Zamar Wise / Prep School

[HeavenUniv.]

Question about Zamar Wise and other kids who go to a Prep School--once they arrive at a college, do they have only fours of college to play four seasons or are they still allowed to take a redshirt year and have five years of college to play four ? So,for example, if Rutgers had him appear in four games in 2020, could he still play in 2021,2022,2023, and 2024 ?

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

He would be the best QB on the team

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Proud, he may well be,but do you know how attending/playing years work with prep school kids ? And yes, I know I am putting the cart before the horse.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Anyone know this ?

 

[Yeah Baby]

Prep school kids get 5 to play 4

 

[mdk02]

Prep school he has 5 years to play four. JC I believe is 4 years to play three.

The real question is can he qualify academically after just the fall term and be an early entry or will he need the full year.

 

[chrisru99]

Prep school cost money? ASA or the like might be free. This is not a suburban white kid with money.

 

[mdk02]

Prep school cost money? ASA or the like might be free. This is not a suburban white kid with money.

A lot of prep schools have need based scholarships.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Mdk, that was another thing I was wondering about. For years, I have been hoping that some of the New Jersey county colleges would start football programs. --Not sure if Gallactica (sp?) is still around.

 

[chrisru99]

A lot of prep schools have need based scholarships.

May have and may not have. We don’t know the situation. This kid failed himself but along the way this kid got screwed. Inner city kids are going through adversities that many cannot comprehend. No one is paying a service 2G for a course on the SAT with this kid like many here are able to do for their kid or kids. It’s a different world

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Chris, I think this is the second or third time one of the Newark high schools gave kids wrong information about what was needed to play at an NCAA school. You would think ( and I doubt it would cost too much) that the NCAA could set up some kind of internet site where kids could type in what they have taken and will take and see if that is enough to make them qualified to play at an NCAA school and maybe even have individual school standards. Maybe the NCAA rules and standards are more complicated than I know. Just my two cents.

 

[cubuffsdoug_rivals]

Prep school he has 5 years to play four. JC I believe is 4 years to play three.

The real question is can he qualify academically after just the fall term and be an early entry or will he need the full year.

You are right about prep school 5 to play 4, but you're wrong about JUCO. If you're not qualified/passed standards set by the NCAA, then you go to JUCO. From there, after 2 seasons, you enroll into a 4 year school. The catch is you have 3 years to play 2. There have been cases where kids qualify out of HS but options are slim. If they go the way of JUCO, then they don't have to stay 2 years. Most leave after 1 year with better options. These kids now have 4 years to play 3.

 

[mdk02]

May have and may not have. We don’t know the situation. This kid failed himself but along the way this kid got screwed. Inner city kids are going through adversities that many cannot comprehend. No one is paying a service 2G for a course on the SAT with this kid like many here are able to do for their kid or kids. It’s a different world

To clarify, so DEFINATELY do. It's a question whether the school he attends does.

 

[Scarlet In Delaware]

I said weeks ago he was not coming here cut the rope from the raft to ship and let it sail. Bad luck for the kid but that's life. Hell some people are still waiting for the other 2 from Newark to sign.Could be 35 years old 5th years senior.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Wouldn’t be a major stretch that high profile programs have boosters or program sponsors who make sure bills are paid for prep schools and JUCOs for promising players. Prep schools and JUCOs are not directly subject to NCAA as far as I know. If the boosters and sponsors don’t help the athlete’s family directly, they could provide funds to the schools for “directed” scholarship purposes.

 

[mdk02]

Wouldn’t be a major stretch that high profile programs have boosters or program sponsors who make sure bills are paid for prep schools and JUCOs for promising players. Prep schools and JUCOs are not directly subject to NCAA as far as I know. If the boosters and sponsors don’t help the athlete’s family directly, they could provide funds to the schools for “directed” scholarship purposes.

Not to say it doesn't happen, but I believe it's a violation of NCAA rules.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

We need a New Jersey version of Coffeyville Junior College . lol

 

[NBKnight]

Question about Zamar Wise and other kids who go to a Prep School--once they arrive at a college, do they have only fours of college to play four seasons or are they still allowed to take a redshirt year and have five years of college to play four ? So,for example, if Rutgers had him appear in four games in 2020, could he still play in 2021,2022,2023, and 2024 ?

They will have five years to play four.

 

[Big East Beast]

We need a New Jersey version of Coffeyville Junior College . lol

We had a good connection w/Nassau Community at one point. I recall a few OL in the Schiano years but I wonder if that was because Flood was from LI.

 

[ouchmyknee]

It's all really a moot point because Wise will never step foot on this campus.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

It's all really a moot point because Wise will never step foot on this campus.

