BB: Minimum Results that will make you Happy or content
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Depends on the injury. If it’s something that lingers and looks like it will drag into next year, go ahead and give him a couple extra years. Not difficult to squint your eyes and imagine a world where everyone stayed healthy and pope is gunnin for his third straight title in 2027.
"Championship or bust every year, or I'm going to a message board to whine like a baby."
Painting the people you oppose as whining babies because we don't win a title every year is the definition of a straw man.
I'm sorry I called you retarded. I feel bad. You are kinda retarded but I apologies.
I think the part you’re not grasping is that for the standards to be lowered, they would have had to be higher in the past. Those poll numbers would look like that most any year.
Even going into years we think we’ll be elite, there would still be folks voting sweet sixteen. That’s how it’s always been.
Did you guys know that from 1939 (the first NCAA tourney) until 2019, UK went to 38 Elite Eights in 80 years. That's an Elite Eight almost half the time. That's the historic average before Cal's last few years.
That's not an unreasonable standard for an 80 year sample size. So UK fans expecting an Elite Eight every other year is actually the UK standard.
But that's literally the standard you've set now. Setting it for 1 is literally lowering the standard. And it hasn't just been 1 season.
I agree. Which I why I was making fun of the below statements:
“But it does keep getting lowered when fans become happy or content with an E8. You're saying we are okay with that. That's who we are now. UK 20 years ago would have never been okay with E8s.”
“We are UK, where E8s are the standard!”
To that dude, that means that’s all you WANT.
That makes an E8 the minimum expectation, not the standard.
We didn't get 8 NC and 17 F4 appearances on having an E8 standard.
Sweet 16 because Kentucky isn't what it used to be. If he can get to the Sweet 16 in 2 out of 3 years here then he's coaching up to the standard of where Kentucky basketball is in this generation. This is not the early-mid 2010's with peak Calipari basketball any longer.
I really hope your idiot *** thinks that you spell apologize "apologies". ******* moron.
I mean it is splitting hairs but there were only 8 teams in the NCAA tournament from 1939 - 1950 so you were automatically in the Elite 8 (it actually wasn't even called that yet, but semantics) if you made the tournament. 4 of those "Elite 8's" were during this time and two of our National Titles. Then it expanded to 22 teams in 1953, Then fluctuated between 22 and 25 teams (1962) until it was expanded to 32 teams in 1972. 1985 it expanded again to 64 teams. 2011 it expanded again to 68 teams. And now we are up to 76 teams.
The run you have to go on to get to the Elite 8 is getting more and more convoluted as the field continues to expand. The chances you run into a team built the right way to give you problems is higher and get bumped earlier. I'm super proud of our past, but Rupp's ghost isn't landing us recruits and Joe B isn't coaching the defense down the stretch. Mitch fought the NIL change so hard that he put us well behind the 8-ball and it will take a very concerted effort to play catch up, regardless of the money we have available.
The date everyone needs to give an HONEST look at is June 30th, 2021 when NIL went into effect. It changed the game, and it changed what UK was. We haven't won a Regular Season SEC Title, an SEC Tournament Title, or made it past the Sweet 16 since NIL went into effect. We have two first round exits, two second round exits, and a sweet 16.
I'm also a realist, as I stated, my minimum requirements aren't that high of a bar. And neither Cal nor Pope has reached it since NIL started at UK. If we can consistently make my bare minimum requirements, then I'll raise the bar to something closer to what the UK standard is. Cause whatever we are currently, is neither.
I’m not completely sure that he understands the definition of standard. I also think he thinks those that come on a message board to talk basketball sets the standard.
or he’s just a troll being an a hole. Take your pick. Lol
I have seen the future and it's the year 2200 and robo Mark Pope has won 150 titles in a row. Just gotta give him more time guys dont be so negative!
The days of UK's glory are fleeting. Soon, they will be butt a distant memory. Very sad.
