Trump once again taking care of the immigrants

[THE_DEVIL]

 

[nytigerfan]

 

[Scrubby]

Oh man, the left found migrants to not like and they’re exactly who’d you would expect. racists…

these are able bodied people who are fleeing persecution and actual genocide. They aren’t coming to the USA to take advantage of welfare handouts or defraud our social safety net. They’re here to pick our crops. You people told me this was a good thing?

 

[dpic73]

Oh man, the left found migrants to not like and they’re exactly who’d you would expect. racists…

these are able bodied people who are fleeing persecution and actual genocide. They aren’t coming to the USA to take advantage of welfare handouts or defraud our social safety net. They’re here to pick our crops. You people told me this was a good thing?

"According to independent fact-checkers, human rights organizations, and the South African government, claims of a "white genocide" or systemic state-sponsored persecution of white South Africans are false and lack credible evidence."

Why Trump's allegations that white people are being persecuted in South Africa are being refuted

Here's a look at what President Donald Trump says is happening to white people in South Africa to justify their resettlement and why his position that they are being persecuted is condemned as baseless.

www.pbs.org

 

[Scrubby]

"According to independent fact-checkers, human rights organizations, and the South African government, claims of a "white genocide" or systemic state-sponsored persecution of white South Africans are false and lack credible evidence."

Why Trump's allegations that white people are being persecuted in South Africa are being refuted

Here's a look at what President Donald Trump says is happening to white people in South Africa to justify their resettlement and why his position that they are being persecuted is condemned as baseless.

www.pbs.org

Uh huh…

 

[baltimorened]

there was just a big debate on another thread about the cost of government support of migrants. Any idea why 17500 would cost $500 million? That seems really like a lot of money for 17500 people.

 

[baltimorened]

"According to independent fact-checkers, human rights organizations, and the South African government, claims of a "white genocide" or systemic state-sponsored persecution of white South Africans are false and lack credible evidence."

Why Trump's allegations that white people are being persecuted in South Africa are being refuted

Here's a look at what President Donald Trump says is happening to white people in South Africa to justify their resettlement and why his position that they are being persecuted is condemned as baseless.

www.pbs.org

maybe they just want a better life for themselves and their families..

 

[dpic73]

maybe they just want a better life for themselves and their families..

You mean like the brown people who aren't welcome and dont get paid to come here?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

there was just a big debate on another thread about the cost of government support of migrants. Any idea why 17500 would cost $500 million? That seems really like a lot of money for 17500 people.

Have no idea.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Oh man, the left found migrants to not like and they’re exactly who’d you would expect. racists…

these are able bodied people who are fleeing persecution and actual genocide. They aren’t coming to the USA to take advantage of welfare handouts or defraud our social safety net. They’re here to pick our crops. You people told me this was a good thing?

Wait, what? Speaking of racism, in one small set of sentences you were able to intimate that non-white immigrants were not able-bodied, we’re here to take advantage of welfare and defraud the government, and force-ranked human suffering, while simultaneously acknowledging that the precious jobs the illegals were stealing from hard working Americans, so sayeth MAGA, aren’t going to be done by Americans anyway, and you’re cool with that now? Quite a feat. Talk about telling me who you are without telling me who you are. Damn.

 

[baltimorened]

You mean like the brown people who aren't welcome and dont get paid to come here?

exactly..not sure about who gets paid to come here..don't know what that means

 

[Scrubby]

Wait, what? Speaking of racism, in one small set of sentences you were able to intimate that non-white immigrants were not able-bodied, we’re here to take advantage of welfare and defraud the government, and force-ranked human suffering, while simultaneously acknowledging that the precious jobs the illegals were stealing from hard working Americans, so sayeth MAGA, aren’t going to be done by Americans anyway, and you’re cool with that now? Quite a feat. Talk about telling me who you are without telling me who you are. Damn.

What percentage of Somalian “immigrants” are on some form of welfare?

what percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (with the help of the democrats party)?

 

[Jfcarter3]

What percentage of Somalian “immigrants” are on some form of welfare?

what percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (with the help of the democrats party)?

