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Can I make another thing clear...while the DNI was very clear he is non-partisan he is an employee of the Executive Branch. Therefore he has to execute the policies of the President. If he doesn't like those policies he can resign..... that's the choice every Executive Branch employee faces. If you work at DOJ, the CIA, DOD...you work for the President.

Let me illustrate. I didn't like Obama, I didn't like his policies yet I executed those policies to the best of my ability. I had to testify to Congress on a particular policy of the Administration. Personally I believe it was (and remains) terrible policy..... but as an Excutive Branch employee testifying to Congress I informed them it was the policy of the Administration (the Obama Administration) and I would execute it to the best of my ability.....

You dont get the option to LEAK classified info because you dont like policy and stay in your job.....you don't like it and cant execute it you resign or shut up....
I don't see this as a leak. It was a report per the normal rules. Since multiple people are listening to those calls, as I understand the process, someone is likely to collate all of that information. I don't think the IG signs off on this report if info was passed illegally. I don't think the DNI says that everything was done by the book under oath if info was passed illegally.

I understand the balancing act between executive privilege and this investigation. I also think that the executive can't be above reproach. If executive privilege trumps all (no pun intended), then the executive becomes too powerful for other branches to check.

None of that is meant to say that this particular instance is a crime or impeachable offense. I'm speaking generally. I do have a problem with Trump saying that this report is essentially treason. I understand him being upset about it, but he should be able to express himself in a way that doesn't sound like a threat to someone who followed the correct reporting procedures.
 

~IRWT~

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We should be concerned that someone with clearance, and within those circles, is so willing to leak information like that. We should be concerned, but we won't be.



Oh Jesus Christ... now it's the "Trump's a Dictator like Hitler" line... :rolleyes:

Point one. This wasn’t leaked to the press. It was lodged as a formal whistleblower complaint and to the letter. This is exactly why the law is in place. Point two. Never compared Trump to a dictator (though he only wishes). I compared the mentality of the followers. Blame blame blame blame blame. When that doesn’t work blame some more. It’s like the man could “shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it.”.
 

Pospecteer

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You’re the “honey badger”. No matter what Trump does, you don’t give a ****.


Pretty good football player...thanks...but I only played one year of college football

 

Pospecteer

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I don't see this as a leak. It was a report per the normal rules. Since multiple people are listening to those calls, as I understand the process, someone is likely to collate all of that information. I don't think the IG signs off on this report if info was passed illegally. I don't think the DNI says that everything was done by the book under oath if info was passed illegally.

I understand the balancing act between executive privilege and this investigation. I also think that the executive can't be above reproach. If executive privilege trumps all (no pun intended), then the executive becomes too powerful for other branches to check.

None of that is meant to say that this particular instance is a crime or impeachable offense. I'm speaking generally. I do have a problem with Trump saying that this report is essentially treason. I understand him being upset about it, but he should be able to express himself in a way that doesn't sound like a threat to someone who followed the correct reporting procedures.

Trump is saying the gov. employees/contractors who spoke to the whistleblower could be spy like...that is what is going to be focused on moving forward, and they have a point. Like I said earlier, they are not considered whistleblowers.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Trump is saying the gov. employees/contractors who spoke to the whistleblower could be spy like...that is what is going to be focused on moving forward, and they have a point. Like I said earlier, they are not considered whistleblowers.
Unbelievable that distinction needed made. It was pretty clear.
 

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You can't unilaterally decide to share something even if someone has the same clearance as you....compartmentation exists within classification. The President's communications with world leaders is PRIVELEGED (please dont argue this with me its established law)......only the President can waive Executive privilege..... again I ask what if someone was leaking the contents of Jfk's diplomatic cables with the Kremlin as the Cuban Missile Crisis was ongoing....

The DNI only discussed the complaint in public after the White House waived Executive privilege. Whomever leaked to the Whistleblower violated rules of Classification, compartmentation, and Executive privilege.

Are so stupid you don't realize this damages ANY future Presidents ability to have secure calls with leaders of foreign countries.

All of this should have remained classified....
You don't need to tell him about clearances and compartmental classifications because KkuntryLawyer knows everything.......or does he/she/it ???
 

dave

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Unbelievable that distinction needed made. It was pretty clear.
Is it really that unbelievable at this point? How many of these people believe wholeheartedly that Trump formally requested Russia hack the DNC server to find Hillarys emails because he literally joked about it in a surprise presser?
 

