Jumping to conclusions

[paindonthurt_]

Is stupid.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...eyer-says-failed-media-day-dealing-zach-smith

 

[Rushisaband]

There’s a mat for that!

 

[patdog]

Well, that settles it then. Meyer didn’t lie. He just had a brain cramp and misspoke. An Smith never hit his wife anyway. She staged fake pictures & a fake story to frame him.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

That looks like a man of integrity to me.

 

[mount lefroy]

Is stupid.

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...eyer-says-failed-media-day-dealing-zach-smith

that video convinced you?

 

[Go Budaw]

You realize McMurphy released an actual text screenshot from right after the interview in which he admitted to choking her in Punta Cana AND lying through his teeth during the entire interview, right? You may be the only person who thinks he didn’t take things from bad to worse.

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[Dawgzilla]

The question is, why was Zach Smith fired now and not in 2015? So they investigated the matter in 2015 and didn't fire him, but they fired him when the allegations became public? If the guy did not do anything to deserve firing in 2015, it seems really unfair to fire him just because the allegations (which you have supposedly investigated and been satisfied were unfounded) are now public. I kind of respect Smith saying that he believes the matter would become a distraction to the team, but now it seems there is going to be a distraction regardless.

 

[Miketice]

There’s a mat for that!

No doubt!

 

[HD6]

Because he's a good recruiter.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

“I kind of respect Smith saying that he believes the matter would become a distraction to the team, but now it seems there is going to be a distraction regardless.”

The person you have such respect for told Meyers if he was fired he would take everyone down with him. He knew he should have been fired in 2015. He knew it wa swept under the rug. Sounds like a bang-up great guy to me.

 

[deadheaddawg]

The OP doesn't appear to be very smart

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

The Big 10, with its pedophiles and women=beaters, makes the SEC's buying players and giving them cars is almost pure in comparison.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I didn't say I had any respect for Zach Smith. Sorry I confused you, because I used a poor choice or words. Clearly I think there is more to this story than what Meyer and Smith are saying now.

I am saying that keeping him on in 2015 and then firing him in 2018 doesn't make sense, unless you know that some bad **** is about to come out. Smith says he accepted being fired in 2018 because it would be a distraction to the team, and there is probably some truth to that, but I think there is a lot more there.

 

[Go Budaw]

I didn't say I had any respect for Zach Smith. Sorry I confused you, because I used a poor choice or words. Clearly I think there is more to this story than what Meyer and Smith are saying now.

I am saying that keeping him on in 2015 and then firing him in 2018 doesn't make sense, unless you know that some bad **** is about to come out. Smith says he accepted being fired in 2018 because it would be a distraction to the team, and there is probably some truth to that, but I think there is a lot more there.

I think you are right....there is a hell of a lot more there. McMurphy has already said numerous times in public interviews (before yesterday) that he has not released all that he has gathered from Courtney Smith and further info could come out later.

Then, yesterday, Zach Smith had the audacity to completely deny all allegations of battering Courtney in an interview on the biggest sports network in the world. And it wasn’t an hour after the interview was aired that McMurphy released the text exchange that proved he was lying beyond a shadow of a doubt in the interview that was just given. That text screenshot was like a bullet in a gun that has been loaded and aimed directly at the OSU football program for 3 days, just waiting on one of them to do something stupid enough to get it shot at them. Didn’t take long.

 

[paindonthurt_]

All I’m saying is there is a lot we don’t know.

It appears Meyer did report this in 2015, or he made a really calculated thought out bald face lie.

 

[patdog]

There's a lot we do know. And even if Meyer did report it to the AD, apparently no one reported it to the legal/compliance staff, which is what is required. Joe Paterno reported the Sandusky stuff to the Penn St. AD too. That's not enough.

 

[Go Budaw]

All I’m saying is there is a lot we don’t know.

It appears Meyer did report this in 2015, or he made a really calculated thought out bald face lie.

You mean like the calculated thought out bald face lie he told just 10 days ago at the Big 10 media days?

 

[paindonthurt_]

Got a link for that?

 

[deadheaddawg]

It's not like urban hasn't lied constantly about stuff his whole professional career. If you have ever been around habitual liaes you realize they lie about everything

 

[paindonthurt_]

Is lying to the media a crime?

