Bad year to raise property taxes 30 percent

[coach66]

Getting hard for retirees to deal with this craziness in Starkville. The taxes were already outrageous!

 

[leeinator]

Wait til the Dems' get their President in 28'. You won't even notice that little tax increase.

 

[Maroon13]

Taxes high and still not enough money to tix a levee. Where does all the money go? To the welfare people?

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Taxes high and still not enough money to tix a levee. Where does all the money go? To the welfare people?

local taxes don't go to welfare. that's federal money. your local taxes pay for your law enforcement (sheriff dept and city police), fire protection, public schools (in most counties, school taxes are half or over half of your total tax bill), road and bridge maintenance and construction, court systems (mandated by the legislature but no money sent from Jackson to cover it), parks, and all of the labor, buildings, and equipment to support those services.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Meanwhile we just cut ours in Florida to almost nothing. If my math is right I will owe something like $200 next year.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Meanwhile we just cut ours in Florida to almost nothing. If my math is right I will owe something like $200 next year.

And Florida has $30 B a year in tourism and toll revenue to lean on to replace ad valorem tax too. Alabama and Tennessee have $8 B tourism tax revenue a year. Mississippi has $1.1 B a year that is already designated somewhere else. The expenses to run counties and municipalities aren't going away. There's nothing in Mississippi to replace it with other than drastically raising sales tax. And that is just a tax shift and quite frankly just a power shift. Your local officials would have to go to Jackson every year begging for revenue to run their localities. How would you like some committee chairman from 200 miles away from your city or county deciding how much money you got every year? Or some lobbyist sliding him or her some money to steer revenue somewhere else. And picking winners and losers and who gets to grow and who doesn't. Whose roads and bridges crumble? Who has adequate law enforcement and fire protection? And when your community loses their fire rating because they can't replace a $750 K fire truck, your home owners insurance goes up 65 %. Or you have to pay $12 - $15 K sales tax on a new vehicle? That'll drive car sales out of state. Lot to think about before you go trying to copy Florida in Mississippi. Florida localities will feel it in the coming years, too. Even with tourism tax to lean on. Doing a bond to build a new project (jail, new road, new ball park, etc) would be out the window. You have to have known predictable revenue to qualify for a bond. Can't have predictable revenue when you have to go begging Jackson every year.

 

[SoJxnVol]

If you send your kids to a private school then you should be allowed to have the option of your taxes not going to public schools.
Hillcrest Christian School , c/o 2005

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Public schools are a gross waste of tax payer revenue. Tho I will give Mississippi some credit for making drastic improvements in scores. This country spends the most to get the least. But Lee is correct. You aint seen nothing yet.

 

[Bulldog45]

If you send your kids to a private school then you should be allowed to have the option of your taxes not going to public schools.
Hillcrest Christian School , c/o 2005

This. If I had the option I’d designate my taxes to the public parks or something my kids benefit from. Significant lack of those resources here and the ones we have aren’t effectively used and frequently aren’t available to the public.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

If you send your kids to a private school then you should be allowed to have the option of your taxes not going to public schools.
Hillcrest Christian School , c/o 2005

I disagree. There’s numerous things you pay taxes on that you don’t use so why target just public schools.

Graduate of SBEC

My kids go to private school.

 

[Bulldog45]

Well, since it’s often presented as how much is spent per student, I’d argue it’s in essence double taxation since the district spends nothing on my students yet I continue to pay my share.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Well, since it’s often presented as how much is spent per student, I’d argue it’s in essence double taxation since the district spends nothing on my students yet I continue to pay my share.

That’s not double taxation

 

[SoJxnVol]

I disagree. There’s numerous things you pay taxes on that you don’t use so why target just public schools.

Graduate of SBEC

My kids go to private school.

Very few. I would even trade my opinion for school choice, you may consider it a compromise but public schools need competition to make them better and both of my options would increase that. It’s gotta start somewhere.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

local taxes don't go to welfare. that's federal money. you're local taxes pay for your law enforcement (sheriff dept and city police), fire protection, public schools (in most counties, school taxes are half or over half of your total tax bill), road and bridge maintenance and construction, court systems (mandated by the legislature but no money sent from Jackson to cover it), parks, and all of the labor, buildings, and equipment to support those services.

