Young players not wetting their pants

W1LDCAT22

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This proves that we needed more "bucket getters" and playmakers, badly. Pope's offense, while great and effective, tends to hide the lack of playmakers, and probably a big reason he runs these particular sets. It is also evident that when a play doesn't yield an open shot, the offense gets very ugly because we do not have enough kids that can create. Another con to this type of offense is when shots aren't falling, what do we do then?

Amari Williams in ISO at the top of the key is painful. He has tried to break his man down off the dribble at least 4 times now in the 1st half. Not good!
 

ukcatz12

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This proves that we needed more "bucket getters" and playmakers, badly. Pope's offense, while great and effective, tends to hide the lack of playmakers, and probably a big reason he runs these particular sets. It is also evident that when a play doesn't yield an open shot, the offense gets very ugly because we do not have enough kids that can create. Another con to this type of offense is when shots aren't falling, what do we do then?

Amari Williams in ISO at the top of the key is painful. He has tried to break his man down off the dribble at least 4 times now in the 1st half. Not good!
People let the fact that they were happy to move on from Cal convince them this was a Nate Oats style juggernaut. It was pretty clear after the first two games the lack of athleticism and playmakers would be a problem against a high quality team.
 

bookerfan66

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People let the fact that they were happy to move on from Cal convince them this was a Nate Oats style juggernaut. It was pretty clear after the first two games the lack of athleticism and playmakers would be a problem against a high quality team.
Yeah we played great against 2 poor teams but reality is setting in.
 
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LineSkiCat14

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Just mad that Duke looks good with a bunch of young guys. That’s all.

They honestly might be the best team. Jay is right, sadly.

That, or our team that's comprised of mid-major type of talent just can't do much against them.

But I have faith that Pope can get his guys after a few years. We already will have more elite talent next year, than we have this year.
 
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W1LDCAT22

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On another note..

Most Surprising/Better Than I Thought:
Lamont Butler (really love his game)

Most Disappointing:
Jaxon Robinson
 

NociHTTP

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This proves that we needed more "bucket getters" and playmakers, badly. Pope's offense, while great and effective, tends to hide the lack of playmakers, and probably a big reason he runs these particular sets. It is also evident that when a play doesn't yield an open shot, the offense gets very ugly because we do not have enough kids that can create. Another con to this type of offense is when shots aren't falling, what do we do then?

Amari Williams in ISO at the top of the key is painful. He has tried to break his man down off the dribble at least 4 times now in the 1st half. Not good!
Pope runs the sets because that's the type of offense he runs, not because he doesn't have enough bucket getters or playmakers.
 

ukcatz12

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What you got to say now, hater? Conspicuously silent.
I stand by what I said. It was a problem in the first half and will be a problem against other teams that rely a ton on raw talent. The outcome doesn't necessarily change that. Pope will have to bring his A game every night against teams like that to make adjustments and to get our guys easier shots.
 

Wunky

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I stand by what I said. It was a problem in the first half and will be a problem against other teams that rely a ton on raw talent. The outcome doesn't necessarily change that. Pope will have to bring his A game every night against teams like that to make adjustments and to get our guys easier shots.

Good thing Pope HAS an A game, unlike your lover Cal.
 

ukcatz12

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Good thing Pope HAS an A game, unlike your lover Cal.
Lol I moved on from Cal a long time ago, unlike a lot of people here. But being excited for a new era shouldn't make legit criticism unwelcome. Pope did an amazing job assembling a team from a group of transfers and they looked very good in the second half last night. But they will get out-talented this year on occasion and it'll probably cost them a few games. Which is fine. They'll probably win a few they shouldn't with hustle, playing as a cohesive unit, and coaching.
 

chroix

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But they will get out-talented this year on occasion and it'll probably cost them a few games. Which is fine. They'll probably win a few they shouldn't with hustle, playing as a cohesive unit, and coaching.

If this is really your takeaway from last night you’re a hater. Sounds like you’re mad we won.

Lot of good posters here with some steamy hot takes. Should probably pin this one as a warning for future generations.
 
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The game thread was crazy in that first half but me myself I have that 90's feel to this team. We will be in every game this year regardless of what that halftime score says even if we're down.
 
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megablue

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This proves that we needed more "bucket getters" and playmakers, badly. Pope's offense, while great and effective, tends to hide the lack of playmakers, and probably a big reason he runs these particular sets. It is also evident that when a play doesn't yield an open shot, the offense gets very ugly because we do not have enough kids that can create. Another con to this type of offense is when shots aren't falling, what do we do then?

