“3 Andy Kotelnicki takeaways”

NoSoup4U

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Yeah College athletics experiencing the golden parachute phenomena..
no one held accountable for their prior job outcomes thus getting a severance package of some kind
and will be hired by some other schlep organization who doesn't do their due diligence


If college football is going to be a win at all costs and win now paradigm then contract extensions and buyouts should be a thing of the past, make each contract year by year review and have all coaches re- interview for their job on a yearly basis

I mean why should only the kids get the risk reward benefit of entering the portal year after year ??? Force the coaches to do the same to earn the insane amount of cash they negotiate.

Job security is a facade anyway, if donors and fans are going to dictate when people get fired.

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J.E.B

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What went wrong with Andy K? The Big 12 is a lot different than the B1G. He half two yrs to replicate his Kansas and Buffalo offenses but has gone the wrong direction. Why didn’t he insist on getting his kind of players? He’s rebuilding a bad rep from PSU now much like Yurcich. A dud against O$U and Indiana and he’ll be fired.
 

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What went wrong with Andy K? The Big 12 is a lot different than the B1G. He half two yrs to replicate his Kansas and Buffalo offenses but has gone the wrong direction. Why didn’t he insist on getting his kind of players? He’s rebuilding a bad rep from PSU now much like Yurcich. A dud against O$U and Indiana and he’ll be fired.

Part of that is Franklin always looking for the bright shiny object in NCAA football instead of looking for someone to help him impart his identity on a football team.
 

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What went wrong with Andy K? The Big 12 is a lot different than the B1G. He half two yrs to replicate his Kansas and Buffalo offenses but has gone the wrong direction. Why didn’t he insist on getting his kind of players? He’s rebuilding a bad rep from PSU now much like Yurcich. A dud against O$U and Indiana and he’ll be fired.
Football transcends across conferences, but you have to have the necessary football talent to run your scheme. Most coordinators seem to be inflexible on that front and would rather take two or three years to bring in players who can best play in their scheme rather than for the same time frame adapt their scheme to match their talent on the field. At this time PS has that problem on both sides of the ball :(
 

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Every offensive coordinator under Franklin with the exception of Moorehead has been a disaster. You have to give Moorehead credit for adapting his offense to the personnel on the field. Franklin's defensive coordinators have been good for the most part until now. So now you have two coordinators who have failed to adapt to their personnel. I truly think this cost Franklin his job as I look back on games 1-5
 
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Football transcends across conferences, but you have to have the necessary football talent to run your scheme. Most coordinators seem to be inflexible on that front and would rather take two or three years to bring in players who can best play in their scheme rather than for the same time frame adapt their scheme to match their talent on the field. At this time PS has that problem on both sides of the ball :(
Thus the problem with coach self perceived long term security/vision vice the win now concept else lose your job. The long term security concept wont last past the donors and fans that want to win now. 2-3 years to get players to match your scheme?? is too long of a time frame it appears based on where the trends are heading. {Was 4 years really a realistic time line for Napier?}
1) Players portal'ing every year
2) Fans donors now have more say on who stays and who goes
3) Coordinators moving on to move up the ladder to HC jobs
4) The really good players leaving early for the NFL

You will never have any continuity much less any team chemistry in any one year to speak of, so this really becomes more or a less a crapshoot as to what team will have certain factors all line up, via happenstance for the more optimal combination of those factors, than other teams do in any particular year.

Indiana seems to have things aligning for them this year
 
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Did he talk about the Dairy Queen Blizzard offensive mentality?
 

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What went wrong with Andy K? The Big 12 is a lot different than the B1G. He half two yrs to replicate his Kansas and Buffalo offenses but has gone the wrong direction. Why didn’t he insist on getting his kind of players? He’s rebuilding a bad rep from PSU now much like Yurcich. A dud against O$U and Indiana and he’ll be fired.
His offenose works best when his QB is the best RB. He has no clue how to use a drop back passer offense. Franklin did poor due diligence. K dies not fit our Offense or the B1G defenses.
 

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Thus the problem with coach self perceived long term security/vision vice the win now concept else lose your job. The long term security concept wont last past the donors and fans that want to win now. 2-3 years to get players to match your scheme?? is too long of a time frame it appears based on where the trends are heading. {Was 4 years really a realistic time line for Napier?}
1) Players portal'ing every year
2) Fans donors now have more say on who stays and who goes
3) Coordinators moving on to move up the ladder to HC jobs
4) The really good players leaving early for the NFL

You will never have any continuity much less any team chemistry in any one year to speak of, so this really becomes more or a less a crapshoot as to what team will have certain factors all line up, via happenstance for the more optimal combination of those factors, than other teams do in any particular year.

