Down 9 with about 3 min left. If the Zags lose, can Duke get that one seed without having to make run to the ACC Tournament Championship game? Just exploring all of the different possibilities out there.
Zags on the ropes
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I doubt it.
3 wins in ACCT = 1 seed, possible #1 overall.
2 wins = probably a 1 seed but may need some help.
1 win = 2 seed unless there’s a bunch of upsets with other possible 1 seeds
0 win = 2 seed
wow....they shot so poorly and looked sluggish with the tempo. Very strange....not as hyped to play St Marys as Duke!
Beat them by 48 in one of their games, and get held to 47 tonight.
We'll see. I still think we need to make it to the ACCT final to secure a one. Though Gonzaga may have shot themselves in the foot. 47 points against one of the most bubbalicious teams around? I wouldn't give them a one with literally only 1 good win.
Good. Sick of them stealing a one seed year in and out by playing in a majorly weak conference. Props to SM for beating them every 2 years or so.
Fewest Quad 1 wins of the top 1 seed contenders and lost their 2 games to the top competition for the #1 seed ( Tennesee and UNcheat)...so they should not get the top overall but i bet they get a 1 regardless
Nah, two loss Zags were our 2 in '15. 3 loss Zags? I don't think they get it. This was a terrible loss.
Exactly! At the end of the day, the Zags have only one quality win, and got held to 47 to a team they beat by 48 in one of their meetings. Duke has no bad losses( thank goodness for that one point win over Wake). Why I was kind of thinking just maybe we could grab that one seed without having to make a run in the ACC Tournament.
Gonzaga will be a #2 seed now. Outside of W/L their body of work is unimpressive. They were only a lock for a #1 seed because you can’t discredit a team for winning 20 straight games regardless of competition.
I think UVA and UNC are #1 locks now.
Failure to at appear in the ACC champ game will have us on the bubble for a #1 based on B1G, SEC and B12 tourneys. UK, MSU, Tx Tech — At least 2 of them would have to fail to win their respective conf. Even if Michigan beats out MSU, I wouldn’t hold my breath on them being a #2 - B1G is competitive and that could boost them. I don’t have a shadow of a doubt that we’ll be a #1 seed if we reach ACC champ game. Yeah - Our (healthy) body of work is fantastic, but you have to remember that a point of emphasis in seeding is how a team is CURRENTLY playing. Coming in hot with a major conference championship is a huge seeding boost. We control our own destiny and getting to the ACC champ game is imperative.
I like the idea of spending my Saturday knowing we are a lock and watching us play VS watching others and praying for a hiccup.
I think UVA and UNC are #1 locks now.
Failure to at appear in the ACC champ game will have us on the bubble for a #1 based on B1G, SEC and B12 tourneys. UK, MSU, Tx Tech — At least 2 of them would have to fail to win their respective conf. Even if Michigan beats out MSU, I wouldn’t hold my breath on them being a #2 - B1G is competitive and that could boost them. I don’t have a shadow of a doubt that we’ll be a #1 seed if we reach ACC champ game. Yeah - Our (healthy) body of work is fantastic, but you have to remember that a point of emphasis in seeding is how a team is CURRENTLY playing. Coming in hot with a major conference championship is a huge seeding boost. We control our own destiny and getting to the ACC champ game is imperative.
I like the idea of spending my Saturday knowing we are a lock and watching us play VS watching others and praying for a hiccup.
Their loss tonight ended their streak at 6 straight WCC Tournament Championships. Since 2000 overall they’ve won 15 of 20 WCC Tournament Championships and 18 of 20 WCC Regular Season Championships
Same dude... It’s like a broken record of history repeating itself. Destroy the inferior WCC schools, #1 seed, bounced 1st weekend.
Besides ‘17 but that was catered by Zona/FSU elimination luck that led to another mid-major (Xavier) in E8 and F4 matchup with an 8 seed that we should have bounced.
I tend to think of it this way....everyone is trying to win. Zion being back only means that it will be harder for the other team -- they're still going to play. Ask Gonzaga.
Not sure why you think UNC is a lock at no. 1. They are #7 in the Net and #5 in kenpom. They pretty much have to beat Duke again in the ACCT to be a lock. They could still get a 1 seed losing to us but it would take some other teams losing as well.
Moves us more to a lock than anyone. I actually think 3 ACC schools get a 1 now with Ut or UK getting the forth if they win the SEC IF not (which I’m sure they will) Gonzaga still gets one. This should help us but at the same time they’re the only team to beat us full strength
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They went 14-1 the last 15 games and are 16-2 the toughest / deepest conference. Yeah, we didn’t have Zion either matchup but they won’t be discredited for handling business.
Their performance in the ACC regular season is hard to argue against. If we blow them out with Zion in the tourney, I can see that blowout raising questions but barring a blowout - I think they’re locked, unfortunately.