I dunno, do you? In that same vein, how many white immigrants are on some form of welfare? What percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (and careful with this whole defrauding the US thing, TACO is basically running his own "My American Grifting Account" on a daily basis, so speaks to a lack of credibility).

 

[Scrubby]

I dunno, do you? In that same vein, how many white immigrants are on some form of welfare? What percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (and careful with this whole defrauding the US thing, TACO is basically running his own "My American Grifting Account" on a daily basis, so speaks to a lack of credibility).

Yes, the answer to my question was ~65%. What specifically are you accusing Trump of?

 

[MTTiger19]

I dunno, do you? In that same vein, how many white immigrants are on some form of welfare? What percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (and careful with this whole defrauding the US thing, TACO is basically running his own "My American Grifting Account" on a daily basis, so speaks to a lack of credibility).

They have this incredible tool called google and AI. You can actually find this information. You can see who’s primarily on taxpayer funded subsidies.

Spoiler: you’re not gonna like it either, evil YT people are way underrepresented.

 

[Rifler]

Any idea why 17500 would cost $500 million? That seems really like a lot of money for 17500 people.

It won't,.. it's called a lie.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Yes, the answer to my question was ~65%. What specifically are you accusing Trump of?

Where does this come from? What about the other questions I asked? I am pointing out that both of you seem to have racist tendencies. by your own admission (accuracy notwithstanding), that means ~35% weren't doing all the things you claim, yet you lump them in with the bad actors.

 

[Jfcarter3]

They have this incredible tool called google and AI. You can actually find this information. You can see who’s primarily on taxpayer funded subsidies.

Spoiler: you’re not gonna like it either, evil YT people are way underrepresented.

I'm not going to like what? I don't actually GAF what it says because unless it says 100% of a particular population, then someone is painting with too broad of a brush. That's just fact.

Also, I'm not looking up to verify his claims for him.

 

[baltimorened]

Yes, the answer to my question was ~65%. What specifically are you accusing Trump of?

at one point it was 81% of somalia immigrants were on some form of government assistance program.

 

[dpic73]

exactly..not sure about who gets paid to come here..don't know what that means

According to the State Department and the Associated Press, the Trump administration plans to spend $500 million to resettle up to 17,500 white South Africans as refugees, offering up to $4,500 per person in initial financial aid. [1, 2]

The Resettlement Plan
The Trump administration outlined the following details in notices sent to Congress:

• • Target Group: Primarily Afrikaners, who are white South Africans of European descent.
  • Financial Aid: Up to $4,500 per person for basic needs like housing and food.
  • Cash Distribution: Unspent portions of the initial aid go directly to the refugees in cash.
  • Total Budget: Approximately $500 million allocated for the resettlement effort. [1, 2, 3]

 

[ClemsonInAtlanta]

@Scrubby is a racist idiot? Tell me something I don’t know

 

[baltimorened]

According to the State Department and the Associated Press, the Trump administration plans to spend $500 million to resettle up to 17,500 white South Africans as refugees, offering up to $4,500 per person in initial financial aid. [1, 2]

The Resettlement Plan
The Trump administration outlined the following details in notices sent to Congress:

• • Target Group: Primarily Afrikaners, who are white South Africans of European descent.
  • Financial Aid: Up to $4,500 per person for basic needs like housing and food.
  • Cash Distribution: Unspent portions of the initial aid go directly to the refugees in cash.
  • Total Budget: Approximately $500 million allocated for the resettlement effort. [1, 2, 3]

ok, thanks...I wouldn't consider that being paid to come here. Unless I'm mistaken we provide some financial stipend to every legal migrant....

 

[MTTiger19]

I'm not going to like what? I don't actually GAF what it says because unless it says 100% of a particular population, then someone is painting with too broad of a brush. That's just fact.

Also, I'm not looking up to verify his claims for him.

Lol. I think that’s exactly what you were trying to do. You were insinuating a group is over represented in welfare enrollment and fraud allegations. Both of which you know aren’t true or you’re so captured you can’t admit it. While the group he pointed out is factually over represented, facts are hard.