Shirley Knott

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Is it really that unbelievable at this point? How many of these people believe wholeheartedly that Trump formally requested Russia hack the DNC server to find Hillarys emails because he literally joked about it in a surprise presser?
They all think Trump is serious when he makes those snide comments . Amazing when you read Trumps discourse and then read what the left/MSM tells us he said, 2 completely different sentences....
 

mule_eer

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They all think Trump is serious when he makes those snide comments . Amazing when you read Trumps discourse and then read what the left/MSM tells us he said, 2 completely different sentences....
I said that Schiff made a poor choice with his "parody". He needs to know time and place. It was inappropriate. Even if those comments were snide comments by Trump, know better than to go there.
 

dave

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I said that Schiff made a poor choice with his "parody". He needs to know time and place. It was inappropriate. Even if those comments were snide comments by Trump, know better than to go there.
I dont think he chose to do a parody. I think he thought he could flat out lie and the media would run with it and it would create a buzz and when he got called on it the "parody" response was just to CYA.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Is it really that unbelievable at this point? How many of these people believe wholeheartedly that Trump formally requested Russia hack the DNC server to find Hillarys emails because he literally joked about it in a surprise presser?
I can’t believe that was included in the Mueller report and a major lynch point in it.

I’m literally embarrassed for anyone who references that as a “aha” moment. It’s clear from jump street the left was going to use it though. I listened to the Harvard junket between the two campaign teams like a week after the election and they were jumping all over that one. I was sitting there thinking that liberals are enemies of sarcasm and humor I guess.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Don't you think it depends on why those people were talking to the whistleblower?
I’m not in agreement with this line of thinking for the record. I was just amazed at the need for the clarification. You can already see the leftist information machine trying to jump on it and how they’re trying to massage it.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I dont think he chose to do a parody. I think he thought he could flat out lie and the media would run with it and it would create a buzz and when he got called on it the "parody" response was just to CYA.
Yea, 100% agree. He wasn’t trying to parody anything.
 

dave

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I can’t believe that was included in the Mueller report and a major lynch point in it.

I’m literally embarrassed for anyone who references that as a “aha” moment. It’s clear from jump street the left was going to use it though. I listened to the Harvard junket between the two campaign teams like a week after the election and they were jumping all over that one. I was sitting there thinking that liberals are enemies of sarcasm and humor I guess.
It was a coordinated effort to use his words to create something that wasnt there. He delivered that line flawlessly. I mean he couldnt have done it better on SNL. He popped off the joke and even looked right into the camera with a trollface to the punchline and the left takes it and tries ti sell it as something sinister. When they question why I refuse to partake in their insufferable long winded point by points I look to BS like that and suggest that when serious discourse is really a goal, come see me.
 

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Unbelievable that distinction needed made. It was pretty clear.

Don’t do shady **** and you won’t have to worry about it. Not like they were spying for the Russians. They were huddling on some seriously unethical **** in an “official capacity”. You’re just supposed to turn a blind eye?
 

dave

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Don’t do shady **** and you won’t have to worry about it. Not like they were spying for the Russians. They were huddling on some seriously unethical **** in an “official capacity”. You’re just supposed to turn a blind eye?
Right. Nobody ever did shady **** before. This is all about setting up trump for impeachment. In the end Id bet money that Fusion GPS helped him write the complaint.
 

Pospecteer

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Don't you think it depends on why those people were talking to the whistleblower?

If the whistleblower truly thought there was wrongdoing, the appropriate action would be for them to convince the employee to file a whistleblower complaint as a 1st person witness. Not to be an investigator and become the whistleblower themself. They knew that 2nd info would not cut it, yet they went forward regardless.

It is obvious that they know the whistleblower statue in depth. The whistleblower says he/she had multiple interactions with multiple employees. They knew that the best action was to have them file multiple complaints. How is it that not one of them felt that it was appropriate for them to file a formal complaint? Maybe they were sacred? Used bias to embellish a story not thinking it was to become a formal compliant etc.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Don’t do shady **** and you won’t have to worry about it. Not like they were spying for the Russians. They were huddling on some seriously unethical **** in an “official capacity”. You’re just supposed to turn a blind eye?
I agree, Biden alleged corruption was seriously unethical.
 

TarHeelEer

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I dont think he chose to do a parody. I think he thought he could flat out lie and the media would run with it and it would create a buzz and when he got called on it the "parody" response was just to CYA.

Honestly, I think they forgot to rewrite that part after the transcript was released.