 

[paindonthurt_]

So again, I ask the same question as before.

If I’m a boss and I have an employee who alledgedly assualted his or her partner, what is my legal obligation?

Report it to my boss?

Report it to police?

Just bc a person is a “celebrity” doesn’t hold them to a higher legal standard. And it really shouldn’t hold them to a higher moral standard.

 

[Grove Sh*tter]

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[JoMo MoJo]

Is lying to the media a crime?

Covering up a crime is. Meyer’s wife, in the role of a university-employed healthcare professional, not reporting the aftermath of the beating to her immediate supervisor is not only a crime, it will lead to her losing her license to practice.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Sure. If that’s all true then yeah.

But it appears urban reported this back in 2015. Him not making an accurate statement to the media doesn’t mean anything.

 

[JoMo MoJo]

You are assuming Meyer is telling the truth? Something he hasn’t done yet?

 

[Go Budaw]

Is lying to the media a crime?

The question isn’t if its a crime or not. The question is if its a fireable offense (for a public figure and leader of 18-22 year old men for 4-5 years of their lives) to knowingly employ an individual for a decade after being informed on two different occasions of him beating his spouse....and then purposefully mislead the public about your knowledge.

And the key thing is it doesn’t have to be fireable based on his contract. He’s getting fired either way (or resigning, whatever). Lawyers, agents, and school officials are going to have to figure out whether it was “with cause” or not to see whether he gets any of the buyout.

 

[paindonthurt_]

So no one thinks it’s plausible for a coach to be caught off guard by a question? A question in which the answer could have legal implications? I mean it was abt a former employee.

The answer should have been “I can’t discuss the details of former employees” or something along those lines.

And I definitely don’t think his answer to the media was calculated and thought out.

 

[Dawg1976]

It means he lies so why should anyone believe him about reporting it? The AD or whomever he supposedly reported it to is not likely to fall on a sword for him.

 

[deadheaddawg]

The OP doesn't appear to be very smart

.

 

[patdog]

It's pretty clear in Urban Meyer's contract what his responsibility is.

Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State’s Deputy Title IX Coordinator for Athletics

 

[patdog]

I think it's pretty implausible that Meyer would have thought the media wasn't going to ask any questions about an assistant OSU fired the day before for violating a protective order and who had a history of prior allegations.

 

[Go Budaw]

So no one thinks it’s plausible for a coach to be caught off guard by a question? A question in which the answer could have legal implications? I mean it was abt a former employee.

The answer should have been “I can’t discuss the details of former employees” or something along those lines.

And I definitely don’t think his answer to the media was calculated and thought out.

He answered the same way NINE times at media days, all by different reporters. Said he had no knowledge each time. He went all in. And, Smith had been fired just days prior and that was probably the biggest story about OSU heading into media days. There is no way he could have been unprepared to answer questions about the situation.

 

[Pars]

Man beat his wife other man helped cover it up so they wouldn’t rock the boat and mess up there money and winning. Period. Urban has a history of looking the other way. People that defend wife beaters should be banned from life

 

[paindonthurt_]

It’s pretty clear in that press release he made that he followed protocol.

I’m not saying it’s true or not. I’m saying we don’t know.

 

[paindonthurt_]

I can assure you I’m not defending a wife beater.

 

[Go Budaw]

I can assure you I’m not defending a wife beater.

I don’t think he’s saying you did. He’s saying Urban did.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

This. She is a mandated reporter.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Fair enough

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Urban either covered it up, didn't know, or lied to the media and actually passed it up the chain of command.

The cover-up to keep this guy on staff would be borderline illegal.

Not knowing, when you're wife and a whole bunch of others around you do know, is a sign of a culture that is the opposite of an open door policy and would suggest incompetence.

If he knew about it, reported it, and kept the guy on staff only to profusely lie to the media about it after the guy was fired, well he's a liar and an idiot.

So it's either illegal, incompetent, or idiotic. Urban dotted one i for sure. A better man would have dotted two when he first found out.

 

[patdog]

It’s pretty clear in that press release he made that he followed protocol.

If he had followed protocol in 2015, there would be nothing for OSU to investigate now & no reason for him to be suspended.