Damn it’s quiet
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Let’s hope that’s not the case because it would 100% would go against their own saying of maga just wants to own the libs. Many dems ran on a campaign of working together with both sides, let’s hope that’s true as this country needs help.
The f.vck they aint. Trump isn't a conservative, he's a narcissistic elitist using Americans to further his financial gain. Conservatives crossed party lines to say no more. The goal? Send a message to the GOP, start separating yourself from this bs MAGATard $h!t or 2028 will be more of the same.
The only ones left supporting Trump are the mouth breathers like you, JHP, knox...the dumb@$$es who spend their days scrolling anti-trans crap believing that's the #1 issue impacting Americans. The rest of us? laughed at you when the blue wave knocked you on your @$$es.
How on earth do you see number 2 working? I have plenty of policy solutions for that but you seem to be suggesting something different.
Bro you are spiraling. What are you talking about. Elon… poor white Christians? Damn bro you raging huh.
She was. Seems like a nice lady but had no business running. Ralph Norman was the far better choice
I know your meds haven't kicked in yet. Its why you are struggling to comprehend.
Now again, hop back on twitter to find your rage fuel.
Nope. America loudly rejected Trump and the republican party. Now run along to mommy trump to make you feel better.
Elon. Poor white Christians. Twitter. Meds. Rage fuel. Damn man. You’re on a roll. Impressive. You feel better? I see you got the white privilege peanut gallery fired up too, well done lol.
I feel great. America soundly rejected hate and ignorance last night.
Also Elon spent half a billion to lose lololololol. Gah damn does that guy desperately wants to be liked.
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I tend to agree that it is likely to be a very long slog, and "mere" losing or getting your *** kicked in a single election will not alone be a catalyst toward it. That said, at least in theory, if there is (or should be) one implicit takeaway to this (IMO), it is that you can't act as a representative if you are entirely beholden to the boss of your party, and that means you have to start thinking about who it is you do have to work for (or at least who people perceive you as working for). For example, think about the difference between Joe Manchin and Susan Collins. Both sat on the fence until the last minute in close votes in polarized senates. But while Collins tended to just get bullied into submission, Manchin squeezed whatever he could squeeze out of the situation for west virginians. He left on his own terms, Olive Oil will not. Sooner or later, in a polarized era, people may realize there is opportunity in the middle, particularly if just being a party hack (either fundamentally or out of fear as in collins' case) begins to be considered risky.
But like you, I tend to think it'll take more to break the party dominance that IMO are the root cause of problems. IMO, the three elements of that are (i) campaign finance, which may not be easily solvable given 1A jurisprudence, (ii) a very stupid broadcast media that needs to unlearn that it has to communicate in binary sound bites (local press may be the leader here), and (iii) (we may have discussed this previously) expanding the size of the house pretty dramatically.
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You seem like you’re crashing out to be doing “great”. You ok? Need to talk it out? You never did answer my question about the NE. If I took 100 random counties from the south and 100 from the NE, which would be more diverse? The red or blue states?
Why are you counting Elon’s money? How much did you morons spend in 8 months for cackling Kamala to get destroyed?
I'm counting how much he wants to be liked and people don't in fact like him. Up to half a billion worth lolol.
What is this random diverse thing you are on about? Do you have a criteria for what "diverse" is in your mind?
He's dancing around saying that the NE is more prosperous because it's full of white people and the SE is more poor because of all the minorities
This perfectly describes a dozen of the regulars on this board.
Oh no. I’d like you to tell me. You claimed it was just poor southern white Christians that are republican. I pointed out that those red states are much more diverse than blue states and you’ve done nothing but stammer nonsense.
I blame voters a lot more than most people do. I agree with you that it would be good if our elected officials did not feel beholden to the boss of their party, but for that to be a rational decision, voters can't go with what the boss of their party says every time. To be fair, I think this is much more a problem on the Republican side than the Democratic side, but I've got rose-tinted glasses on.
What a racist *** comment. I’m pointing out red states are more diverse and growing much more rapidly. You’re gross. Racist *** libs.
Always the victim aren’t you.The f.vck they aint. Trump isn't a conservative, he's a narcissistic elitist using Americans to further his financial gain. Conservatives crossed party lines to say no more. The goal? Send a message to the GOP, start separating yourself from this bs MAGATard $h!t or 2028 will be more of the same.
The only ones left supporting Trump are the mouth breathers like you, JHP, knox...the dumb@$$es who spend their days scrolling anti-trans crap believing that's the #1 issue impacting Americans. The rest of us? laughed at you when the blue wave knocked you on your @$$es.
How long do we have to wait until we are supposed to start seeing the benefits of the blue wave? I’m just curious how long I have to wait until I get to point out nothing has changed for the better. Everything still costs an arm and a leg and politicians only care about themselves?