Which sux, he's a legit very good athlete

 

[realhoops2]

[YQUOTE="ouchmyknee, post: 3853526, member: 2670"]It's all really a moot point because Wise will never step foot on this campus.[/QUOTE]
You seem pretty sure

 

[JoeRU0304]

Wouldn’t be a major stretch that high profile programs have boosters or program sponsors who make sure bills are paid for prep schools and JUCOs for promising players. Prep schools and JUCOs are not directly subject to NCAA as far as I know. If the boosters and sponsors don’t help the athlete’s family directly, they could provide funds to the schools for “directed” scholarship purposes.

They have a reference chart for each division and a general booklet as well. His school’s Guidance Department should also be very familiar with it and be advising him along the way...I think either @vkj91 or @RUskoolie made a great point a while back that a number of kids seem to goof up their freshman/ sophomore years (before they realize they have the ability to go to the next level) and then try to make a gigantic push their junior/senior years when time is working against them.


Joe P.

 

[waretown]

Prep school cost money? ASA or the like might be free. This is not a suburban white kid with money.

why are you disparaging him as a poor inner-city child, do you know his parent's financials?

 

[Colbert17!]

We need a New Jersey version of Coffeyville Junior College . lol

Yeah the kids would go there and then Ohio St. or Alabama.

 

[vkj91]

They have a reference chart for each division and a general booklet as well. His school’s Guidance Department should also be very familiar with it and be advising him along the way...I think either @vkj91 or @RUskoolie made a great point a while back that a number of kids seem to goof up their freshman/ sophomore years (before they realize they have the ability to go to the next level) and then try to make a gigantic push their junior/senior years when time is working against them.


Joe P.

Sadly, this is quite common and many of the smaller and inner city schools have zero idea what the NCAA clearinghouse requires. They think as long as kids meeet NJ grad requirements they are good. This is not the case. That’s why I never blame kids for “abandoning” their town friends when they choose a Parochial school.

 

[RUskoolie]

Sadly, this is quite common and many of the smaller and inner city schools have zero idea what the NCAA clearinghouse requires. They think as long as kids meeet NJ grad requirements they are good. This is not the case. That’s why I never blame kids for “abandoning” their town friends when they choose a Parochial school.

They know the requirements. It’s ignorance. The requirements are put right in front of them multiple times. Colleges will send letters and pamphlets to players and schools nearly every year of what the NCAA clearinghouse requires. If you can’t do that then you don’t belong in college anyway. Their bigger issue is likely not taking school seriously until they discover they’re a D1 athlete and by then it might be too late. Thats no one else’s fault but their own.

 

[vkj91]

They know the requirements. It’s ignorance. The requirements are put right in front of them multiple times. Colleges will send letters and pamphlets to players and schools nearly every year of what the NCAA clearinghouse requires. If you can’t do that then you don’t belong in college anyway. Their bigger issue is likely not taking school seriously until they discover they’re a D1 athlete and by then it might be too late. Thats no one else’s fault but their own.

I’m all for personal accountability but you know as well as anybody your stance here is a little simplistic. How many kids in that locker room have zero parent oversight? How many 13 and 14 year olds without parental supervision make the smart choice over and over? I’ve told this story before but I know a kid who went to a parochial, couldn’t hack it and went to a “charter” school for a year before transferrring. Turns out the NJ approved charter school credits weren’t accepted by the NCAA and he was ineligible.

 

[sherrane]

Prep school he has 5 years to play four. JC I believe is 4 years to play three.

The real question is can he qualify academically after just the fall term and be an early entry or will he need the full year.

That would depend on the path the Juco took to FBS/FCS.

1. Juco signs with FBS/FCS school out of highschool. Redshirts and goes Juco for one season. The player has three years to play three. This used to be the path to transfer into the same conference (SEC and B1G).
   
2. Juco signs with Juco out of high school. Plays one season in Juco. Juco has four years to play three.
3. Juco signs with Juco out of high school. Plays two seasons in Juco. Juco has three years to play two.

 

[PSU_Nut_rivals17625]

Chris, I think this is the second or third time one of the Newark high schools gave kids wrong information about what was needed to play at an NCAA school. You would think ( and I doubt it would cost too much) that the NCAA could set up some kind of internet site where kids could type in what they have taken and will take and see if that is enough to make them qualified to play at an NCAA school and maybe even have individual school standards. Maybe the NCAA rules and standards are more complicated than I know. Just my two cents.

The NCAA has exactly what you are talking about. It even has the individual courses that the high school offers that are approved by the NCAA. The problem is that you might have one guidance counselor for 500 kids in these schools. They simply don’t have time to spoon feed each one of them. On top of that the eligibility requirements start in 9th grade. The problem is by the time the kid realizes they have the potential to be a student athlete the damage is already done. Some of them just don’t have time to make up the school work they blew off earlier.