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I am Poopius Maximus. commander of my own faculties, and a loyal servant to the pangs of my arse. Farter of a massive turd, ****-stained for a miserable life. And I will keep shitting my pants, in this life or the next.
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I am Poopius Maximus. commander of my own faculties, and a loyal servant to the pangs of my arse. Farter of a massive turd, ****-stained for a miserable life. And I will keep shitting my pants, in this life or the next.
I don’t think they’re banning anyone anymore. Honest question. Why create yet another account?
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Gotta admit this made me laugh but also gave me a hint of who you are or were before turning into the professional account creator.
You didn’t answer my question though.
LOL. Reverse Blumpkin was a hilarious story told on the old site circa 2007 or so.
You didn’t answer my question though.
LOL. Reverse Blumpkin was a hilarious story told on the old site circa 2007 or so.
It depends.
Go like 27-4 in the regular season and just have a real off shooting night in the sweet 16 and lose -> I'll be fine. I'll be pissed but fine.
Go like 24-7 in the regular season and lose a squeaker to the 1-seed in the elite 8 -> I'll be fine. Also pissed, but fine.
Go like 22-9 and then route teams on your way to the Final Four and lose on a buzzer beater in semis? -> I'll reluctantly say it was slightly below fine. But still pissed.
Go 18-14 and win the finals by 15. -> I'll take the banner but I'll still be pissed.
Go like 27-4 in the regular season and just have a real off shooting night in the sweet 16 and lose -> I'll be fine. I'll be pissed but fine.
Go like 24-7 in the regular season and lose a squeaker to the 1-seed in the elite 8 -> I'll be fine. Also pissed, but fine.
Go like 22-9 and then route teams on your way to the Final Four and lose on a buzzer beater in semis? -> I'll reluctantly say it was slightly below fine. But still pissed.
Go 18-14 and win the finals by 15. -> I'll take the banner but I'll still be pissed.
With our resources?? That myth was busted yesterday with the article saying we have no resources. That’s why Mitch is gone and J Batt is here. Mitch never attempted to raise money for NIL. He didn’t believe in it. We are so far behind we can see our own butts.
Calipari had double digit loses every year since NIL began except one. Since NIL took effect. UK has one season without double digit loses except one 8 loss season. Thank Mitch Barnhart and his NIL stance for that. Not the coaches.
We haven’t been able to recruit difference makers since NIL began.
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Championship titles mean the most to me. For those of you saying you don't care about the tournament but more about the regular season I truly question why. We never add any more titles to our current total of 8 by not caring about the tournament. The tournament is the only determining factor to add championships. Guess I care more about championships than all time wins total. Please explain why you don't.
The question by OP was the "minimum". Of course we want championships but no school gets them every year other than UCLA in the 60's. Minimum of Elite 8 at least gets us in the area of winning more titles.
Minimum results that will make you happy or content.
If snd E8 is that, the UK fans are now content with E8's. That's the standard now then.
Sorry, seems like you just don't understand. No one is happy if all we ever get to in Elite 8 but if we were to get to Elite 8 this year I would say that is the minimum people would be satisfied with for this year. I didn't take the OP's post as a question for all time moving ahead, just this season for Pope and crew. That's my final attempt to explain this to you.
I was hopeful after Pope's first season that we would have a specific approach and offensive and defensive philosophy that used metrics and data analysis to maximize efficiency. A modern approach that would be at the cutting edge of modern basketball. For year two, either he wasn't able to successfully recruit the players that would fit this approach or he bewilderingly chose a bunch of square pegs for round holes. Regardless, it was a lost season. This year he has assembled a roster that seems to be closer to a right "fit" for what I thought was his philosophy, but it's still probably short of what is needed to succeed at the level we expect at UK. I'll hope that we significantly outperform expectations this year, but I think it's more likely that we're going to be facing some serious soul searching late April of 2027 about the future of this program.
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