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Moogy

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Man, in all seriousness, I am more conservative then not, and am a staunch supporter of the Constitution. That said, I am ecstatic about the rebuke to low t rump - y’all folks do right and don’t screw this up.

Good night for the people.

I'm a moderate, and probably have more issues with the left than I do the "normal" right ... the "normal" right referencing what existed before the Trump psychosis parasite entered their noggins ... but I also hold some rather leftist views that preclude me from being a traditional conservative (vehemently non-religious, MUCH different understanding of the 2nd Amendment, ally of the LGB community, etc.). For me, this isn't a great win, other than the fact that it's a step, hopefully, in flushing Trump and his legacy from the books.

While some could justify/rationalize following him because the other side was supposedly so bad, or because everyone allegedly stinks and does bad stuff and they're not judging him as a person, but only on his policies ... I lack that lack of humanity. Legitimately bad people aren't to be entrusted with power. Now I know this is when the MAGAts chime in with "so and so did a bad thing" or "all of this institution is against us and bad" ... but most of that is generally good people doing a bad thing, or good people trying to do the right thing and it turns out wrong, or good people doing mostly good things that have some unintended bad consequences, or even good people doing a bad thing because they see no other choice to get some good outcome ... it's not right, but it's not the same as a legitimately evil person being given power.

But there will be work to be done to head off a turn to the progressive left, even after/while trying to reintegrate MAGAts into normal society.

Dems need to understand that this wasn't some overwhelming acceptance of Dem/leftist/progressive ideals ... it wasn't some call to shower us with socialist ideology, and wokeness ... it was just a realization by folks that they had enough of the crazy and they wanted to get away from it. This is their opportunity to reestablish normalcy. Decency. Let's see if they seize that opportunity, or if they feel empowered to try to pull us all way to the left.
 
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Jfcarter3

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I'm a moderate, and probably have more issues with the left than I do the "normal" right ... the "normal" right referencing what existed before the Trump psychosis parasite entered their noggins ... but I also hold some rather leftist views that preclude me from being a traditional conservative (vehemently non-religious, MUCH different understanding of the 2nd Amendment, ally of the LGB community, etc.). For me, this isn't a great win, other than it's a step, hopefully, in flushing Trump and his legacy from the books.

While some could justify/rationalize following him because the other side was supposedly so bad, or because everyone allegedly stinks and does bad stuff and they're not judging him as a person, but only on his policies ... I lack that lack of humanity. Legitimately bad people aren't to be entrusted with power. Now I know this is when the MAGAts chime in with "so and so did a bad thing" or "all of this institution is against us and bad" ... but most of that is generally good people doing a bad thing, or good people trying to do the right thing and it turns out wrong, or even good people doing a bad thing because they see no other choice to get some good outcome ... it's not right, but it's not the same as a legitimately evil person being given power.

But there will be work to be done to head off a turn to the progressive left, even after/while trying to reintegrate MAGAts into normal society.

Dems need to understand that this wasn't some overwhelming acceptance of Dem/leftist/progressive ideals ... it wasn't some call to shower us with socialist ideology, and wokeness ... it was just a realization by folks that they had enough of the crazy and they wanted to get away from it. This is their opportunity to reestablish normalcy. Decency. Let's see if they seize that opportunity, or if they feel empowered to try to pull us all way to the left.
I could not agree more. This is what we need the rational folks, both right and left, to embrace. Very well said.
 

MTTiger19

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Sep 10, 2008
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Man, in all seriousness, I am more conservative then not, and am a staunch supporter of the Constitution. That said, I am ecstatic about the rebuke to low t rump - y’all folks do right and don’t screw this up.

Good night for the people.
Tell everyone again how you’re the most conservative leftist on the board. Congratulations. Do you feel the need to mention that in every single thread? We get it 🙄
 

TigerGrowls

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Dec 21, 2001
49,962
39,001
113
If you think this was a referendum on bringing back woke, things will flip again in 2 years. Dems need to address the real issues and maybe they will keep power.
Dems have no new plans other than get Trump. Then it's back to their usual stupid stuff. Tax increases, DEI. pass omnibus bills with a few good things but loaded with theft of taxpayer funds out to NGOs.
 

Gibbs9

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Oct 30, 2026
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Not sure why anyone would be quiet. Personally I’m excited some dems won. Now when absolutely nothing changes, we can blame some dems now too. But I’m sure it will still revert back to but Trump.
On a more serious note, I don’t care who is in offices if changes are made for the better. I’m talking lower gas and groceries, lower cancer rates, better school education. I hope those are the things that are a main focus. Not things that cater to a small group of people.
 