Stop with the civics and such. Everybody knows taxes go straight to Soros for Obama’s reelection campaign when he runs against Trump in 2028.***

 

[Bulldog45]

That’s not double taxation

It’s compounded because I receive no benefit from my contribution.

 

[She Mate Me]

Graduate of SBEC

My kids go to private school.

South Bank Educational Center??

Stony Brook Education Cooperative??

Silas Brown Endocrinology Constituency??

 

[horshack.sixpack]

And Florida has $30 B a year in tourism and toll revenue to lean on to replace ad valorem tax too. Alabama and Tennessee have $8 B tourism tax revenue a year. Mississippi has $1.1 B a year that is already designated somewhere else. The expenses to run counties and municipalities aren't going away. There's nothing in Mississippi to replace it with other than drastically raising sales tax. And that is just a tax shift and quite frankly just a power shift. Your local officials would have to go to Jackson every year begging for revenue to run their localities. How would you like some committee chairman from 200 miles away from your city or county deciding how much money you got every year? Or some lobbyist sliding him or her some money to steer revenue somewhere else. And picking winners and losers and who gets to grow and who doesn't. Whose roads and bridges crumble? Who has adequate law enforcement and fire protection? And when your community loses their fire rating because they can't replace a $750 K fire truck, you're home owners insurance goes up 65 %. Or you have to pay $12 - $15 K sales tax on a new vehicle? That'll drive car sales out of state. Lot to think about before you go trying to copy Florida in Mississippi. Florida localities will feel it in the coming years, too. Even with tourism tax to lean on. Doing a bond to build a new project (jail, new road, new ball park, etc) would be out the window. You have to have known predictable revenue to qualify for a bond. Can't have predictable revenue when you have to go begging Jackson every year.

Lotta people in this country think things materialize from nowhere. From the gimme mine crowd to the gimme mine via paying no taxes crowd. It’s literally the same problem with different manifestations and a complete lack of recognition that until our AI overlords take over and benevolently bestow riches upon us the money has to come from someone to have the things you want.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Well, since it’s often presented as how much is spent per student, I’d argue it’s in essence double taxation since the district spends nothing on my students yet I continue to pay my share.

You simply decided that you don’t want to take advantage of something your taxes pay for. If you don’t go use your local public park, same thing, if you choose not to call the police when you have an altercation and just mete out your own justice, if you go your whole life and don’t get lucky enough for you house to burn so you can use firemen…

 

[mcdawg22]

I disagree. There’s numerous things you pay taxes on that you don’t use so why target just public schools.

Graduate of SBEC

My kids go to private school.

Same. I love people that argue you shouldn’t pay taxes if your kid doesn’t go to school. I don’t use boat ramps or softball fields but I’m glad my taxes go to those things to make a better overall community which increases my home value…… which….. increases taxes…. which….make the community…… better… oh my God I’ve unlocked a conspiracy theory.

 

[Bulldog45]

You simply decided that you don’t want to take advantage of something your taxes pay for. If you don’t go use your local public park, same thing, if you choose not to call the police when you have an altercation and just mete out your own justice, if you go your whole life and don’t get lucky enough for you house to burn so you can use firemen…

Proximity of police and fire stations lowers my insurance. Of course you’d say good public schools raise my property values but that only benefits me if I sell and move and also raises my insurance and taxes in turn due to the increased property values.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Y'all calm down . Tate told me that if we did away with State income taxes we'd never see another poor day .

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

South Bank Educational Center??

Stony Brook Education Cooperative??

Silas Brown Endocrinology Constituency??

Southern Baptist Educational Center

It’s now Northpoint Christian.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It’s compounded because I receive no benefit from my contribution.

So if you have no kids should you not pay taxes on public schools?

What if your kid plays ball at the municipal fields in town but my kid doesn’t. I shouldn’t have to pay for your kids fun.

Do you really want to go down this rabbit hole?

 

[mcdawg22]

So if you have no kids should you not pay taxes on public schools?

What if your kid plays ball at the municipal fields in town but my kid doesn’t. I shouldn’t have to pay for your kids fun.

