No one is bigger than the program but someone is bigger for a season. I would say you do it if it's the stipulation.
If Kamario is tied to Lebby - do you roll with Lebby for another year regardless?
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Got to agree. His presence on the field masks a lot of other imperfections on the team. As piss poor as our defense is this year and our offensive line, we were a fringe playoff team with him playing healthy.
If we finish 5-7 and don’t look competent. Nope.
Regardless? No way. There's plenty of time left for Lebby to show that he can respond to adversity or that he's clueless and loses the team. I don't think even Kamario is going to be able to rally the troops for offseason momentum if Lebby embarrass us the rest of the season.
I think people will buy in regardless because it will be the last year of Kamario. I know I would even though I'm over Lebby. Kamario can hind offensive line struggles, an average defense, and coaching deficiencies. He's that good....when healthy.
K1 leaves and plays even kind of well somewhere else, you’ve buried the program worse than 3 consecutive Crooms. So whatever it takes to keep him, you do.
Easy take: no extension.
Nuanced part: Lebby hasn’t shown he can build a roster. Outside of KT in Sept this year, he can’t win. If we retain Lebby for KT and go all-in for next year, I do think next year can go well. But history shows us the next year we are right back where we were unless he hits it big on another QB.
Best case scenario for Lebby: AJ Swann is good and we beat Vandy & Ten Tech. Really great if we upset Auburn. You win 6-7 and everyone calms down to get to next year. At 6 I don’t see huge fan buy-in, at 7 wins I would.
Worse case scenario for Lebby: lose to Vandy & go 5-7. We keep him for KT & fans have zero confidence in Lebby but a lot of confidence in KT which would likely hurt NIL support. So we delay the inevitable for another year to get what we can get next year.
Worse Case scenario for Lebby that ends up best case for MSU: We resign KT in a few weeks and shut that narrative down. Lebby underperforms & we fire Lebby. Selmon makes a splash hire which energizes fans, record NIL support, & a big year 1 with new coach that he utilizes to get the program rolling.
Nuanced part: Lebby hasn’t shown he can build a roster. Outside of KT in Sept this year, he can’t win. If we retain Lebby for KT and go all-in for next year, I do think next year can go well. But history shows us the next year we are right back where we were unless he hits it big on another QB.
Best case scenario for Lebby: AJ Swann is good and we beat Vandy & Ten Tech. Really great if we upset Auburn. You win 6-7 and everyone calms down to get to next year. At 6 I don’t see huge fan buy-in, at 7 wins I would.
Worse case scenario for Lebby: lose to Vandy & go 5-7. We keep him for KT & fans have zero confidence in Lebby but a lot of confidence in KT which would likely hurt NIL support. So we delay the inevitable for another year to get what we can get next year.
Worse Case scenario for Lebby that ends up best case for MSU: We resign KT in a few weeks and shut that narrative down. Lebby underperforms & we fire Lebby. Selmon makes a splash hire which energizes fans, record NIL support, & a big year 1 with new coach that he utilizes to get the program rolling.
If he is a tied to KT as we are told, then you have no choice. It has become obvious that without KT we are awful. KT is all that matters. If he wants Lebby then you keep him.
I'd be fine with it as long as the guys that write the big checks will support KT with a quality OL and DL (the 2 biggest weaknesses in Lebby era). If they aren't on board to make that happen, it'll just be one more year of frustration and likely wasting KTs potential in college.
I reject the question because I don't think a lifelong MSU who committed to Arnett and Barbay will have a hissy fit and quit over Lebby rightfully getting fired.
He may leave for money (hopefully not), but I just don't see him as 100% tied to Lebby.
He may leave for money (hopefully not), but I just don't see him as 100% tied to Lebby.
General rule, no you never keep a coach for a player. I don't think we can afford to let Kamario leave though. Easy decision is if we win 6 games, we're keeping him anyway. Only comes into play if we go 5-7.
No no no and no. He didn't recruit him, there are plenty of coaches that would run a similar offense and can maybe recruit and develop an Offensive and Defensive line. If Lebby can't adjust his play calling and offense for one of the tow QBs he has playing the rest of the season it just emphasizes he isn't the right coach. KT bleeds maroon, yes everyone will say everyone loves green, but I don't think that's the case. A replacement coach has to recognize what KTs strengths are and one would hope wouldn't Arnett it and completely change the offensive scheme. Also there's enough tape of KT that you should easily be able to sell WRs on coming here to catch that beautiful deep ball!
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You do whatever KT wants. He's currently the most important person in our athletic dept.
I don't think KT is tied to Lebby. Omar played for JWS and Croom. Those coaches could not have possibly mismanaged Omar's career path any more than they did, yet KT's team (primarily Omar) allowed and probably even encouraged KT to come to MSU. He committed to Arnett. I think KT and moreso Omar are all MSU unless we don't pay him close to a market rate or replace Lebby with someone worse.
This statement is a juxtaposition. He can’t hide OL deficiencies when healthy, because the very existence of those deficiencies is the leading cause of him eventually becoming unhealthy.
