Its reasonable to hate him if you'd like but your slander is ridiculous. Even the strongest pope haters don't have this dumb of take
Question for those who are against Pope
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Pope fans are a weird breed! Let him burn Kentucky basketball to the ground! Kentucky will be a football school anyway! Basketball will be a thing of the past with mark pope. Kentucky Hoosiers coached by mark pope
Dude, is there anyone out there advocating for year 4? Not me, not yet. We all know it's make or break this year. It's not gonna burn to the ground regardless of this season. We win big or J batt moves on. Btw, what coach wouldn't be a coward if they resigned before being fired (if not for health or personal reasons)?
I think there is a world where Mo Williams is coach by the end of the year. I also think there is a world where we shock people and hang around the top of the SEC. I'm not sure yet. Trying to have reasonable takes not extremes like some of the fiiiaaarr poooaaaaaps
ITS A UK MESSAGE BOARD IN A STATE THAT IS BASKETBALL FIRST. THE MENS TEAM PLAYED THEIR FIRST (uninspiring) EXHIBITION 48 HOURS AGO. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT PEOPLE WOULD BRING UP BASKETBALL! SHOCKING LOL.
"ask what the plan is" - I don't get paid enough to figure that out. That's J Batt's job and why Barney eventually was forced out. It's not an easy job. And your demand of a response has bad faith written all over it. I've seen this argument literally dozens of times. No matter what answer I give you, you'll fixate on it and try to pick it apart so you can try to score ad nauseam points. Not worth it, Jack.
I don't drink, skippy. Proves yet again that you don't know me. You must enjoy taking shots in the dark. Explains why you're divorced.
Funny, you call people names and accuse them of being drunks but somehow you're the one being "attacked." You literally start every fight in this forum. Get over your pompous self and stop the pathetic, cowardly passive aggressive victim tactics.
Somebody's in a bad mood. Someone in your household having that time of the month?
And there it is, the fallback position. Move the goalposts so you can prolong the argument, along with a side of poisoning the well. In the dictionary next to Logical Fallacy, your bucktoothed photo sits astride it. You're a one trick pony, Sporto.
I suggest you seek anger management or just stop posting until you can do so without emoting like an angry lesbian.
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Just wait. At the end of the season, no matter the result, YOU GUYS will be saying let's wait and see how the offseason recruiting goes, let's not rush to judgment, look who we beat during the reg season, who are you gonna hire anyway, blabbity blah. It never ends with you irrational Karens.
Circling back to original point, I’d love for Pope to succeed as would every other UK fan. But, I just don’t believe he can here and don’t want to waste the next 3 years when it’s obvious he’s not built for this job. Felt the same about Cal and Stoops over their last 5 years here.
Don't worry, Batt doesn't read this board. He'll do whatever he wants and what we say here is irrelevant. This is just a place for us to vent although the jeffites here view it as their own personal fiefdom where they attack fans.
At the end of this season everyone ask themselves these two questions:
1) Are you happy with the results? If yes, everything appears fine to you then you skip question number 2. If you answered no then ask yourself the second question:
2) could any other coaches have provided better results with this team. If your answer is yes start making a list and if that list has more than just one or two names on it then you need to look at hiring a new coach. If you answer "no, there isn't anyone that could do better with this roster" then the coach needs to recruit better players. If the coach is unable to recruit better players then you need to look at hiring a new coach.
1) Are you happy with the results? If yes, everything appears fine to you then you skip question number 2. If you answered no then ask yourself the second question:
2) could any other coaches have provided better results with this team. If your answer is yes start making a list and if that list has more than just one or two names on it then you need to look at hiring a new coach. If you answer "no, there isn't anyone that could do better with this roster" then the coach needs to recruit better players. If the coach is unable to recruit better players then you need to look at hiring a new coach.
You’ve never been unclear to me. Never thought you were ever pumping anything. Just a good reasonable poster
I’ve always been a proponent of the NIL/ Pope “conspiracy theory”, because I truly believe that is what ultimately ran Calipari off.
We’ll soon find out where UK stands on that front, when we see what level of head coach the new AD can lure in, when Pope gets let go next April.
I don’t understand how some people bend over backwards to try to pretend Pope’s resume is Kentucky worth or that UK couldn’t find anybody for $5-$9 million a year to come coach. All you have to do is look at BYU. Nobody was upset when Pope left. They were happy and instantly got a better coach.
Why ask or make a list?
No one with the authority to fire Pope or hire his replacement would care.
No, Calipari and Barnhart did the damage, Pope had 1 bad year and his bad year isn't even close to the 2 bad years Cal had, or all the losses to mid majors Cal had.
