Tunsil back next week.....
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With his first action against Garrett, it'll be interesting to see if he's just in shape or in football shape.
Also, shout out to Kyle Campbell and the Ole Miss SIDs for typing up that release in record time on the heals of Sark, Grier, and Spurrier news.
3 different loaner cars over a 6 month period. Lied to investigators. Got a couple free nights and a plane ticket. As well as a 6 month interest free loan for $3,000 to go towards a new car.
NBD.
NBD.
Tunsil got all that. People forget Redmond could have played his freshman year. We held him out, then he got a suspension the next year for half the season (whatever).
Why Redmon lost a year of eligibility and Tunsil did not - I don't know.
Why Redmon lost a year of eligibility and Tunsil did not - I don't know.
We had a family member squealing and trying to bring him down, and that's all they got.
I'm surprised we weren't doing more. He's certainly worth a hell of a lot more than that.
As an aside, that's ultimately what's going to kill NCAA amateurism. One of the top players in a sport that's taking in billions can get suspended for over half a season for a few thousand dollars worth of benefits? That's the hypocrisy that will ultimately force the major change to college athletics at some point.
There will be a day when these guys will actually be allowed to profit off their likeness. You can mark it down.
Surprised that the NCAA did not have to issue a written apology to Ole Miss---God knows they have the lawyers to achieve that goal. Not to mention a "Network" that stretches from Opium Czars in Asia to Warlords in Africa to Cab drivers in Cincinnati to Pole Dancers in Memphis.
MSU just simply does not have these impressive & shady ties. That is why our student athletes (Will Redmond & ReLARDo Sidney) have to do "more time" for the "same crime" as our Northern Miss brethren.
MSU just simply does not have these impressive & shady ties. That is why our student athletes (Will Redmond & ReLARDo Sidney) have to do "more time" for the "same crime" as our Northern Miss brethren.
I have wondered about that too. His mother paid $3500 for a car appraised at $5500. Not sure about the appraisal value, but getting almost 40% off of "Blue Book" value, or whatever, is a little extreme. Plus the whole thing was set up by a booster....from the NCAA Infractions letter:
On January 6, 2012, the representative and his friend provided an automobile to prospect1, through prospect 1's mother, for a price approximately $2,000 below the actual valueof the vehicle. The vehicle was originally purchased by an automobile sales business runby the representative's friend's uncle for $8,000 on December 6, 2011. The initial buyerthen transferred ownership of the vehicle to the representative's friend's dealership for$5,000 before the representative's friend subsequently transferred the vehicle again, thistime to the dealership from which prospect 1's mother made the purchase on January 6,2012. Department of Motor Vehicle records show that she paid $3,450 for the vehicle onthat date. The institution had the vehicle appraised during the investigation and found itto be worth approximately $5,500.
Yeah....we could have played a player who was being actively investigated by the NCAA, but I'm not sure that would have been wise. By that logic, UMiss could have gone ahead and played Tunsil this whole year, and just risked forfeiting their games.
The NCAA first contacted MSU about Redmond in February, 2012, just after signing day. By August, MSU had gathered enough information to fire Mirando and disassociate two boosters, and in September Mirando admitted he had lied previously and agreed to a second interview with the NCAA.
Yeah, we should have just played Redmond**
The argument is that he received these benefits because of his status as a player. In other words, the argument is that he profited off being a good football player.
I think you're going to see a day when that's allowed. The NCAA has lost control of this one. Back in the day when you only had a handful of games on TV, TV deals weren't monstrous, and a head coach might be making $500K, you couldn't really argue that a scholarship was unfair wage suppression.
In these days where the lowest paid coach in the West is making $4M, and TV deals are worth hundreds of millions, it's hard to justify punishing a guy for what amounts to probably less than $10K of benefits, especially when he's likely one of the highest value players in your entire system.
It's against the rules right now, but that's just the kind of hypocrisy that has the NCAA's model under fire. This isn't just an Ole Miss deal for me either. I've got an issue with the NCAA model period, and I think it needs to be addressed and will be addressed. That's why I can't muster any outrage or shock when I see that players are getting benefits on the side. Even when they're getting benefits (and let's be honest, they all are), it's still almost never more than what they're actually worth to the university.
Well the percentage off doesn't matter to the NCAA, it was just valued to set an amount for the difference. The actual dollar amount difference is what the NCAA was using for penalties. And I know what is mostly talked about is the jacket, couple of hundred dollar handshakes, and a car discount. But there were more in our violations. The big dollar amount is the $6,000 enticement to not go to an official visit to another school. There was also a visa gift card of an undisclosed amount, free transportation, lodging, and meals at different times, that was also given to his non-scholarship coach. The NCAA was lie to not once but twice in interviews. I think we self imposed too much as well but he was going to lose a year with all of that, including lying twice.
