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robEERt

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WhiteTailEER

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I really wish people would stop posting pictures of her. Besides, there's no way she's going to win.

Bernie Sanders threw his hat into the ring, so there is at least somebody else running against her now.
 

bamaEER

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I really wish people would stop posting pictures of her. Besides, there's no way she's going to win.

Bernie Sanders threw his hat into the ring, so there is at least somebody else running against her now.
I still think she wins with ease.
 

Keyser76

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It won't be with ease. She will win the poorly run states of NY, calif and Illinois. They will be asking for a bail out in the near future.
Ummm You are thinking of Kansas and Indiana , check em out and see how that trickle down bullsh*t is working there.
 

Airport

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Ummm You are thinking of Kansas and Indiana , check em out and see how that trickle down bullsh*t is working there.

They aren't in the big debt like the other states I mentioned. Ill and calif are in way over their heads with no hopes of getting out. Look at Chicago, really bad. All states are having a tough time with some exceptions. What happens when you have a socialist as the PResident who hates business, except when it benefits him. The economy should be much better.
 

moe

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They aren't in the big debt like the other states I mentioned. Ill and calif are in way over their heads with no hopes of getting out. Look at Chicago, really bad. All states are having a tough time with some exceptions. What happens when you have a socialist as the PResident who hates business, except when it benefits him. The economy should be much better.
 

Airport

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Socialism doesn't work and never has. A look at large cities like Chicago where they've promised the world and now they can't deliver. Trying to balance a budget and the teachers go on strike. How does that work out for Chicago?
 

moe

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Socialism doesn't work and never has. A look at large cities like Chicago where they've promised the world and now they can't deliver. Trying to balance a budget and the teachers go on strike. How does that work out for Chicago?
If over promising on pensions is socialism then you're onto something. I guess you don't like unions either but they're pretty common.
 

Airport

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If over promising on pensions is socialism then you're onto something. I guess you don't like unions either but they're pretty common.

Union popularity has gone way done. All pensons are in trouble. Pie in the sky. I include healthcare in there too.
 

mule_eer

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Union popularity has gone way done. All pensons are in trouble. Pie in the sky. I include healthcare in there too.
Pensions are in trouble because people don't want to fund the promises they make. Pensions aren't a huge financial burden until you stop paying as they accrue. Once you get behind on those payments, it becomes a problem. Now you owe current funds plus the funds you didn't put in plus the interest those funds would have earned. Do that for a few years, and the cost goes up dramatically.
 

Airport

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Pensions are in trouble because people don't want to fund the promises they make. Pensions aren't a huge financial burden until you stop paying as they accrue. Once you get behind on those payments, it becomes a problem. Now you owe current funds plus the funds you didn't put in plus the interest those funds would have earned. Do that for a few years, and the cost goes up dramatically.
I'm shocked that politicians promise things that they can't deliver on. I'm shocked. Politicians negotiating with people they want to support them, public sector unions, is never a good idea.
 

mule_eer

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I'm shocked that politicians promise things that they can't deliver on. I'm shocked. Politicians negotiating with people they want to support them, public sector unions, is never a good idea.
That's not just public sector. Private industry does the same thing. The only difference is that private industry is required to pay for insurance that is required for defined benefit pension plans, and they pay penalties for being underfunded.

This is the problem with the NJ pension system though. I would fault Christie for it if it were Christie's fault. You might be able to argue that it is to some degree, but the last 3 governors of that state have shorted funds to the pension system. Christie inherited a bad situation, but he's used politics more than anything to try to make it "better". Basically, he's trying to end the pensions because of the expense. The expense is because the government chose not to pay into the plan as pensions accrued.
 
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I'm shocked that politicians promise things that they can't deliver on. I'm shocked. Politicians negotiating with people they want to support them, public sector unions, is never a good idea.

It's not so much that politicians don't deliver on promises, it's the fact that they rob from the pensions to make up for a shortfall somewhere else and cause even bigger problems. A perfect example is Social Security.
 

Airport

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It's not so much that politicians don't deliver on promises, it's the fact that they rob from the pensions to make up for a shortfall somewhere else and cause even bigger problems. A perfect example is Social Security.
Imagine govt shorting it's responsibilities to further pad it's favorites. Color me shocked and why I say govt is the problem.
 