Pope hasn’t done any damage at all. Again, you act like he went to the NIT.
Name a coach that didn't have a single bad year. There isn't one.
Nobody is shrugging their shoulders. Pope had one bad/mediocre year, why are we acting like he’s BCG bad?
After the 24/25 season, not one single swinging dick in here said Pope sucked. He has 1 bad year and all the sudden he's ***?
His first year was a success, we all said that after the season, why are we acting like he went to the NIT?
Name 1 that played a top 3 SOS, lost their backup pg, lost their starting sf, had to play a pg with a torn dominant shoulder and had to play a pf with back spasms. You can't find anyone.
Pope got a 3 seed out of that and played to seed. To me, that's a hell of an accomplishment.
Well, you said Travis Ford was the better coach, why did he lose to a worse coach by 20 Friday night?
Don't make excuses either, because when you make comparisons, you ignore the diiferences in talent level, leagues and injuries.
So again, why did Ford lose so badly to Mark Pope?
You should probably address the topic of my post. We're being called pumpers, because we aren't on here crying like babies every day, we're being logical even though we agree that Pope probably isn't the right guy.
So yes, when you're doing ignorant things, you're going to get called names.
Be sure to put that bottle in the recycler there Smedley.
No, we're doing great here. UK won last night, the Dodgers are gone and my Bears won today. It’s a great weekend and unlike you, I'm not hung over.
What goalposts am I moving?
Look, if you don't want to answer the question, just say so.
Mark Pope will be let go at the end of this season.
What are we supposes to do if Pope comes in 2nd in the SEC, makes it to the finals of the SECT and loses a close game in the sweet 16?
Are you guys going to continue with this crap about how he's so awful? "Worst coach ever".
Coaches that do those things don't get fired and they shouldn't.
But if he loses 10-12 games, comes in 4th or worse and is out the first weekend, nobody here is going to want him back. We've been trying to tell you this, you're too drunk to listen.
Yeah, I thought it was very obvious, but there are exhibits A, B, C and D just in this thread alone.
unless something extraordinary happens....i find it hard to believe the boosters will fork another 25M to build a roster. which means we wont even be given a chance to have a highly competitive team. not that pope would construct a winning roster anyways.
so why torture everyone with another year
With Stein's success, Pope can kiss his 20+ million dollar NIL budget goodbye.
We went 10-8 his first year in the SEC. Kentucky should never be lower than the 4th seed. The idea that his first season was anywhere close to the standard is absurd. If he built off it, people were fine with it considering the circumstances of being his first year. We expected growing pains. But in hindsight the first season wasn’t that good either. And now Stein is proving that the NIL and transfer portal era makes the whole idea of a struggling first season total BS.
And strength of our opponents is not an excuse when Stein is playing one of the hardest schedules in the country. Ultimately the success of the football team makes it harder to excuse Pope’s mediocrity.
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Fanbase is just angry. And that’s pretty much everyone.
One side is just too angry to hear any nuance that could potentially cast any positive light on the coach. It’s kind of how some people talk about an ex-wife or ex-girlfriend. Literally everything they did was awful and if you say, “She makes a pretty good tuna casserole” you might as well have said she was the perfect mate. Literally just irrational behavior. It’s kind of like how some of these same people will be angry if you don’t say Pope is worse than Billy G… think about that for a moment… they will be angry at you and say you’re “lowering the standards of Kentucky basketball“ while making excuses for a guy who never won a single NCAA tournament game at Kentucky, never had better than an 11 seed here, won only three games against ranked opponents at Kentucky, finished both seasons unranked, missed the NCAA tournament, won only one SEC tournament game, never finished better than 48th in KenPom at UK and did all that with having Ramel Bradley, Joe Crawford, Patrick Patterson, Jodie Meeks, etc on his rosters. These people fail to see how arguing on behalf of an even worse coach means they are lowering the standards EVEN FURTHER than the Popeists they are arguing with.
I’ve learned when someone says that stuff, theres no point listening. They hate Pope so much it has made them goofy. Meanwhile, I‘m upset too — I want to win again. And if Pope can’t do it, no tears will be cried by me. Get down from the podium, we will move on. Next.
Pope is a solid mid-major coach. Would do very well at Utah, Dayton, or Rhode Island. He can't recruit at the level needed to win at UK. That's the story for me, if he could recruit even at just an average level, I think he could last here (defensive coaching not withstanding).
Kentucky Hoosiers! I don’t remember cal finishing 7th in the sec, but I do remember his final fours and championship.
Listen here! Mitch gave you Saint Matthews Sabin! Best hire in football! Btw Look up Mark Pope’s résumé again! I don’t think Indiana would hire him
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