Do you really want to go down this rabbit hole?

My tax dollars help fund a municipal course but I am a member of Bushwood Country Club. Al Czervik told me I could write that off on my taxes since I’m getting double taxed. Is that true?

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

My tax dollars help fund a municipal course but I am a member of Bushwood Country Club. Al Czervik told me I could write that off on my taxes since I’m getting double taxed. Is that true?

Is it also true that you never slice?

 

[Bulldog45]

So if you have no kids should you not pay taxes on public schools?

What if your kid plays ball at the municipal fields in town but my kid doesn’t. I shouldn’t have to pay for your kids fun.

Do you really want to go down this rabbit hole?

We certainly can. Difference is I’m paying for the service through taxes then paying out of pocket for the service also. We always hear the district spends $12k per student or whatever the number is, so my taxes go to that then I’m spending another $12k to educate my student privately. There is a difference between the taxpayer who has no student to educate vs one who does. Of course we know the $12k isn’t a legit number it’s just a calculation used to justify spending by administrators.

Similar to the police and fire argument brought up earlier. That’s a benefit to all, of course if I chose to band together with my neighbors to build our own fire station and staff it that would be a little different.

 

[John Deaux VII]

Very few. I would even trade my opinion for school choice, you may consider it a compromise but public schools need competition to make them better and both of my options would increase that. It’s gotta start somewhere.

Hey man, I know just what you need....the Sovereign Citizen Movement.

 

[mcdawg22]

Is it also true that you never slice?

Yes. I’m a hooker. Like Trebek’s Mom.

 

[Bulldog45]

My tax dollars help fund a municipal course but I am a member of Bushwood Country Club. Al Czervik told me I could write that off on my taxes since I’m getting double taxed. Is that true?

You can book a tee time at the municipal course whenever you’d like, so as long as I can use the gym at my local public school when there aren’t any events scheduled that would be fine.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

There's nothing in Mississippi to replace it with other than drastically raising sales tax.

Other than increasing fines for traffic violations which has happened.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

And Florida has $30 B a year in tourism and toll revenue to lean on to replace ad valorem tax too. Alabama and Tennessee have $8 B tourism tax revenue a year. Mississippi has $1.1 B a year that is already designated somewhere else. The expenses to run counties and municipalities aren't going away. There's nothing in Mississippi to replace it with other than drastically raising sales tax. And that is just a tax shift and quite frankly just a power shift. Your local officials would have to go to Jackson every year begging for revenue to run their localities. How would you like some committee chairman from 200 miles away from your city or county deciding how much money you got every year? Or some lobbyist sliding him or her some money to steer revenue somewhere else. And picking winners and losers and who gets to grow and who doesn't. Whose roads and bridges crumble? Who has adequate law enforcement and fire protection? And when your community loses their fire rating because they can't replace a $750 K fire truck, you're home owners insurance goes up 65 %. Or you have to pay $12 - $15 K sales tax on a new vehicle? That'll drive car sales out of state. Lot to think about before you go trying to copy Florida in Mississippi. Florida localities will feel it in the coming years, too. Even with tourism tax to lean on. Doing a bond to build a new project (jail, new road, new ball park, etc) would be out the window. You have to have known predictable revenue to qualify for a bond. Can't have predictable revenue when you have to go begging Jackson every year.

Florida gets a lot from fuel I imagine. Have you ever paid attention to the difference. Even a noticeable change from MS to AL. We have some cheap gas.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

We certainly can. Difference is I’m paying for the service through taxes then paying out of pocket for the service also. We always hear the district spends $12k per student or whatever the number is, so my taxes go to that then I’m spending another $12k to educate my student privately. There is a difference between the taxpayer who has no student to educate vs one who does. Of course we know the $12k isn’t a legit number it’s just a calculation used to justify spending by administrators.

Similar to the police and fire argument brought up earlier. That’s a benefit to all, of course if I chose to band together with my neighbors to build our own fire station and staff it that would be a little different.

But you’re not paying 12k in your individual taxes for public schools.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Florida gets a lot from fuel I imagine. Have you ever paid attention to the difference. Even a noticeable change from MS to AL. We have some cheap gas.