Airport

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That's not just public sector. Private industry does the same thing. The only difference is that private industry is required to pay for insurance that is required for defined benefit pension plans, and they pay penalties for being underfunded.

This is the problem with the NJ pension system though. I would fault Christie for it if it were Christie's fault. You might be able to argue that it is to some degree, but the last 3 governors of that state have shorted funds to the pension system. Christie inherited a bad situation, but he's used politics more than anything to try to make it "better". Basically, he's trying to end the pensions because of the expense. The expense is because the government chose not to pay into the plan as pensions accrued.
Wait till Illinois, calif and all the states that haven't done a decent job of maintaining their pension plans get to the point they need govt bailout. I only hope that it never happens.
 

Keyser76

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It won't be with ease. She will win the poorly run states of NY, calif and Illinois. They will be asking for a bail out in the near future.
Lol, pray tell me which Demographic Trump is doing better with than Romney? Trotting out the oversampling BS that dismayed the dimwits last time also, beat down will be epic, I know not one "intelligent" friend from either side who will pull the lever for that embarrassment.
 

Airport

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Lol, pray tell me which Demographic Trump is doing better with than Romney? Trotting out the oversampling BS that dismayed the dimwits last time also, beat down will be epic, I know not one "intelligent" friend from either side who will pull the lever for that embarrassment.
 
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They aren't in the big debt like the other states I mentioned. Ill and calif are in way over their heads with no hopes of getting out. Look at Chicago, really bad. All states are having a tough time with some exceptions. What happens when you have a socialist as the PResident who hates business, except when it benefits him. The economy should be much better.

I do allot of work in Kansas the state is a disaster and Sam Brownback is extremely unpopular among pragmatic conservatives.
 

Airport

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I do allot of work in Kansas the state is a disaster and Sam Brownback is extremely unpopular among pragmatic conservatives.

Shame, most states that have a conservative position usually are run better. What got them in such a state? What did they promise?
 

Airport

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Like Mississippi? [laughing]

Fiscally they are. usually the conservative states have to balance their budgets. Here in Va, McAuliffe just had to cut pay rasies because tax revenues failed to reach projections. That's due to the poor economy that DC has bestowed on the country. I would say all states are suffering from the Obama poor economic policies and then you have all the liberal states that keep running in the red and will be coming to DC with their hands out. Calf, Illinois are two for sure.
 
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Fiscally they are. usually the conservative states have to balance their budgets. Here in Va, McAuliffe just had to cut pay rasies because tax revenues failed to reach projections. That's due to the poor economy that DC has bestowed on the country. I would say all states are suffering from the Obama poor economic policies and then you have all the liberal states that keep running in the red and will be coming to DC with their hands out. Calf, Illinois are two for sure.

Arnold put California in a financial crisis. He's not a D. Florida, Georgia, NC and Connecticut are all in the Top 10 of states in the most financial crisis and have Republican governors. You need to re-think your narrative.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Arnold put California in a financial crisis. He's not a D. Florida, Georgia, NC and Connecticut are all in the Top 10 of states in the most financial crisis and have Republican governors. You need to re-think your narrative.
Arnold did? Surely you jest. He might have been at the helm when it happened, but that wasn't Arnold. That was the very progressive programs put in place long before he took office. I lived in Cali from 99-03 and again from 07-12. **** out there is unreal and unsustainable.
 

Mntneer

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Arnold did? Surely you jest. He might have been at the helm when it happened, but that wasn't Arnold. That was the very progressive programs put in place long before he took office. I lived in Cali from 99-03 and again from 07-12. **** out there is unreal and unsustainable.

I was there from 97-2000, and watching local news about state politics solidified my opinion that I would never live in Cali long term. Idiots run that damn state.
 

Airport

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I was there from 97-2000, and watching local news about state politics solidified my opinion that I would never live in Cali long term. Idiots run that damn state.
Didn't think country knew what he was talked about.
 

Airport

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So half of the top ten states with financial problems have Republican governors but Republicans fiscally run states better? OK.

Liberalism is the problem. You can't keep promising everything and expect to be able to provide it. That goes for both political parties.