You move on from Kamario? We’ve talked about it before hypothetically but now it’s time for real talk.
Would you move on from Lebby if that means…
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I'm not a Lebby fan, but he's proven that with KT, his team can win.
Why would Kamario be staying for this coach?
Real talk: this staff will lower the ceiling of the 2027 team. That’ll lead to a mind numbingly retarded extension and raise after an 8-4 at best season that will dig us in a deeper hole. And at this point, Lebby is in overpay assistants to come work for a lame duck territory when it comes to replacing Loadholt, Odom, and safeties coach. This program needs an enema. There’s no sense of urgency about anything, they’re soft, poor evaluations, and the entirety of the coaching staff doesn’t take their job seriously. I could go on about the last one with examples but I won’t.
I don’t think KT transfers anyway because there are other veer and shoot OCs out there we could hire under a competent HC. If he does, you can’t let 1 player lead you to make a decision that will hurt the program for 3+ years.
I don’t think KT transfers anyway because there are other veer and shoot OCs out there we could hire under a competent HC. If he does, you can’t let 1 player lead you to make a decision that will hurt the program for 3+ years.
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No doesn’t matter KT or not. Besides if I was KT.. I would not want to be on a team that absolutely tanks if I miss a game(s). Like the whole team fell off a cliff.
Either choice without a serviceable offensive line will be a huge failure.
Lebby needs to be fired. I was on the fence in this particular scenario but today's game was the last straw. We were hands down more talented than Vandy but were out coached. Our wins with Kamario were in spite of Lebby, not because of anything he was doing as head coach.
If we play like we did today we'll get smoked by auburn and ole miss
If we play like we did today we'll get smoked by auburn and ole miss
Yes.
Even with Kamario, are you telling me you trust Lebby to field a roster (including completely making over an inept offensive line) and make the in-game decisions needed to win 9+ next year?
Not me. So if not - what does it even matter if Kamario is here?
Let's say Kamario goes the entire season without injury and goes crazy and wins what... 7? 8? Is that worth being stuck with Lebby?
Correct Answer - hire the right coach & Kamario stays
He's not a good head coach is his teams are built around and rely on a single player. He needs to prove he can build depth that will take up the slack if a critical player goes down. He's had three years and has proven he is incapable of that. KT went down and the wheels came off. The team self destructed and it shouldn't be like that.
Lebby is a complete meathead. If he's not fired tomorrow than we really do suck and deserve to be bottom dwellers.
Honestly, if there was the possibility that we hire a coach that can build a full team we’d be better off overall.
Kamari’s is an awesome player but one player doesn’t make the team.
The better scenario is to pay that man his money, hire a new coach, and recruit some damn linemen.
Kamari’s is an awesome player but one player doesn’t make the team.
The better scenario is to pay that man his money, hire a new coach, and recruit some damn linemen.
This is not a terrible argument, but we are bad everywhere. Just can’t be this bad in year 3 after the first two years. I’m not cutting a check for his buyout so my opinion is irrelevant and I won’t be upset if we don’t want to spend the buyout money. But he needed to beat vandy and etsu to have an argument to me.
Lebby isn’t it. You have to move on.
Fire him. Announce Mullen’s return. KT stays and wins. KT grew up as an MSU fan. That wasn’t because Croom, Moorhead, Leach, and Arnette were so awesome. He was a kid during the Mullen Era.
I know, Mullen isn’t coming back to coach one of the best QBs in the country. I still voted to fire him and lose KT if they are a package deal. Keeping Lebby to keep a player is insane.
I know, Mullen isn’t coming back to coach one of the best QBs in the country. I still voted to fire him and lose KT if they are a package deal. Keeping Lebby to keep a player is insane.
NO. KT is a multi generational talent type guy for us. It would be the most MSU thing ever to lose him in order to run off a coach that had us rolling when he was playing. Jimmys and Joes matter more than Xs and Os, always have and always will. We have the dumbest fanbase in the entire US.
No player is worth keeping a shittty coach!!!
if our admin is that fucccking stupid then they should be fired too
if our admin is that fucccking stupid then they should be fired too
I’ve got to believe there are something like 100 other college coaches who could also win with KT as their QB
I guess the question really is do we think Kamario is to Lebby what Will Bednar was to Lemonis.
If we win a national championship next year and Kamario only stays because of Lebby is it worth sucking the following 4 years?
For me the 2021 baseball season was a once in a lifetime feeling I wouldn't trade. Here's the unfortunate thing though - Lemonis is a better baseball coach than Lebby is a football coach
Ceiling with Kamario and Lebby I don't think gets us past maybe 9-3
If we win a national championship next year and Kamario only stays because of Lebby is it worth sucking the following 4 years?
For me the 2021 baseball season was a once in a lifetime feeling I wouldn't trade. Here's the unfortunate thing though - Lemonis is a better baseball coach than Lebby is a football coach
Ceiling with Kamario and Lebby I don't think gets us past maybe 9-3
I’ve never been a fanboy when it comes to players. But I really loved Dak and love KT a lot. However, if the only reason we keep Lebby is to keep KT I’m against it. Because if KT gets injured again, which has happened every year he’s been here and every year in high school, we’re still stuck with Lebby coaching a backup QB which he has shown he isn’t capable of doing. This is like the NFL now where the best ability is availability. We need a coach that can produce a winner with or without a generational QB.
What is he saying that so dumb … would we do this in baseball, basketball? No
KTs inability to stay healthy must be factored into this. My fear beyond that is a 9-3 year with him, and Lebby getting contract extension and being stuck with him for another 3 years afterwards. Doesn't he have the 2nd or 3rd lowest winning percentage by a head coach ever at State (maybe SEC games). I think that says it all.
I don't think you are because you have started many similar threads.
I'm not sold that Kamario is tied to Lebby. Kamario committed to Arnett and decided to stay after Arnett was fired. Of course, Lebby got him to stay but Kamario said that he loves Mississippi State and was his dream school. I also think that Kamario is very close to having a NIL deal to keep him in Starkville for 2027.
Both of those guys coaches didn’t suck, as both were competing for National Championships. They were also not on one trick pony teams, but were surrounded by championship caliber players.
It’s the age old sports idea. Is one man bigger than the program? Yes you have to move on. If Lebby and Kamario stays. I really feel like you have one year left with K1 before the NFL calls. Then that means your stuck another year with Lebby. I am not trading one year for an extra year with Lebby.
When the only thing and only reason you want to run it back with this abysmal staff is one player… then you have let that one player cloud your judgement. K1 hasn’t even started more than 7 games and you’re ready to sacrifice the program?
Let’s break down Lebby
Recruiting..nope. Hell he didn’t even recruit K1
Portal.. laughable
Staffing… nope..
In game decisions. Nope
Development. Name one player not a WR he’s developed
Engaged with fans? Nope
Wins and losses . 11-23 and trending down. 3 SEC wins in three years and just got punked by Vandy at home.
You cannot make one argument to keep him other than K1 and still no guarantee that K1 completes a full year next year.
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