Question for those who are against Pope
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I already did and it can't be reasonably refuted. There is no opinion to what I posted about the schedules and our actual standard against them and it's a simple statement of fact.
No one wanted Pope. No one wanted Drew. But Pope is here so I try and support the man. I called for his head after the season. He is still here. So....GBB
Does last year not fall under the last two years? I would definitely say he did include last year. I guess you proved him wrong about it not being that hard to comprehend at least for you though.
I didn’t. It wasn’t a success. It was “fine”. A middle of the pack conference finish and a S16 absolute drubbing isn’t a success. But given everything, it was fine. That team still had issues. The blowouts. The lack of a dude on the roster. But they had good wins too. Year two was a disaster. Each year he has struggled mightily to sign big time talent. This didn’t just manifest itself this offseason. And I’ve said it till I’m blue in the face, he’d never win a thing of merit previously. He didn’t have equity. He’s been meh and he was meh before he got here. Almost would make one think after 10ish years, he’s just kinda meh. But you know, “he’s one of us” and that crap.
Heads up, here comes Paul on the white horse! I can’t wait to see your posts in early February. You’re either going to go quiet, completely change your tune, or just sound like a driveling idiot…oh wait.
Tell that to Cal who has only gone lower than 4th twice in 17 seasons in the SEC. And I bet he doesn’t end up lower than 4th this season either.
Why did we run off Cal just to get worse?
And it’s not like football is not filled with multiple players on a weekly basis. Did we not just beat Oklahoma on their turf without CJ Baxter, one of our most important players? Stein has gone games without his most valuable players and still won.
Way to avoid the subject with a vacuous personal attack. However it goes I guarantee I will not resort to whining like a little girl.
Is anyone really saying they are supporting Pope, because he played on our '96 team? I haven't seen that.
I did say at one point that he is one of us and the hate he is getting us a bit extreme.
I also said I hated Barnhart for putting us in a position where we are going to end up eating one of our own.
But I don't recall anyone saying we should support him because he played for UK.
We were just too beat up to compete with a physical team like UT at that point.
But yeah, the losses to Ohio State, Alabama, Arkansas, UGA etc were inexcusable, I'm not arguing that, but what I am saying us the positives far outweighed the negative in 24/25.
We were pretty injured against Tennessee when we played them during the regular season too but still won. That was what was so frustrating about that loss. It should’ve been close at the very least and it wasn’t. I think that was the moment I probably lost most of my hope that Pope would work. I still willingly gave him another chance thinking it was simply growing pains.
Cal also has the 2 worst losses in program history, multiple losses to mid majors in Rupp, the worst season in UK history and an NIT.
Also, during Cal's tenure here, the SEC was a joke, so coming in 4th or better, was a whole lot easier for most of his career here.
As far as the football team, missing Baxter isn't the sme thing. Like I said, we aren't 6-1 if Michey's right shoulder was torn, Darby was out, no backuo qb and Rodriguez was dealing with back spasms.
The injuries our basketball team has had the last two years were bad enough, but when you have to play a top 3 and top 4 SOS, you have no shot. At least acknowledge that much.
I think all of us were pretty pissed about that sweet 16 *** beating we took and yeah, that is one of Pope's many issues. His teams come out unprepared and get behind. That has to stop this year.
He has a lot of things that need to change, if they don't, he will have no friends here. He has caused a lot of his issues.
He was given the job because of it. The PR campaign sold it to the sheep that flocked to Rupp for a presser “celebrating” the hire. He’s treated differently by the fanbase because of it, absolutely. He should get whatever the results say he should get. Where he played for two yrs doesn’t matter a bit. Couple that with the fact his interaction with the media have been weird at best…yeah, he’s getting exactly what he should be. But it’s not hate. It’s expressing frustration over the coach not meeting the standard while most know he shouldn’t have been given the job. He had to take it, sure. But he’s a smart dude (supposedly), he knew the hell he was gonna catch for not getting it done.
