If he's the reason, yeah. But I suspect it's not so much his fault as it is some overtly dishonest interpretation or application of what he said. We were doing proper executions in this country well into the 70s and 80s.
OT: Tennessee botches an execution
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Man that sounds like the deer that tried to get out of the back of the truck after I shot him. Goats and deer don't have large brains, so the blood going to their head is less than a human. Cutting the throat is slower than ideal, but it works. The goat story sounds like a really tough day man. I hate to see animals suffer. Glad you guys still had the stomach to eat it.
When my dad was in JPD in the 70s they got a call one time for an injured horse somewhere....I don't know the details, maybe it had gotten out and hit by a car or something, but nevertheless it was injured standing and needed to be put down. Dad was 6'5" and a certified distinguished expert marksman with a pistol. He told the guy, I've never had to do this before, but show me where I need to shoot it and I'll shoot it there.
So the guy points where to shoot the horse in the head and dad bullseyes it. Horse stays standing. What the hell? I don't know, shoot it again. So he does. I think this continues once or twice more, and by this time it's a gory mess. Horse is still standing. Dad's like I don't know what to do.
Finally Dad looks at his partner, who was five foot something, and says I don't know, you try it. Partner shoots the horse in the exact same spot as dad did. Horse falls down immediately.
Apparently Dad being tall, the angle was wrong, and he was missing the horse's brain. Shorter cop had the correct angle, and down went the horse.
Username CERTAINLY checks out.I’ve always said my retirement plan is I want to the “ U.S. Executioner!” They could pay me a hefty sum and fly me around to any state whenever an execution is scheduled. I’d guarantee I wouldn’t screw it up. My only demand is I want a cool executioner’s mask!
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Not going to be surprised if it comes back that the drugs were tampered with by this all female team.
I used to be a "immediately in the public square" guy until I read the story of Patricia Stallings. Now i believe there should be an appeal process, but not 30 years.
I used to be a "immediately in the public square" guy until I read the story of Patricia Stallings. Now i believe there should be an appeal process, but not 30 years.
This is certainly not the first time there's been a botched execution. Anyone remember the one at Angola prison in Louisiana?
"My name is John Coffey, like the drink, only not spelled the same."
"My name is John Coffey, like the drink, only not spelled the same."
I agree that there should be an appeals process. Execution is the most extreme punishment and there must be evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that they're guilty. But I don't endorse this "cruel and unusual" nonsense. I think those sentenced should be executed in the exact same way that they committed their crime. And we should broadcast them on pay per view. Would be a pretty effective deterrence and maybe provide some revenue to relax the deficit or relieve our tax burden a bit.
This is much easier than you are making it out to be. Like the Clancy case for example. Did 3 children get strangled to death? Yes. Do we know who strangled them? Yes. Was this person under the influence of hormonal activity and/or medicine? Who cares, see the answer to questions 1 & 2. The deaths of those children demands justice and the execution of their killer. Even if the guilty party is “insane” they should be killed. It’s the only way to show that the life of the victims mattered. Hanging, Injection, Firing Squad, is inconsequential. They forfeited their right to draw breath.
Unbelievable. How do you mess this up? Embarrassing for the State of TN. They've only had 30 years to prepare for that. Crazy story.
Considering my interactions with people in general recently I suspect it is more just good ole fashioned incompetence
Maybe Tennessee just needs to replace the execution staff with this lady. She seems to be qualified.
It was because of IV infiltration so definitely sounds like incompetence
In the US alone 9 billion livestock are humanely slaughtered and probably millions of dogs and cats euthanized and can't handle a single execution? That is world-class incompetence.
Forget the insanity defense for now, that's a different issue. I am actually arguing against some higher standard of evidence for the death penalty.
The statement was that we should only execute people based on "ironclad" evidence. That's a noble idea in theory. I'm just saying this higher legal standard is impossible to attain. You can find a way to question the veracity of any evidence that exists. Thats why our standard is "beyond REASONABLE doubt", and there is no higher standard. While you can question the veracity of the evidence, are those questions reasonable?
Even in the Clancy case, her attorney just filed a motion for an acquittal, claiming the evidence is all based on speculation. No one saw her commit the murders. There is a ton of evidence that she was there, and no one else was there, and she sort of confessed at the hospital. That was enough for a jury to find beyond reasonable doubt, but it certainly is not "ironclad".
Plus, for the death penalty, you first must prove murder beyond reasonable doubt, and then, in a separate trial, prove at least one aggravating circumstance beyond reasonable doubt. And even then, the jury must weigh the aggravating circumstances against mitigating factors.
And with all of that, we have still executed innocent people.
How would an "ironclad evidence" rule even work? After finding someone guilty beyond reasonable doubt, would the jury then have to decide if the evidence is "ironclad" enough to qualify for the death penalty?
James Madison is the Father of the Constitution and credited with the Bill of Rights and the 8th amendment. Jefferson was a supporter, but Madison is usually given most of the credit.
I was commenting on how I think it could be traumatic for some that are having to deal with the failed execution.
I disagree with your view that it should be traumatic for workers that are having to manage the process and fallout of it failing.
Only on SPS is it somehow controversial to say 'well that is horrific' to an accounting of a failed execution where the person wakes up and asks if the burning is normal.
I think that is a horrific scenario for those involved.
I dont know why in response, you called me a liberal white woman and said I should be deported to a Muslim country.
That seems very random and unhinged.
It's because the death penalty is a perfect sentence resulting from an imperfect determination of guilt.
I get it. I used a word that is preposterous. Use the same logic you use to overule fumble. Caught in the act. Clear video evidence. Of course with emerging technology that becomes muddied. History of violent crime. Nothing will be perfect but we have seen so many improvements in the last 40 years in being able to “prove” guilt that we should do what we can to minimize executing innocent people. Of course there is no magic timeline either. There may be something invented 35 years after someone innocent is sentenced to die that would have saved him if it took 36 years to execute him. There will never be a perfect solution.
To at least provide an answer: In cases where it is on video, I’d say that’s ironclad enough. People still sit for decades in those instances. When a witness sees it happen, calls 911, the killer is still on scene when the cops arrive, admits it, and is covered in blood. When the cops show up on scene to a shooting, are fired upon by the shooter, capture him, and find dead bodies. That’s probably more often than the other two options.
I’m not suggesting that this be the standard. I’m just saying there are times when it is 100% verifiable that someone committed murder. I’m sure it’s rare.
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Raped or not, that doesn’t give you carte blanc to kill. She still had a choice and she chose poorly.
I can see a couple of years. But yeah. This is one reason we need to do away with the death penalty. Much cheaper to just let them rot in jail until they die.
Which is one of the myriad reasons why capital punishment has no place in a civilized society.
Six pack never disappoints.
We have authorities on what it takes to properly execute someone and authorities on how it can be done better.
We have authorities on what it takes to properly execute someone and authorities on how it can be done better.
No, there is never 100% verifiable evidence. You can get really close to 100%. But you would quickly encounter a case that appeared to be 100% to some, but not to others.
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