Amari Williams in ISO at the top of the key is painful. He has tried to break his man down off the dribble at least 4 times now in the 1st half. Not good!
Great points, I see it just as you do. I was surprised Duke even went out and picked him and Garrison up past the free-throw line. To his credit, Garrison did make a long shot from the top of the key. If we cannot get to the rim off the dribble, quality opponents will see that and tighten up their perimeter defense even more and make things tougher on us. We'll need better screening and cutting to respond.
 
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LineSkiCat14

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If this is really your takeaway from last night you’re a hater. Sounds like you’re mad we won.

Lot of good posters here with some steamy hot takes. Should probably pin this one as a warning for future generations.

I'll give a not-in-the-moment hot take that you probably won't like.

I'm not sure we win if Duke's 7 foot 2 monster doesn't get limited all 2nd half with cramps and knee issues.

I'm glad we made the right changes, and Pope did indeed adjust VERY well. We certainly played better and we got ourselves back into the game. But we ALSO looked like **** in the first half, and that does reside on the players AND coaching.

Let's be real, we got a LITTLE bit lucky there. If we were on the losing end of that game, we all know what we'd be thinking.
 

Ron Mehico

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I'll give a not-in-the-moment hot take that you probably won't like.

I'm not sure we win if Duke's 7 foot 2 monster doesn't get limited all 2nd half with cramps and knee issues.

I'm glad we made the right changes, and Pope did indeed adjust VERY well. We certainly played better and we got ourselves back into the game. But we ALSO looked like **** in the first half, and that does reside on the players AND coaching.

Let's be real, we got a LITTLE bit lucky there. If we were on the losing end of that game, we all know what we'd be thinking.


We’ve been on the losing end of that for pretty much 15 years. This is one of the first times as a Kentucky fan where I watched us win by being the clearly less talented team. Jaxson Robinson played like absolute ***, we looked completely out of synch, ton of turnovers etc and we fought and gutted out a win against a top 10 team on a huge stage. We were 7.5 pt underdogs. And it was extremely satisfying and fun and amazing. What a great job by the guys sticking together as a team and fighting. And if, in popes 3rd game, this is the type of heart and fight we can expect moving forward then look out college bball. What a great game,
 

megablue

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I'll give a not-in-the-moment hot take that you probably won't like.

I'm not sure we win if Duke's 7 foot 2 monster doesn't get limited all 2nd half with cramps and knee issues.

I'm glad we made the right changes, and Pope did indeed adjust VERY well. We certainly played better and we got ourselves back into the game. But we ALSO looked like **** in the first half, and that does reside on the players AND coaching.

Let's be real, we got a LITTLE bit lucky there. If we were on the losing end of that game, we all know what we'd be thinking.
You may be right. Even if we'd lost the game, I think it's clear that we have a good team, should improve, should have a good year and might make a nice run in March. It will be interesting to see how the team grows and evolves as the year moves along, no doubt.

We all know the big test will be when we struggle from beyond the arc, like Duke did. Then, what do we do and how do we respond ??
 
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LineSkiCat14

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We’ve been on the losing end of that for pretty much 15 years. This is one of the first times as a Kentucky fan where I watched us win by being the clearly less talented team. Jaxson Robinson played like absolute ***, we looked completely out of synch, ton of turnovers etc and we fought and gutted out a win against a top 10 team on a huge stage. We were 7.5 pt underdogs. And it was extremely satisfying and fun and amazing. What a great job by the guys sticking together as a team and fighting. And if, in popes 3rd game, this is the type of heart and fight we can expect moving forward then look out college bball. What a great game,

Agree 100%. And one could argue that Duke losing it's composure down the stretch and tightening up WAS because of our experience, our 2nd half resurgence, and Duke having a good deal of young players maybe not ready for this moment just yet.

I think the only thing I still want to see in this new era.. is maybe a little more talent. I still suspect that what will ultimately doom UK in the tournament, will be a team like Duke that has NBA talent almost across the board. BUT.. we're getting that level of talent as soon as next year, with guys like Lewis, Moreno, and Johnson. That's really it for me.. I saw enough last night in the 2nd half to think that Pope will be just fine as far as X's and O's, game management, etc.
 
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chroix

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I'll give a not-in-the-moment hot take that you probably won't like.

I'm not sure we win if Duke's 7 foot 2 monster doesn't get limited all 2nd half with cramps and knee issues.

I'm glad we made the right changes, and Pope did indeed adjust VERY well. We certainly played better and we got ourselves back into the game. But we ALSO looked like **** in the first half, and that does reside on the players AND coaching.

Let's be real, we got a LITTLE bit lucky there. If we were on the losing end of that game, we all know what we'd be thinking.

I’m not here to make excuses for Duke. We had our own challenges and overcame them. That’s what wins games.