For EPL fans....

[L4Dawg]

Man City charges latest: City found guilty of majority of 115 financial rule breaches - BBC Sport

Maybe the cheaters will finally get whacked.

 

[patdog]

They'll get a 6-point deduction retroactive to last year. and a $50,000 fine. Liverpool should be awarded a couple of EPL title though.

 

[L4Dawg]

They'll get a 6-point deduction retroactive to last year. and a $50,000 fine. Liverpool should be awarded a couple of EPL title though.

I've seen an 80 point deduction being mentioned, either all at once (which would be an almost certain relegation), or spread out over three years (which would make it very hard to reach the Champion's League those years). The sources mentioned in that report were pretty good. Supposedly expulsion from the League is also on the table. City in the conference would be hilarious.

 

[vhdawg]

Man City charges latest: City found guilty of majority of 115 financial rule breaches - BBC Sport

Maybe the cheaters will finally get whacked.

They are the Los Angeles Dodgers of the EPL

 

[L4Dawg]

Evidently they have been found guilty of 114 of the 115 charges. Everton got a six point deduction for a LOT less than that.

 

[L4Dawg]

There is an interview with Pep from a couple of years ago when he was asked about this stuff. He denied they had done anything wrong, and that he would walk away from the club if he ever discovered the club had lied to him about it. Well, he left after last season with one year left on his contract. HUMMM

 

[patdog]

I've seen an 80 point deduction being mentioned, either all at once (which would be an almost certain relegation), or spread out over three years (which would make it very hard to reach the Champion's League those years). The sources mentioned in that report were pretty good. Supposedly expulsion from the League is also on the table. City in the conference would be hilarious.

It should be a lot worse than 80 points. This has been going on for more than a decade now. But whatever it is, City will appeal it and it will go on for a couple more years.

 

[L4Dawg]

It should be a lot worse than 80 points. This has been going on for more than a decade now. But whatever it is, City will appeal it and it will go on for a couple more years.

Yeah, they will appeal it for sure.

 

[Podgy]

Those are serious violations. Man City should expect a sternly worded email that asks them to apologize.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Gift article from The Athletic for y’all…

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7049721/2026/09/25/manchester-city-charges-verdict-premier-league/?unlocked_article_code=1.D1E.Ojup.2KwzL74VBU0q&source=user_shared_article&smid=ta-ios-share

 

[dawgman42]

Wait, what? A team in the Premier League owned by a Sheikh (or substitute Russian oligarch or greedy American multi-team conglomerate) has violated league financial rules. The Oxford you say!

 

[patdog]

Those are serious violations. Man City should expect a sternly worded email that asks them to apologize.

This is essentially what UEFA did a few years ago when they found them guilty of Champions League rule violations. Issued a statement that these serious violations required a stern penalty & then fined them a trivial amount.

 

[L4Dawg]

This is essentially what UEFA did a few years ago when they found them guilty of Champions League rule violations. Issued a statement that these serious violations required a stern penalty & then fined them a trivial amount.

Actually, UEFA fined them 30 million Euros and banned them from European competition for two years. The ban was overturned and the fine was reduced to 10 million on appeal to something called the Court of Arbitration for Sport. I don't think that court has jurisdiction in this case.

 

[L4Dawg]

I just saw something on a English site that said that for the penalty to be proportional to what Everton got, it would have to be over 1100 points.

 

[L4Dawg]

I also just saw this: If this stands, other clubs can claim financial damages against City. There is precedent for this, recent precedent.

 

[patdog]

I just saw something on an English site that said that for the penalty to be proportional to what Everton got, it would have to be over 1100 points.

Honestly for as blatant & pervasive as it’s been, the only fair penalty would be a 5-year death penalty.

 

[L4Dawg]

Honestly for as blatant & pervasive as it’s been, the only fair penalty would be a 5-year death penalty.

100 points a year for 11 years! That would relegate them year by year to the 11th tier. Manchester City in the Manchester Football League Premier Division. It would take them at least 11 years to get back, assuming they survived. I bet that game with Dukinfield Town would sell out that 60k seater stadium of City's!

Manchester Football League - Wikipedia

 

[seshomoru]

They'll end up with a mild reduction for the next five years and a fine that the Sheikh can find in his couch cushions.

 

[patdog]

 

[L4Dawg]

Doubling down and unrepentant

Man City learned of guilty verdicts in summer before transfer activity - sources - ESPN

 

[patdog]

Doubling down and unrepentant

Man City learned of guilty verdicts in summer before transfer activity - sources - ESPN

This will still be in the courts a decade from now.

 

[L4Dawg]

This will still be in the courts a decade from now.

It will move faster once it hits the actual courts. Their system is a lot different than ours. So far it is still in the EPL process.

 

[L4Dawg]

Man City guilty of all charges of Premier League financial breaches

Manchester City have been found guilty of all charges of serious breaches of Premier League financial regulations, the Premier League confirmed in a 1,545-word statement Tuesday.

www.espn.com

 

[L4Dawg]

https://www.premierleague.com/en/news/4727779/premier-league-statement-manchester-city-fc

 

[L4Dawg]

They are the cheats everyone always thought they were. They really ought to be expelled from the football league. That means for those that don’t know they need to be relegated to at least the fifth tier of English football. Thats down to the semi-pro level.

 

[patdog]

It will move faster once it hits the actual courts. Their system is a lot different than ours. So far it is still in the EPL process.

That will take years. First City has to appeal the findings. Then when they lose that, the PL and Independent Commission will decide on the penalties. Then City will appeal the penalties. Then they will file a court suit. This is nowhere near over.

 

[patdog]

They are the cheats everyone always thought they were. They really ought to be expelled from the football league. That means for those that don’t know they need to be relegated to at least the fifth tier of English football. Thats down to the semi-pro level.

It's actually much worse than I think anyone ever imagined. And as bad as this is, it only goes through 2018. There's almost a whole other decade of even more extravagant cheating that hasn't even been investigated.

 

[L4Dawg]

That will take years. First City has to appeal the findings. Then when they lose that, the PL and Independent Commission will decide on the penalties. Then City will appeal the penalties. Then they will file a court suit. This is nowhere near over.

I’m not sure the courts in England will have anything to do with it. I can’t remember that happening with internal league stuff. I could easily be wrong though. Interesting question.

I did an AI search to see….the answer basically said yes…….and no. The panel that has heard this stuff so far appears to be the one the Football Governance Act of 2025 set up. As such it may be THE body that makes the decisions in this, by law. If they don’t throw the book at them….it will be like college football is right now.

 

[patdog]

I’m not sure the courts in England will have anything to do with it. I can’t remember that happening with internal league stuff. I could easily be wrong though. Interesting question.

I did an AI search to see….the answer basically said yes…….and no. The panel that has heard this stuff so far appears to be the one the Football Governance Act of 2025 set up. As such it may be THE body that makes the decisions in this, by law. If they don’t throw the book at them….it will be like college football is right now.

There's talk the Premier League will relegate them and then the Championship will refuse to accept them. Which would force them down to League One at the highest. Honestly, they need to force City to completely suspend operations for at least a couple of years given the scope of the findings.