Your quote:
“how many white immigrants are on some form of welfare? What percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (and careful with this whole defrauding the US thing, TACO is basically running his own "My American Grifting Account" on a daily basis, so speaks to a lack of credibility)”

 

[MTTiger19]

I'm not going to like what? I don't actually GAF what it says because unless it says 100% of a particular population, then someone is painting with too broad of a brush. That's just fact.

Also, I'm not looking up to verify his claims for him.

Here ya go.

Recent analyses of American Community Survey (ACS) and related data commonly show elevated use of means-tested programs among Somali-origin populations compared with the native-born average:

• Multiple research summaries and policy analyses of ACS data have reported that roughly 50–80% of Somali immigrant households (or households headed by Somali-born individuals) receive some form of public assistance (cash welfare, SNAP/food stamps, Medicaid, SSI, housing subsidies, etc.), depending on the exact years, geographic focus (national vs. Minnesota/Ohio clusters), and which programs are counted.

 

[MTTiger19]

I dunno, do you? In that same vein, how many white immigrants are on some form of welfare? What percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (and careful with this whole defrauding the US thing, TACO is basically running his own "My American Grifting Account" on a daily basis, so speaks to a lack of credibility).

Here’s those damn white immigrants numbers. Like I says. You won’t like it.

Non-citizen households from Europe: ~31–34% use one or more traditional means-tested welfare programs (or are income-eligible for EITC/ACTC), according to Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) analysis of government survey data. This is among the lowest regional rates (South Asia is lower at ~19%; Central America is much higher at ~64–74%). Specific low-use countries include the United Kingdom (~25%), Canada (~21%), and several other European sources.

 

[MTTiger19]

at one point it was 81% of somalia immigrants were on some form of government assistance program.

Correct for Somalian immigrants.

 

[MTTiger19]

According to the State Department and the Associated Press, the Trump administration plans to spend $500 million to resettle up to 17,500 white South Africans as refugees, offering up to $4,500 per person in initial financial aid. [1, 2]

The Resettlement Plan
The Trump administration outlined the following details in notices sent to Congress:

• • Target Group: Primarily Afrikaners, who are white South Africans of European descent.
  • Financial Aid: Up to $4,500 per person for basic needs like housing and food.
  • Cash Distribution: Unspent portions of the initial aid go directly to the refugees in cash.
  • Total Budget: Approximately $500 million allocated for the resettlement effort. [1, 2, 3]

And…. California spent $9 billion dollars of taxpayer money on illegal immigrant healthcare in one year. You cry about that?

 

[dpic73]

And…. California spent $9 billion dollars of taxpayer money on illegal immigrant healthcare in one year. You cry about that?

How does your whatboutism apply to "pay to come here?"

 

[MTTiger19]

How does your whatboutism apply to "pay to come here?"

What’s the difference if the “pay” is indirect? It came from the same pot didn’t it. That’s how it applies. Tax dollars are tax dollars and waste is waste. You can’t call it both ways because you’re on a team. You all also are being obtuse by insinuating all immigrants are equal, they aren’t. There are some that should be paid to come here and there are some that should never see our shores.

 

[dpic73]

What’s the difference if the “pay” is indirect? It came from the same pot didn’t it. That’s how it applies. Tax dollars are tax dollars and waste is waste. You can’t call it both ways because you’re on a team. You all also are being obtuse by insinuating all immigrants are equal, they aren’t. There are some that should be paid to come here and there are some that should never see our shores.

Besides the fact that I wasn't arguing for tax dollars to go to illegals, as I was only relaying that there was no white genocide of the S. Africans who are being paid to resettle here, I simply responded to Ned's question about who was being paid.

Your analogy doesn't work regardless because California fully funds the non-emergency Medi-Cal health coverage for undocumented immigrants, using state-only funds rather than federal reimbursement, which they have every right to do especially considering how much they contribute to government revenue. We discussed this a couple years back and I explained to you then the reason they fund it is because it's cheaper than the cost of uncompensated care and it leads to fewer ER visits.

But no need rage about all the poor brown people you despise, we have your schtick memorized by heart now.