I agree the Zags will probably be a one seed. Yeah, their conference stinks but they beat us with Zion and have been in the top 4 pretty much all year long. I think they'd need another loss like tonight to drop them to a 2. But they'll probably lose their cushy spot out west.
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I can't argue with that, but in this case I think they are both Gonzaga and Virginia's best teams.
But their not a lock. They are 7th in the net ranking and they would be behind duke amd uk or tenn if those teams make a run. I still believe when its all said and done it will be duke uva gonzaga tenn or uk
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I think their 1 status is no longer solidified it is vulnerable to being knocked off. If Duke makes the finals I believe they are a 1 lock. Virginia is a lock. UNC even if they lost to Duke has an argument to jump Gonzaga. It comes down to whether UK TN or Mich St can win their conference tournament. If yes I could see a scenario where Gonzaga falls. They can’t control their conference schedule but they also can’t complain if a team more battle tested throughout conference play jumps them.
The real question is if we beat UVA for a third time in the finals, do we get the overall #1 seed and go East now that Gonzaga won't be getting the overall #1??????
1 loss all year when fully healthy.
1 loss all year when fully healthy.
Probably.
But they shouldn't. No way they're deserving over at least 5 other teams.
Think about how ridiculous that stat(s) is for a moment. Wow!
sounds like its time for gonzaga to move out of that conference, utterly dominant over lesser talent
Houston is 4th in NET — So are you practically saying that if Houston wins the AAC that they are unpassable as a 1 seed? I’d probably fall right over if they got a 2 seed.
According to NET the Gators of Florida with an incredible 17-14 record are the 31st best team in the land. Texas (16-15) are 38th. 8th seed range. Neither team has any business watching the Selection Show this Sunday if you ask any logical hoops fan.
I understand the NET wasn’t your idea, it’s the committee’s new tool and it’s been shoved down our throat as the seeding protocol. So, I see your viewpoint. Personally, I will throw myself off of a bridge if the seeding follows the narration of that hot garbage.
Getting a #1 seed and bounced in/before E8 doesn’t necessarily mean overrated. March is wild, upsets happen... I get that viewpoint. But it’s the same story every single year with Gonzaga.
Let’s travel back to ‘04. They have that Turiaf kid and Adam Morrison is a freshman. #2 seed, bounced in 2nd game. ‘05 same exact story. ‘06 is Adam’s last year, All-American. I believe they were a 2 (3?) seed. Bounced in Sweet 16. If I remember correctly they make noise in ‘08 (‘09?) then get kicked in the S16. Fall back off. ‘13 or so this Olynyk kid comes off a redshirt and is an All-American. Like 1 loss all year, undefeated in WCC. Fail to make S16. ‘15 they’re the #2 in our region, we kick em to the curb in the E8. 2017 - finally (somewhat) their year. Luck out in their bracket with upsets and eat the cupcakes of March Madness all the way to the title game. The irrelevant years I don’t mention since ‘03 they failed to surpass the S16 as well.
I’m not sure if you blame the fake-hype on their conference competition or what... But the lack of success for all the attention they receive seemingly year after year just doesn’t cut it for me to believe in that program. An E8 or F4 appearance are both noteworthy regardless of the path but both of those instances were luck-driven by bracket busters.
You could be right. Honestly I think how they play against healthy Duke will decide their seeding. If we barely scrape the W, I think the committee will throw 3 #1 seeds to the ACC. Our conference is just so elite at the top and tourney teams below it, the losses only compile because we’re all forced to beat up on each other. On the other hand... If we knock the crap out of them, I think that’ll open the committee’s eyes on their worthiness of the seed. Given that their 2 reg season wins vs us were while unhealthy.
It’s all a guessing game lol
Gonzaga suffers from not being in an ACC-like conference. As a mid-tier powerhouse, they scream through till the tournament. Everyone else in their conference HAS to win to make it to the dance. I just won't be getting too critical of what the Bulldogs and Few have done with what they got.
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110% agree that they suffer from their conference. They play the schools of the blind 25 games in a row then get tossed in with the big dogs. Even when they legitimately have the talent to compete, they’re completely unprepared. I’m not arguing that it sucks and I think Mark Few has built quite the program at Gonzaga. Great coach. But regardless of who they are and what they got, the same storyline repeats. I may be hyper-critical, but when you show your face in the top of the polls year after year, well, I’m just ready to see something.
You have schools like Gonzaga, Xavier, Creighton, Wichita St, Utah, San Diego St, etc. Who manage to sneak in and snag a 1,2 seed and get launched before the first weekend is over or immediately following. Don’t get me wrong, it’s happened to all the major programs too..... But it’s a consistent path of failure for the mids. They’re wildcards. You can’t tell if they’re ACTUALLY good or if they’re just better than a bunch of schools nobody has ever heard of.
..... and even if they are good, the lack of competition the past 25-30 games has them doomed.