OT: Tennessee botches an execution

[DerHntr]

No, there is never 100% verifiable evidence. You can get really close to 100%. But you would quickly encounter a case that appeared to be 100% to some, but not to others.

Did you read what I said before that statement? 24 on English section of the ACT?

 

[HailStout]

Another DEI failure

Okay, I laughed at that one

 

[bolddogge]

She was so evil that even the devil didn't want her. Probably scared she'd team up with that Austrian with the tiny moustache and try to overthrow his joint. Maybe he'll chime in...

 

[BTCMoonBoy]

It was because of IV infiltration so definitely sounds like incompetence

There are only two answers to failures: corruption or incompetence

 

[ckDOG]

I bet mentally preparing yourself for death, have 2 injections go in, survive probably a a really ****** experience, and know you'll have to do it all again probably torments you far worse than it having been carried out correctly where you just fade away like when you put your dog down.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

Which is one of the myriad reasons why capital punishment has no place in a civilized society.

If we eliminate capital punishment, but still have people who torture and murder people, do you still consider that a "civilized society"?

 

[POTUS]

Which is one of the myriad reasons why capital punishment has no place in a civilized society.

I believe the exact opposite. The victims demand justice. If you can wantonly take life and keep yours, that is the essence of barbarism.

How many times do we have to see someone who'd been given a second chance by a bleeding heart judge kill an innocent person before we'll just admit that if you commit violent crime you've forfeited your right to draw breath? We don't execute near enough criminals. That nob in Idaho will be in prison for decades. In a truly just and civilized society he'd be at room temperature.

ETA: People love to bring up the concept of an innocent person being executed for a crime they didn't commit. Agree, that's a tragedy. But those people conveniently forget all the innocent people who'd still be alive if we did more executions. Every repeat violent offender is blood on the hands of the "justice" system.

 

[POTUS]

Also, just go and read what Christa Pike did. That we are worried about her comfort during execution is ludicrous.

 

[HailStout]

like I said earlier I suspect she is never executed now. They really F’d this up

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

"this is burning, is this normal."

@Lucifer Morningstar , you're on the clock, answer the lady.

First, not everything along these lines revolves around me. Second, the burning was not her going to hell. Well not yet, anyway, and you humans, and your not knowing how to kill people. I mean, come on, take me back to the times of beheadings. You guys were so much more fun then.

 

[John Deaux VII]

Here is my capital punishhment position -

I have no problem executing someone guilty of murder. There is nothing uncivilized or barbaric in ending the life of a person who deliberately took the life of an innocent person. I do have a problem with executing an innocent person. I think you have to be naieve to think we have never executed someone who was wrongly convicted - the system usually gets it right, but its not perfect. Combine that with the costly and lenghtly appeals process, I just think its too much sugar for a dime. Give them life without parole and work them so hard in the Parchman summer heat that they wish they had gotten the gas chamber instead.

 

[FactCheckerBot]

Also, just go and read what Christa Pike did. That we are worried about her comfort during execution is ludicrous.

No misinformation detected.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

Here is my capital punishhment position -

I have no problem executing someone guilty of murder. There is nothing uncivilized or barbaric in ending the life of a person who deliberately took the life of an innocent person. I do have a problem with executing an innocent person. I think you have to be naieve to think we have never executed someone who was wrongly convicted - the system usually gets it right, but its not perfect. Combine that with the costly and lenghtly appeals process, I just think its too much sugar for a dime. Give them life without parole and work them so hard in the Parchman summer heat that they wish they had gotten the gas chamber instead.

So in this scenario with a wrongly convicted person, wouldn't "life without parole and work them so hard in the Parchman summer heat that they wish they had gotten the gas chamber instead." be just about as bad as executing a wrongly convicted person?

 

[John Deaux VII]

So in this scenario with a wrongly convicted person, wouldn't "life without parole and work them so hard in the Parchman summer heat that they wish they had gotten the gas chamber instead." be just about as bad as executing a wrongly convicted person?

No. A wrongly convicted person senteced to life without parole stands a chance of having the conviction overturned so long as they are alive...

I suppose a wrongly convicted person who is executed could come back to life, but that has only happened once....