 

[MTTiger19]

Besides the fact that I wasn't arguing for tax dollars to go to illegals, as I was only relaying that there was no white genocide of the S. Africans who are being paid to resettle here, I simply responded to Ned's question about who was being paid.

Your analogy doesn't work regardless because California fully funds the non-emergency Medi-Cal health coverage for undocumented immigrants, using state-only funds rather than federal reimbursement, which they have every right to do especially considering how much they contribute to government revenue. We discussed this a couple years back and I explained to you then the reason they fund it is because it's cheaper than the cost of uncompensated care and it leads to fewer ER visits.

But no need rage about all the poor brown people you despise, we have your schtick memorized by heart now.

What genocide were the 10 million Biden let in fleeing.
Kill the boer is fake news.

I just can’t get over how you guys all just pu$$y foot around any fact that goes against your fictional narrative. It’s wild. It’s so interesting to watch people fall all over themselves to defend their virtue signaling nonsense. It’s pathetic.

In reality…
Race-based hiring/promotion quotas under the Employment Equity Act that disadvantage whites

• Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) rules that restrict business ownership, contracts, and opportunities by race

• Land Expropriation Act allowing seizure of (mostly white-owned) property without compensation in some cases

• Documented company bans or freezes on hiring/promoting white staff to meet equity targets

• Higher risk of brutal farm attacks (though overall crime rates are lower for whites than for Black South Africans)

• Inflammatory political rhetoric (e.g., “Kill the Boer” chants) with limited legal consequences

• Resulting emigration of skilled whites and limited upward mobility for some younger/poorer whites

is it genocide? No, but if the roles were reversed you and AOC and all your no kings protest dickless wonders would be losing your mind, begging to welcome them in. You’re weirdos. You complain to complain and you lie, you can’t even acknowledge basic facts that are universally accepted.

 

[MTTiger19]

These are just facts, I don’t choose them. I don’t make them up. This is straight from the internet. It’s not rocket science. Idk why this is such a big deal. Apparently simply observing that this is reality means you hate people.

 

[dpic73]

What genocide were the 10 million Biden let in fleeing.
Kill the boer is fake news.

I just can’t get over how you guys all just pu$$y foot around any fact that goes against your fictional narrative. It’s wild. It’s so interesting to watch people fall all over themselves to defend their virtue signaling nonsense. It’s pathetic.

In reality…
Race-based hiring/promotion quotas under the Employment Equity Act that disadvantage whites

• Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) rules that restrict business ownership, contracts, and opportunities by race

• Land Expropriation Act allowing seizure of (mostly white-owned) property without compensation in some cases

• Documented company bans or freezes on hiring/promoting white staff to meet equity targets

• Higher risk of brutal farm attacks (though overall crime rates are lower for whites than for Black South Africans)

• Inflammatory political rhetoric (e.g., “Kill the Boer” chants) with limited legal consequences

• Resulting emigration of skilled whites and limited upward mobility for some younger/poorer whites

is it genocide? No, but if the roles were reversed you and AOC and all your no kings protest dickless wonders would be losing your mind, begging to welcome them in. You’re weirdos. You complain to complain and you lie, you can’t even acknowledge basic facts that are universally accepted.

Sure, sure, because Joe Biden mis-managed the border, that means all Dems, including me, are dying to give illegals your tax dollars so we can resettle them here. You nailed it.

Now that you're creating stances for me that I haven't taken and you're driving the conversation into the gutter, I'm done here.

 

[MTTiger19]

Sure, sure, because Joe Biden mis-managed the border, that means all Dems, including me, are dying to give illegals your tax dollars so we can resettle them here. You nailed it.

Now that you're creating stances for me that I haven't taken and you're driving the conversation into the gutter, I'm done here.

Of course you are. Why else would you go to multiple no kings protests? You telling me that place was packed with pro ICE and deportation supporters? Sure, sure.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Here ya go.