When he doesn’t have time and either gets sacked or has to take-off downfield, that’s when he gets hurt.
No real point in changing our HC because I have no faith in our administration to hire a competent HC as a replacement. It will just be some other P5 coordinator that will AGAIN have to learn the lessons of being a HC. Selmon hired Lebby based on the Oklahoma connections without much of a wide ranging interview process. Just not sure starting over with a new HC is going to help much at this point. But they can do whatever, I'm almost becoming numb to it all at this point. Situation starting to feel a bit hopeless.
But if he IS tied to Lebby……doesn’t that make him a liar, and all that “Starkville is home” talk just lip service? I don’t for a second believe that, but…..
Right?
I’m pretty objective, I believe, and I have ZERO faith in Lebby whatsoever. We need hogs on both sides of the line, and we will be pretty successful. Do y’all trust Lebby to do it? I don’t think it’s more complicated than that.
Right?
I’m pretty objective, I believe, and I have ZERO faith in Lebby whatsoever. We need hogs on both sides of the line, and we will be pretty successful. Do y’all trust Lebby to do it? I don’t think it’s more complicated than that.
Imagine, if you will, how long Gene Chizik's tenure in Auburn would have been without Can Newton. I see our scenario as very similar. If Chizik had not stumbled upon Cam Newton, no way he makes it to year 4. If Lebby hadn't somehow stumbled upon Kimario, now way Lebby is even considered for next year. Hell he'd probably already have been fired by now.
I guess to answer the question, the wins Kimario would bring in spite of Lebby would help me not notice Lebby's dumbassery. But if Kimario succumbs to the pressure that $10 million brings and goes somewhere else, then Lebby should be on the next train out.
I guess to answer the question, the wins Kimario would bring in spite of Lebby would help me not notice Lebby's dumbassery. But if Kimario succumbs to the pressure that $10 million brings and goes somewhere else, then Lebby should be on the next train out.
If I’m Selmon, I’m not tying my career to a coach and a player and hoping for improvement that all the available data says is not coming. But I’m not Zac Selmon
Yes.
First, he's not getting fired this year anyway. Some of you guys are just setting yourselves up for another opportunity to be mad online.
Secondly, we were explosive offensively with Kamario. Lebby can coach offense.
Thirdly, and I know how much it pains many of you to hear this, the defense is improved. We've held opponents to under their scoring average in 5 of 7 games. And three of these games have been with our anemic offense consistently putting the defense in terrible positions.
Boosters have seen what we can be with a healthy Kamario. It's going to be all in this portal cycle. Big year next year, and a slight chance that we get Kamario back for 2028. I think NFL teams would prefer to see a quarterback get more than one full season in college. Even when healthy, he's got a fair amount to clean up.
First, he's not getting fired this year anyway. Some of you guys are just setting yourselves up for another opportunity to be mad online.
Secondly, we were explosive offensively with Kamario. Lebby can coach offense.
Thirdly, and I know how much it pains many of you to hear this, the defense is improved. We've held opponents to under their scoring average in 5 of 7 games. And three of these games have been with our anemic offense consistently putting the defense in terrible positions.
Boosters have seen what we can be with a healthy Kamario. It's going to be all in this portal cycle. Big year next year, and a slight chance that we get Kamario back for 2028. I think NFL teams would prefer to see a quarterback get more than one full season in college. Even when healthy, he's got a fair amount to clean up.
Yea, I've come to the conclusion that Lebby is a good play caller/schemer on offense. That's his strength. As far as anything else related to being a HC, he appears to be lacking.
Are you suggesting that promoting Arnett to preserve the class might not have been the right call?***
He's had 2.5 seasons to "respond to adversity" , how's that worked out? He's 11-21 overall and 3-18 where it counts, SEC. Is that not adverse enough?
Who's telling us that though? Kamario, nope. Lebby, nope. Selmon, nope. Keenum, nope. Average "Joe's" like you and me are saying that and we don't know squat.............
This is the most Mississippi State'd up trap of all time. You hired a career assistant as your head coach and now, in year three, you are looking at an overall winning percentage in the 0.333 range. So you're going to lock this bast@rd into another year of futility on the hope that your generational talent at QB can somehow stay healthy when the evidence demonstrates that he cannot stay healthy?
Jesus.
Jesus.
mostly agree with this........except for the situation of what if we fire Lebby and get a coach that has shown he can manage of grow the talents of a K1
*no one single person should be bigger than the program as a whole
Actually it is has been reported on Finebaum, on social media, and quite a few other places that they have a close relationship. I do not care about Lebby in the least, but the fact is that if Kamario likes him, and is comfortable playing for him, then you have to keep him. Personally I would love to see us gut Heavy, bring in Dickert, and offer Kamario enough money to make him happy either way.
Yep. If we don't do this, and maybe even 7-5, the team may fall apart and anybody decent starts transferring.
We have to show we've got the pieces to be a real contender next year.
...marketing department, enrollment department, restaurants, hotels, general Starkville real estate market, etc. etc. etc.
You do whatever it takes to keep our beloved Toe Montana.
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A real coach is more important than a one year player. It sucks but it's the truth.
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