 

[triton28]

Is there a limit on how many times one can be injected? I feel like there’s some sort of crazy rule with the electric chair.

The world is a stage. This performance is dedicated to Pushing private prisons.

 

[mcdawg22]

Six pack never disappoints.
We have authorities on what it takes to properly execute someone and authorities on how it can be done better.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I bet mentally preparing yourself for death, have 2 injections go in, survive probably a a really ****** experience, and know you'll have to do it all again probably torments you far worse than it having been carried out correctly where you just fade away like when you put your dog down.

Does she have to do it again? What’s the rule? Can she argue she carried out her sentence?

 

[ckDOG]

Does she have to do it again? What’s the rule? Can she argue she carried out her sentence?

 

[patdog]

No, there is never 100% verifiable evidence. You can get really close to 100%. But you would quickly encounter a case that appeared to be 100% to some, but not to others.

That’s just wrong. Often there is 100% irrefutable evidence.

 

[SoJxnVol]

When my dad was in JPD in the 70s they got a call one time for an injured horse somewhere....I don't know the details, maybe it had gotten out and hit by a car or something, but nevertheless it was injured standing and needed to be put down. Dad was 6'5" and a certified distinguished expert marksman with a pistol. He told the guy, I've never had to do this before, but show me where I need to shoot it and I'll shoot it there.

So the guy points where to shoot the horse in the head and dad bullseyes it. Horse stays standing. What the hell? I don't know, shoot it again. So he does. I think this continues once or twice more, and by this time it's a gory mess. Horse is still standing. Dad's like I don't know what to do.

Finally Dad looks at his partner, who was five foot something, and says I don't know, you try it. Partner shoots the horse in the exact same spot as dad did. Horse falls down immediately.

Apparently Dad being tall, the angle was wrong, and he was missing the horse's brain. Shorter cop had the correct angle, and down went the horse.

Messaging you.

 

[mcdawg22]

 

[ReverseCowbell]

Well that is horrific.

That poor human’s entire existence was horrific, beginning in the womb.

Not every 17’d up childhood produces catastrophic results, but 17’d up this one was indeed.

 

[AnesthesiaDawg]

 

[Villagedawg]

Blame Thomas Jefferson, I guess?

Jesus.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Jesus.

Definitely not.

 

[DawgNsuds]

Six pack never disappoints.
We have authorities on what it takes to properly execute someone and authorities on how it can be done better.

well, in this case that bar isn't very high, the results speak for themselves.

 

[Podgy]

Make her live in Jackson now.

 

[FactCheckerBot]

Does she have to do it again? What’s the rule? Can she argue she carried out her sentence?

Fact:

Alabama has a history of botched lethal injections. It has been argued before that if one survives an execution, they should be freed.
Alabama used alternative methods after lethal injection failed. Surely Tennessee will follow suit. The argument could be made that the injection was obviously not “lethal”.

 

[BossDawg78]

Sounds like the IV infiltrated

That's what it sounds like to me too. Which I can't wrap my brain around how anyone in the medical field that has been checked-off on starting IVs can't tell if the IV they just started blew or not. I've blown veins before, but I flush them multiple times to make sure it functions before hooking up the fluids and/or administering meds. I've been an RN for 22 years and have never walked out of a room without making damn sure the catheter is in the vein.

 

[lazlow]

let me guess, the goverment was involved and they failed?

 

[Dawghouse]

I was commenting on how I think it could be traumatic for some that are having to deal with the failed execution.
I disagree with your view that it should be traumatic for workers that are having to manage the process and fallout of it failing.

I would mostly agree with this but I think it brings up a few other discussions.

1. Being part of an execution team kind of opens you up to this type of trauma, especially lethal injections. Whether it goes flawlessly or is botched it's traumatic for all involved. Taking a life has repercussions (see soldier suicide rates).

2. Women have no business being a part of an execution team. They aren't built for it. Biologically men are warriors and women are nurturers. We should keep it that way. Feminism is BS.

3. we should go back to firing squads. At least then Theres the deniability aspect because no one knows who had the live rounds.

but again, western society has become soft. I'm against peaceful passing for death row. It should be violet and public or it should be done away with. It costs more to execute someone than life in prison. I'm not against execution but I'm against it's current implementation.