Recent analyses of American Community Survey (ACS) and related data commonly show elevated use of means-tested programs among Somali-origin populations compared with the native-born average:

• Multiple research summaries and policy analyses of ACS data have reported that roughly 50–80% of Somali immigrant households (or households headed by Somali-born individuals) receive some form of public assistance (cash welfare, SNAP/food stamps, Medicaid, SSI, housing subsidies, etc.), depending on the exact years, geographic focus (national vs. Minnesota/Ohio clusters), and which programs are counted.

Weren’t comparing to “native-born”.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Lol. I think that’s exactly what you were trying to do. You were insinuating a group is over represented in welfare enrollment and fraud allegations. Both of which you know aren’t true or you’re so captured you can’t admit it. While the group he pointed out is factually over represented, facts are hard.

Your quote:
“how many white immigrants are on some form of welfare? What percentage are guilty of defrauding the United States (and careful with this whole defrauding the US thing, TACO is basically running his own "My American Grifting Account" on a daily basis, so speaks to a lack of credibility)”

My guy, I wasn’t insinuating anything. I was trying to point out that you cannot paint an entire group as a way unless all are that way, not with those words. Words have meaning and painting with that broad of a brush that carelessly comes off as, well, racist.

And he’ll yeah, we are unfortunately living in a time unlike any other where the POTUS lines his own pockets and that’s it. So don’t talk to me about stealing from US citizens or corruption when low t rump has done it in multiples more. Refusing to recognize that while dialing in on black immigrants also seems racist. Just saying.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Here’s those damn white immigrants numbers. Like I says. You won’t like it.

Non-citizen households from Europe: ~31–34% use one or more traditional means-tested welfare programs (or are income-eligible for EITC/ACTC), according to Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) analysis of government survey data. This is among the lowest regional rates (South Asia is lower at ~19%; Central America is much higher at ~64–74%). Specific low-use countries include the United Kingdom (~25%), Canada (~21%), and several other European sources.

I don’t “like it” or “not like it”. You can’t seem to get that through your head. What I don’t like is whataboutism and flawed logic with blatant disregard for the obvious bc you simply choose not to see it. That I have a problem with.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Here’s the other thing: there are less than 100k Somali born immigrants in the country, yet y’all want to be laser-focused on that. Less that 1% of the population is trans or non-binary, but let’s make that Darlene’s platform for being a sibling of a deceased senator. Meanwhile, your president is pissing on everything he can to remember himself and he’s doing it with your tax dollars. At the same time, he’s unilaterally engaged in a forever war that costs us money and the country munitions with no way out. The world has turned on us and will engage in trade around us. He has made us militarily, economically, strategically, and perceptionally weaker. But you go worrying about Somali immigrants. Do like you’re told and obey.

 

[baltimorened]

Besides the fact that I wasn't arguing for tax dollars to go to illegals, as I was only relaying that there was no white genocide of the S. Africans who are being paid to resettle here, I simply responded to Ned's question about who was being paid.

Your analogy doesn't work regardless because California fully funds the non-emergency Medi-Cal health coverage for undocumented immigrants, using state-only funds rather than federal reimbursement, which they have every right to do especially considering how much they contribute to government revenue. We discussed this a couple years back and I explained to you then the reason they fund it is because it's cheaper than the cost of uncompensated care and it leads to fewer ER visits.

But no need rage about all the poor brown people you despise, we have your schtick memorized by heart now.

why does it have to be racist?

 

[baltimorened]

Sure, sure, because Joe Biden mis-managed the border, that means all Dems, including me, are dying to give illegals your tax dollars so we can resettle them here. You nailed it.

Now that you're creating stances for me that I haven't taken and you're driving the conversation into the gutter, I'm done here.

in reality, at least in my world, there is a definitive need for some of these migrants - both those here legally and those here illegally. Our problem is that we don't have a way to deal with individual cases, our system is "one size fits all". But in reality there is a difference between the migrant who has been here for 10 years, has a job, pays his taxes, raises his family and the migrant who is here living off the American social safety net program.

The Haitian TPS is one example. Some of these folks have become key parts of the food service, healthcare systems and are now being deported. There are not Americans standing in line to take these jobs...sure some of these people should go, but there should be a process for some to stay...