They did, but there were still a good deal of negatives on the court mixed with mostly negatives in recruiting. It’s the whole picture with Pope. His teams are wildly inconsistent. They seem unprepared at times. They aren’t physical. He’s emotional in the media while looking like a deer in headlights on the sideline. Again, the entire big picture. All the top 15 wins were awesome. He also lost more of those games than any previous coach as well. Doesn’t get talked about, but it happened. Got it broke off a bunch too. Kind of like his career, just meh. That’s cool at Utah or West Virginia. He’s just not good enough, and that’s okay. People need to quit making excuses for the guy. Sure, injuries played a part. Sure they had some serious dubs against good teams. But there’s a whole other side to that season. But that team was like most of his better teams. When it made shots, they won. When they didn’t and the opponent had a pulse, well.
I would like to see Pope be able to recruit one cycle out from under Barnhart. JMI I think is getting its poop together. Will the new AD do the same??
I’m a huge Schertz fan but he may not be so easy to get at this point. He’ll be the crown jewel hire of the next off season.
I honestly wonder how much of first season’s success was “fool’s gold”. How many of those ranked wins were actually ranked wins and how much of that success was thanks to multiple super seniors. Was the first season beginners’ luck?
I think the direction of this season will say a lot about the first season.
It has been pointed out to you many times already that he is actually meeting the standard if you give the schedule proper consideration. We have played 9 schedules rated 10.60 or higher. 7 previous to Pope across 3 coaches with an avg. rating of 11.44 while winning at a 64% rate with three sweet 16's, two second rounds, one first round, and a missed tournament. Pope's two schedules rate an avg. of 13.5 while winning at 63.9% clip with a Sweet 16 and a second round finish. This of course makes no consideration for the injury issues he has dealt with.
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"Mitch Barnhart is a great AD and UK should hold onto Mark Stoops for dear life. Mark Pope is secretly a UK caliber coach, the schedule was just too hard for him"-Paul Calhoun.
Pathetic strawman attack. If the facts don't work for you just make something up? Apparently lesser schedules that were even close to the rating of the last two were too difficult for 3 previous UK coaches as well.
Who are you talking to? You do realize the fans have no input on hiring decisions, right? You live in some sort of fantasy land.
Averaged 7/5 hardly legendary status as a player.
Ask anyone about the team and they think Delk, Anderson, Walker, McCarty, Epps first not Pope. He was an afterthought
Man you dont have to sound like a total loser about it.
I remember back in 88 when Sutton was going to be fired and we needed a coach. Who would want to come here? Well the New York Knicks coach wanted the job
Popes last 10yrs of coaching should not have warranted a phone call from Mitch Barnhart.Because he played for a championship team in 96 is the real reason for ignoring better options.
7.6 and 5.2 as a senior at UK and 8.2 and 6.3 as a Jr. for an avg. of 7.9 and 5.7 at UK in 21.1 mpg. He sacrificed and played his role on a legendary team. He averaged 10.3 and 8.1 as Pac10 freshman of the Year and 12.2 and 8 as a Sophomore.
He was a head coach for 9 seasons prior to UK if you want to be accurrate.
You Pope suckers are full of s_ _ t and excuses. Kentucky Basketball deserves a winning culture and should have a loaded roster every year.Pull your heads out of your _ ss or go join the Hoosier Nation.
You attempted to be deceptive and got called out like so many before you. If it is irrelevant to your point why lie about it in the first place? Your point has been addressed ad nauseum and I don't see much reason to rehash it for someone who can not even be honest about basic facts.
Your the one who denies and makes excuses popes record is popes record and your Denial and obsession with defending Pope won't ever change it no matter what you say so _ _ ck off loser.
I watched all of those players plus Pope and Pope was as slow as syrup
All I have done is post pertinent facts. I've not so much defended his record as provided some factual perspective and defended the truth. It seems to have you on the brink of a childish albeit foul mouthed temper tantrum. There are several of you that hate anyone that dares get in the way of your mindless ranting. Some of you seem to think it is ok to stretch the truth or just fabricate to make a point.
I have said repeatedly he must find a way to improve results or we must move on at some point while acknowledging the factual difficulty of his task.
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I can't speak for others I just know his record compared to other coaches is average at best.I hope Mark Pope and the wildcats win the National championship this year but honestly don't see the talent to do so. Go Cats
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