MTTiger19

Heisman
Sep 10, 2008
7,098
10,498
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Bit chippy this AM. Rough night?
Chippy? No, just observing that for some reason you feel the need to tell everyone on every post you’re a conservative and hate conservatives. You don’t like mean words, we get it, presumably you were ok with Biden telling everyone to die that wouldn’t take his vax or demanding vax cards to work and travel, we know that’s totally consistent with a constitutional conservative like yourself. Maybe you’re just confused on the meaning of words. It’s ok.
 

m.knox

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Dems have no new plans other than get Trump. Then it's back to their usual stupid stuff. Tax increases, DEI. pass omnibus bills with a few good things but loaded with theft of taxpayer funds out to NGOs.

That's the reality of the situation. As you suggest, they will get distracted once in a while and maybe throw a party to celebrate government spending. Nothing will become more affordable. Hell, dickpic still denies that inflation grew 21% under Biden. My guess is they will attempt to rebrand and claim ownership of Trump's tax cuts for the working class. I doubt they will do anything with the tariffs either.
 
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Moogy

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Chippy? No, just observing that for some reason you feel the need to tell everyone on every post you’re a conservative and hate conservatives. You don’t like mean words, we get it, presumably you were ok with Biden telling everyone to die that wouldn’t take his vax or demanding vax cards to work and travel, we know that’s totally consistent with a constitutional conservative like yourself. Maybe you’re just confused on the meaning of words. It’s ok.
STFU. When we want your opinion, we’ll ask for it. Note: we’ll never want your opinion, unless we want to be amused by the ranting of a hypocritical bigoted mess.
 

MTTiger19

Heisman
Sep 10, 2008
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Lol all these dudes have been crying about the libs and the dems for years and now they live in a blue state and will tell you 'I wasn't surprised Andrews won.' Really? Lolololol
How’s that surprising? The polls said so. She’s a terrible candidate. Did no debates. Basically imitated Kamala Harris. The difference is I can get objectively understand and move on. You babies just cry about racism or whatever other nonsense when you lose.
 
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TheValley91

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Jan 20, 2013
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How’s that surprising? The polls said so. She’s a terrible candidate. Did no debates. Basically imitated Kamala Harris. The difference is I can get objectively understand and move on. You babies just cry about racism or whatever other nonsense when you lose.
Now get back on twitter and cry more about some fraud racism towards white Christians.
 

Moogy

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Jul 28, 2017
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How’s that surprising? The polls said so. She’s a terrible candidate. Did no debates. Basically imitated Kamala Harris. The difference is I can get objectively understand and move on. You babies just cry about racism or whatever other nonsense when you lose.
“I can get objectively understand.”

And that about sums it up.

Now, go back to posting Halloween candy videos, trying to disparage “certain kinds of people.”
 

hopefultiger13

Heisman
Aug 20, 2008
11,389
18,346
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Well, I said it in 2026... Trump won and had the HoR and the Senate (just like in 2016), but I had confidence in the Republican Party to f all that up. And here we are. Now I'm saying the same thing... BIG win for the Dems, but I have confidence in their ability to f all this up as well. The only real loser here is our country.
 

Jfcarter3

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Your apparent litmus test sucks. I am a born and raised American but you apparently love any illegal that can crawl across the border and support putting them on lifetime max welfare. Don't try to come and say no. You just voted for it.
Ironically, you don’t know how I voted. But to be clear, voted Republican for the state and Democrat nationally. Need some checks and balances in place to reigned in the addle-minded nut job in the Presidency.
 
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Aardvark86

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Oct 12, 2021
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I'm a moderate, and probably have more issues with the left than I do the "normal" right ... the "normal" right referencing what existed before the Trump psychosis parasite entered their noggins ... but I also hold some rather leftist views that preclude me from being a traditional conservative (vehemently non-religious, MUCH different understanding of the 2nd Amendment, ally of the LGB community, etc.). For me, this isn't a great win, other than the fact that it's a step, hopefully, in flushing Trump and his legacy from the books.