To Bruiser, I love how it's now that's all he got, I figured it would have been more. I think if there is more involving his recruitment that is harder to trace or if there is a definite separation of inducements, they can actually split the allegations. In other words, this and Hampton were an immediate continuing issue with consequences to this season. What, if anything that they have or looking into about prior violations, could very well be in the investigation and add to penalties. His suspension doesn't necessarily mean that's all they have on him for his entire career and all the NCAA will deal with. It's just what had to be dealt with right now because of eligibility for this season. They could still find and issue penalties involving Tunsil with the broader investigation that's still ongoing. Not that I know that this the case or anything, but it also doesn't mean this is all they have on Tunsil. It may or may not be it, but it had to be dealt with right now.
I'm not sure that the total dollar amount means that much when you are talking about a booster and a coach being involved in a recruiting violation. The dollar amounts usually only apply when you are dealing with amateurism issues rather than recruiting inducements.
Looks like our friend Coutrney Cronin is looking for a "promotion" now.
Don't tweets like this get you jobs like the Lead Political reporter for the Commercial Appeal or "fresh starts" in Chicago?
Don't tweets like this get you jobs like the Lead Political reporter for the Commercial Appeal or "fresh starts" in Chicago?
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We were dealing with an amateurism issue. Hence him sitting out and he also had to pay back some of this to retain his amateur status. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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How do you figure that? According to the NCAA infractions report, the NCAA received a tip from a confidential source in December, 2011 that Redmond was receiving improper inducements during recruiting. The NCAA contacted MSU shortly after signing day. MSU fully cooperated with the NCAA, got a slap on the wrist probation-wise, and Redmond has been allowed to play for MSU instead of being declared ineligible. MSU had a booster giving cash to a recruit, and an assistant coach knew all about it and didn't report it.....where did our compliance office screw up?
Bingo. Having a coach know about the infraction and not report it is a big no no
There is not an OM coach that has been proven to have known about Tunsil's loaner cars, while Mirando knew about Redmond and didn't report it. And then he lied about it the first time he was asked about it. Also, Tunsil was already enrolled and playing when he got his benefit, while Redmond's benefits were while he was still a recruit and were seen as an inducement to attend the university. I actually think we got off pretty light with a slap on the wrist probation. Sucks that Redmond had to lose a year of eligibility, but it could have been much worse.
Huh? We he held him out as part of our self imposing because of the violations that would make him ineligible. That doesn't mean a player can't become eligible after the penalties are completed. Just like Tunsil, Green, Gurley, etc. The player doesn't have to be declared ineligible and never play again. They can regain their status. Hence us holding him out and he repaying the benefits to regain his eligibility.
'The university released a statement saying the athlete involved — without specifically mentioning Redmond — must repay $2,660 in impermissible benefits, was suspended for the entire 2012 season and will miss the first five games of the upcoming season.'
NCAA accepted our self imposed penalties in June of '13. We...WE...sat Redmond for 12 games in 2012 and 4 more to begin 2013 and the ncaa accepted it. In light of the goings on in the past few years, infractions of this nature garner 7 game suspensions tops. I'm simply suggesting that sitting him out for 2012 was MORE than enough...let alone tack more time onto it. Hence, I feel our compliance dept did him no favors.
That's ridiculous. We held him out of competition because there was an ongoing investigation into his recruitment, and then used the 1 year of sitting out as a suggested penalty before the infractions committee. If the 1 year had been enough, then the NCAA would have accepted it and allowed him to play the first game of 2013. The infractions report came out in June, 2013. The NCAA obviously did not think 1 year was enough.
We had no choice but to hold him out in 2012 or risk forfeiting all those games. Perhaps you think our attorneys could have negotiated a lower penalty, but they failed. That is a far cry from claiming our compliance department did Redmond a disservice.
We had no choice but to hold him out in 2012 or risk forfeiting all those games. Perhaps you think our attorneys could have negotiated a lower penalty, but they failed. That is a far cry from claiming our compliance department did Redmond a disservice.
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It was a recruiting violation. Players who received benefits during recruiting have been declared ineligible to play for the team that improperly recruited him. It is part of the penalty against the school. The player can become eligible at other schools. Albert Means is one example, and he didn't even receive any benefits for himself or his family.
It is a recruiting violation but it also affected his amateurism. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Means was different in that the allegations and penalties were based on his coach receiving the benefits. Not the player. He was also able to transfer because Alabama released him, by the NCAA's agreement. And he couldn't transfer to just any school but Memphis was allowed because they could not prove that they had any dealings with try to buy Means. If they had not, he would have been subject to the same transfer rules. Although I think the former Memphis coach may have testified in the case.
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