Well. I oversimplified it because there's other metrics that Florida has that Mississippi doesn't. For example: Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee have a very high number of second homes (condos, vacation homes) that wouldn't qualify for the Florida amendment 3 exemption from property taxes. Mississippi has very little of that. We have mostly homestead properties. The Mississippi House right now has some real boneheads running it. The Senate is a little more stable and rational. If Watson wins Lt Gov, though, it'll be Katie bar the door. He'll do whatever the House wants and they'll destroy Mississippi. Briggs Hopson stepping aside and not running again is going to hurt this state, too. He is a very good roadblock in the Senate to some bad House legislation thats recently come through. He's fed up with the BS. I'd like him as Lt Gov

 

[She Mate Me]

Southern Baptist Educational Center

It’s now Northpoint Christian.

I bet you dominated the athletic fields and arenas of that institution…

 

[FactCheckerBot]

Fact:

A lot of fussing and moaning about taxes would be quieted if there was more transparency and less waste. The fussers have as much of a fair point as the mockers with some misunderstandings mixed in.

 

[Herbert Nenninger]

I suggest we gather up a bunch of tea, and pour it all in the Oktibbeha lake. That’ll show them.

 

[HRMSU]

And Florida has $30 B a year in tourism and toll revenue to lean on to replace ad valorem tax too. Alabama and Tennessee have $8 B tourism tax revenue a year. Mississippi has $1.1 B a year that is already designated somewhere else. The expenses to run counties and municipalities aren't going away. There's nothing in Mississippi to replace it with other than drastically raising sales tax. And that is just a tax shift and quite frankly just a power shift. Your local officials would have to go to Jackson every year begging for revenue to run their localities. How would you like some committee chairman from 200 miles away from your city or county deciding how much money you got every year? Or some lobbyist sliding him or her some money to steer revenue somewhere else. And picking winners and losers and who gets to grow and who doesn't. Whose roads and bridges crumble? Who has adequate law enforcement and fire protection? And when your community loses their fire rating because they can't replace a $750 K fire truck, you're home owners insurance goes up 65 %. Or you have to pay $12 - $15 K sales tax on a new vehicle? That'll drive car sales out of state. Lot to think about before you go trying to copy Florida in Mississippi. Florida localities will feel it in the coming years, too. Even with tourism tax to lean on. Doing a bond to build a new project (jail, new road, new ball park, etc) would be out the window. You have to have known predictable revenue to qualify for a bond. Can't have predictable revenue when you have to go begging Jackson every year.

When I lived in MS they told us if we just approved the casinos all the tax dollars would make everything great. Is that money not helping or did they find new programs to waste the money on?

 

[HRMSU]

Stop with the civics and such. Everybody knows taxes go straight to Soros for Obama’s reelection campaign when he runs against Trump in 2028.***

I'm thinking we'll see him again in '32 after Dems have full control and they amend an extra term to the presidency *****

 

[ababyatemydingo]

When I lived in MS they told us if we just approved the casinos all the tax dollars would make everything great. Is that money not helping or did they find new programs to waste the money on?

that casina tax is at the state level. not local level. that's a part of the $1.1 B tourism revenue that MS gets. you're comparing that to $30 B a year FL has. property taxes 100% go to your locality. and yes, the state wasted the casina revenue and is wasting it. i don't trust the MS legislature to spend money efficiently, effectively, or wisely

 

[Shmuley]

Well. I oversimplified it because there's other metrics that Florida has that Mississippi doesn't. For example: Florida, Alabama, and Tennessee have a very high number of second homes (condos, vacation homes) that wouldn't qualify for the Florida amendment 3 exemption from property taxes. Mississippi has very little of that. We have mostly homestead properties. The Mississippi House right now has some real boneheads running it. The Senate is a little more stable and rational. If Watson wins Lt Gov, though, it'll be Katie bar the door. He'll do whatever the House wants and they'll destroy Mississippi. Briggs Hopson stepping aside and not running again is going to hurt this state, too. He is a very good roadblock in the Senate to some bad House legislation thats recently come through. He's fed up with the BS. I'd like him as Lt Gov

Briggs has his next gig lined up. And it ain’t light guvner.