While some could justify/rationalize following him because the other side was supposedly so bad, or because everyone allegedly stinks and does bad stuff and they're not judging him as a person, but only on his policies ... I lack that lack of humanity. Legitimately bad people aren't to be entrusted with power. Now I know this is when the MAGAts chime in with "so and so did a bad thing" or "all of this institution is against us and bad" ... but most of that is generally good people doing a bad thing, or good people trying to do the right thing and it turns out wrong, or good people doing mostly good things that have some unintended bad consequences, or even good people doing a bad thing because they see no other choice to get some good outcome ... it's not right, but it's not the same as a legitimately evil person being given power.

But there will be work to be done to head off a turn to the progressive left, even after/while trying to reintegrate MAGAts into normal society.

Dems need to understand that this wasn't some overwhelming acceptance of Dem/leftist/progressive ideals ... it wasn't some call to shower us with socialist ideology, and wokeness ... it was just a realization by folks that they had enough of the crazy and they wanted to get away from it. This is their opportunity to reestablish normalcy. Decency. Let's see if they seize that opportunity, or if they feel empowered to try to pull us all way to the left.
My observations and speculations:
1. R's reaped what they sowed, particularly in the house. The past few years have been the first time ever that I've seen members of congress not be focused on jealously guarding their own institutional prerogatives.
2. My medium term hope, which I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic about at this point, is that this sort of thing is a catalyst to help us move away from our parliamentary/party-first tendencies, and back toward our constituent representation focus, which by its nature is moderating.
3. That said, the next few months will, I suspect be interesting. On the one hand, I think it more likely than not that Trump will do what he usually does -- double down. And on the other (and I don't say this judgmentally), I'm sure we'll see "oversight" out the wazoo -- it'll be a good few years for the white collar bar. There will be a lot of performative stuff going on, as there always is.
4. If I had to lay odds sitting here today, given #3, I'd guess that it is more likely than not that we may well see one of the longer government shutdowns at some point in the near future. (Note, my understanding is that the current CR runs through December 11.)
5. It'll be interesting to see the competing post mortems about whether this was more a vote "for" something or more 'against' something. The latter worries me less than the former, and might help with respect to #2 above. If it's the former, the key question is whether it's mundane policy choices, or more fundamental assumptions about historically american values.
6. As dangerous as recency bias always in politics, I do wonder seriously who the "non-crazy person" the respective parties (and particularly the Rs) might put up in 2028, and whether there's be enough time for the D's to show people they're crazy or R's to convince people they're not.
 

Jfcarter3

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My observations and speculations:
1. R's reaped what they sowed, particularly in the house. The past few years have been the first time ever that I've seen members of congress not be focused on jealously guarding their own institutional prerogatives.
2. My medium term hope, which I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic about at this point, is that this sort of thing is a catalyst to help us move away from our parliamentary/party-first tendencies, and back toward our constituent representation focus, which by its nature is moderating.
3. That said, the next few months will, I suspect be interesting. On the one hand, I think it more likely than not that Trump will do what he usually does -- double down. And on the other (and I don't say this judgmentally), I'm sure we'll see "oversight" out the wazoo -- it'll be a good few years for the white collar bar. There will be a lot of performative stuff going on, as there always is.
4. If I had to lay odds sitting here today, given #3, I'd guess that it is more likely than not that we may well see one of the longer government shutdowns at some point in the near future. (Note, my understanding is that the current CR runs through December 11.)
5. It'll be interesting to see the competing post mortems about whether this was more a vote "for" something or more 'against' something. The latter worries me less than the former, and might help with respect to #2 above. If it's the former, the key question is whether it's mundane policy choices, or more fundamental assumptions about historically american values.
6. As dangerous as recency bias always in politics, I do wonder seriously who the "non-crazy person" the respective parties (and particularly the Rs) might put up in 2028, and whether there's be enough time for the D's to show people they're crazy or R's to convince people they're not.
As to your #6, that is fascinating from the R's perspective. Those associated with TACO right now are basically radioactive because of their association and allegiance to trump. If he does what he says he is going to do and simply becomes a veto machine because he is a petulant child, that is not going to help their cause going into '28. He may have set back the Republican party many cycles.
 

Aardvark86

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As to your #6, that is fascinating from the R's perspective. Those associated with TACO right now are basically radioactive because of their association and allegiance to trump. If he does what he says he is going to do and simply becomes a veto machine because he is a petulant child, that is not going to help their cause going into '28. He may have set back the Republican party many cycles.
...or at least one. (As I said, recency bias almost always overstates long term impacts in politics, and I always get a chuckle how after any victory, the winning party always suggests it as indication of the final death throes for their opponent before Total Victory. We are a fickle people indeed.)
 
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