My interpretation is that he hopes there are more Joe Manchins now. Someone who is willing to not be a rubber stamp on their party’s poor legislation just because of the letter next to their name. Someone who will actually vote for what their constituents want and not what the party tells them to vote for.
I think it’s a major issue on both sides. And a major reason I would never vote for a Democrat in the current political environment. Though you will be happy to know that there were zero Darlene Graham votes cast in the scotch household this week. My wife wrote in a candidate and I didn’t bother voting.
This is an interesting hope but I don't really see it playing out. You likely won't meet many bigger Joe Manchin fans than me but that's because I valued his WAR; I think he'd have been a garbage senator in a blue state. He had his own conscience that worked well for West Virginians but I don't think he's the only guy out there who was actually voting for what they thought they was right and to hell with what the party says.
I'll reiterate how much blame I put on the voters for this. Most of the people who turn out to vote for their parties in primaries support most of what that party does when in power. I'm very open to being reminded here but I can't remember a Democratic passed bill that "no one was asking for". I think the broader problem is that people want easy solutions to complicated problems. They punish politicians when those easy solutions invariably don't work out and they punish politicians when they say "this is hard and it's going to take some time". In summary, voters want bad policy. You can see it all the time on this board with how many people want term limits, balanced budget amendments, no taxes on tips, or student debt relief. A lot of popular ideas are really stupid.
I mean yeah, I wish politicians would just vote for good policy more often but I can't sit here and say what they do is irrational. They're responding to the incentives that they're provided with.
I'll reiterate how much blame I put on the voters for this. Most of the people who turn out to vote for their parties in primaries support most of what that party does when in power. I'm very open to being reminded here but I can't remember a Democratic passed bill that "no one was asking for". I think the broader problem is that people want easy solutions to complicated problems. They punish politicians when those easy solutions invariably don't work out and they punish politicians when they say "this is hard and it's going to take some time". In summary, voters want bad policy. You can see it all the time on this board with how many people want term limits, balanced budget amendments, no taxes on tips, or student debt relief. A lot of popular ideas are really stupid.
I mean yeah, I wish politicians would just vote for good policy more often but I can't sit here and say what they do is irrational. They're responding to the incentives that they're provided with.
Point to where I claimed that.
My post was "Now get back on twitter and cry more about some fraud racism towards white Christians."
This anger and disappointment has your mind losing track of reality.
Fair enough, though I tend to think there is a much larger residual population of americans on both sides who may believe passionately in even the extreme versions of their parties' philosophies, but draw the line when they try to achieve those ends by being outright crazy ******** tactically. What's the great Samuel P. Huntington quote?
"Critics say that America is a lie because its reality falls so far short of its ideals. They are wrong. America is not a lie; it is a disappointment. But it can be a disappointment only because it is also a hope."
I'll quickly clarify that I think the problem exists mostly in primaries. In Congressional primaries (I asked AI for this information), only 20% of eligible voters vote. Compared to 40% in midterms and ~60% in Presidentials. If this larger block of people actually got out and voted, I think we'd have better candidates.
But I'm an absolute hater. I think we ought to move hard into proportional representation (mixed member proportional or multi member districts) and probably do away with primaries entirely. I'm in no way convinced that primaries have been better for candidate quality than smoke filled rooms.
The f.vck they aint. Trump isn't a conservative, he's a narcissistic elitist using Americans to further his financial gain. Conservatives crossed party lines to say no more. The goal? Send a message to the GOP, start separating yourself from this bs MAGATard $h!t or 2028 will be more of the same.
The only ones left supporting Trump are the mouth breathers like you, JHP, knox...the dumb@$$es who spend their days scrolling anti-trans crap believing that's the #1 issue impacting Americans. The rest of us? laughed at you when the blue wave knocked you on your @$$es.
LOL.. Democrats believe trans people are the national priority. That's why we point it out - because it shouldn't be..... You are genuinely dumb.
Agree that the primaries are a problem both in terms of participation levels and in that (at least these days), the gene pool gets less diverse by definition. You might well be right that smoke filled rooms were a better way to sort this stuff out.
I blame voters too, but the average voter isn’t super bright and even the smart ones aren’t super knowledgeable on the actual facts underpinning major issues.
That said, voters should still be smart enough not to nominate Trump for a second term, for example. And they should be smart enough not to vote for a primary candidate simply because Trump says so. Neither requires a sophisticated understanding of issues, but here we are.
Still, there are a lot of issues that will likely never be solved because the best solution isn’t going to be popular. And politicians have to do what’s popular to get elected and hold onto power.
See how well that worked out yesterday? Nobody fucklng cares anymore.
Your part of the party needs to die immediately as we turn our focus to 2028.
Raving about the quality of the marble floors less than 24 hours after the GOP gets destroyed. Because of course he is.
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