 

[beaced_rivals]

May have and may not have. We don’t know the situation. This kid failed himself but along the way this kid got screwed. Inner city kids are going through adversities that many cannot comprehend. No one is paying a service 2G for a course on the SAT with this kid like many here are able to do for their kid or kids. It’s a different world

You have no idea what inner city life is like. Spoke to a "YOUNG" friend of mine ,74 yrs old. Grew up in Newark. He ,his mother,farther and sister lived in a 2 room cold water flat. A bedroom for the 4 of them and a kitchen.Charcoal heater to try to stay warm.A really good athlete,went to college and coached and became an administrator in high schools. This can be done but Life was hard.

 

[vkj91]

May have and may not have. We don’t know the situation. This kid failed himself but along the way this kid got screwed. Inner city kids are going through adversities that many cannot comprehend. No one is paying a service 2G for a course on the SAT with this kid like many here are able to do for their kid or kids. It’s a different world

you don't need to spend 2G to get the bare minimum score on SAT or ACT.

 

[chrisru99]

You have no idea what inner city life is like. Spoke to a "YOUNG" friend of mine ,74 yrs old. Grew up in Newark. He ,his mother,farther and sister lived in a 2 room cold water flat. A bedroom for the 4 of them and a kitchen.Charcoal heater to try to stay warm.A really good athlete,went to college and coached and became an administrator in high schools. This can be done but Life was hard.

Ok

 

[JoeRU0304]

Many of these kids screw themselves by absolutely bombing 9th grade. Long before they ever think they have a shot at college.

A number of kids also don’t get that state graduation requirements are not the same as NCAA clearinghouse requirements (which are more rigorous). Phys Ed, Basic Skills and certain electives do not count towards the 16 required classes...and you make an excellent point above. I’ve seen kids fail core classes freshman year, not go to summer school with the intent of redoing it the next year, and painting themselves into a corner because they seem to refuse to recognize that the retake class displaces another class on the schedule and still leaves them behind on credits...and I’ve also seen kids settle for D’s and C’s in classes/ academic electives because ‘whatever, I’m passing’ and then once they realize they have a shot at a scholly, they realize that GPA matters.


Joe P.

Relevant for this thread IMO.

 

[chrisru99]

I’m all for personal accountability but you know as well as anybody your stance here is a little simplistic. How many kids in that locker room have zero parent oversight? How many 13 and 14 year olds without parental supervision make the smart choice over and over? I’ve told this story before but I know a kid who went to a parochial, couldn’t hack it and went to a “charter” school for a year before transferrring. Turns out the NJ approved charter school credits weren’t accepted by the NCAA and he was ineligible.

Some guys and gals never experienced anything you just mentioned. Many were blessed to have situations where the support needed to do well academically and socially in school were always in place. It’s hard for these people to get it how it would be possible for a kid with a golden ticket to blow it. They just make stupid comments and move on. Sometimes even families where both parents are active in their kids life screwups still happen. 2019 Newark is a little different than the Newark from 1902. It’s easy to talk when all you know all your life is the suburbs and the privileges some people have had all of their lives and their parents lives.

 

[RU05]

When 3 kids from one school(or schools from one city) have the same issue while kids from other schools seem to not have that issue(or at least at a much lower rate) it's fair to say the schools are effing things up for the kids.

 

[RU05]

Sadly, this is quite common and many of the smaller and inner city schools have zero idea what the NCAA clearinghouse requires. They think as long as kids meeet NJ grad requirements they are good. This is not the case. That’s why I never blame kids for “abandoning” their town friends when they choose a Parochial school.

And I believe Wise had the Parochial option but decided to stay loyal.

 

[RU05]

Chris, I think this is the second or third time one of the Newark high schools gave kids wrong information about what was needed to play at an NCAA school. You would think ( and I doubt it would cost too much) that the NCAA could set up some kind of internet site where kids could type in what they have taken and will take and see if that is enough to make them qualified to play at an NCAA school and maybe even have individual school standards. Maybe the NCAA rules and standards are more complicated than I know. Just my two cents.

I'm surprised the recruiting schools, Rutgers in this instance, don't get more involved to make sure these guys meet the requirements.

Or at least a school like Rutgers which recruits from a High School that often has this problem, makes sure that that High School knows what these kids need.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

RU should have sub-contracted Flood to go tutor Wise

 

[Bilderberg_News]

You have no idea what inner city life is like. Spoke to a "YOUNG" friend of mine ,74 yrs old. Grew up in Newark. He ,his mother,farther and sister lived in a 2 room cold water flat. A bedroom for the 4 of them and a kitchen.Charcoal heater to try to stay warm.A really good athlete,went to college and coached and became an administrator in high schools. This can be done but Life was hard.

What position does this "YOUNG MAN" play and do you think Ash can get him to commit?