Indiana seems to have things aligning for them this year
College football has changed forever and the Genie isn't going back in the bottle.

Franklin is gone because he refused to use what was given to him. He also went over Kraft's head to the BOT to get a raise and wasn't the 1st time only this time blew it up in his face. He also did it to Sandy going to get his raise but glad she's gone too.

Kraft laid out what was needed by the next HC and that doesn't look anything like Rhule. The choice will obviously come from what has been the fan determined 2nd tier list and I'm just fine with that because there are some on that list who are great in their own right just not at a Blue Blood University yet.

Let's get it done so we can move on and forward to better things.
 
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Thus the problem with coach self perceived long term security/vision vice the win now concept else lose your job. The long term security concept wont last past the donors and fans that want to win now. 2-3 years to get players to match your scheme?? is too long of a time frame it appears based on where the trends are heading. {Was 4 years really a realistic time line for Napier?}
1) Players portal'ing every year
2) Fans donors now have more say on who stays and who goes
3) Coordinators moving on to move up the ladder to HC jobs
4) The really good players leaving early for the NFL

You will never have any continuity much less any team chemistry in any one year to speak of, so this really becomes more or a less a crapshoot as to what team will have certain factors all line up, via happenstance for the more optimal combination of those factors, than other teams do in any particular year.

Indiana seems to have things aligning for them this year
Isn't the average stay at a school as the HC about 5 years? So in that sense not much will actually change?
 

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College football has changed forever and the Genie isn't going back in the bottle.

Franklin is gone because he refused to use what was given to him. He also went over Kraft's head to the BOT to get a raise and wasn't the 1st time only this time blew it up in his face. He also did it to Sandy going to get his raise but glad she's gone too.

Kraft laid out what was needed by the next HC and that doesn't look anything like Rhule. The choice will obviously come from what has been the fan determined 2nd tier list and I'm just fine with that because there are some on that list who are great in their own right just not at a Blue Blood University yet.

Let's get it done so we can move on and forward to better things.
Some of what Kraft laid out fits Rhule. He talked about fitting in at PSU and embracing the blue collar toughness or something like that. I am not advocating for Rhule but he does check some boxes and is a candidate. I think we can get a better candidate.
 

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Isn't the average stay at a school as the HC about 5 years? So in that sense not much will actually change?
It will change if fan bases and donors are not winning as soon as they like, it will be a shorter leash for sure... Napier was 4 years right? can you honestly expect a winner in under 4 years after you change a coach? Florida does expect one, apparently

winner being defined as (getting to a Playoffs/Natty if all resources are available to you per krafty's manifesto)

What if PSU doesn't sniff playoffs after 4 years of hire-- will that be acceptable to the donors what is the actual timeline to get 'it' done what ever "it" is?

does getting to the playoffs buy you time?
does getting the natty game buy you time?
presumably winning a Natty buys you time
 

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It will change if fan bases and donors are not winning as soon as they like, it will be a shorter leash for sure... Napier was 4 years right? can you honestly expect a winner in under 4 years after you change a coach? Florida does expect one, apparently

winner being defined as (getting to a Playoffs/Natty if all resources are available to you per krafty's manifesto)

What if PSU doesn't sniff playoffs after 4 years of hire-- will that be acceptable to the donors what is the actual timeline to get 'it' done what ever "it" is?

does getting to the playoffs buy you time?
does getting the natty game buy you time?
presumably winning a Natty buys you time
Indiana has upped their win totals 2 yrs in a row after a new HC.
 

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Some of what Kraft laid out fits Rhule. He talked about fitting in at PSU and embracing the blue collar toughness or something like that. I am not advocating for Rhule but he does check some boxes and is a candidate. I think know we can get a better candidate.
FIFY
 

NoSoup4U

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There

There was no place to go but up after going 3-9, 4-8 and 2-10 the previous 3 years under Allen
And the players he has -he worked with at JMU so his players are 3 years into his system. So his team continuity is more cohesive than other teams. So they clearly have some factors other teams don’t working in their favor.

so by the statement made does psu need to win 6 games next year and 9-10 the following to match Indianas current success? What if they don’t —-do the donors say hey look at Indiana your fired?
 

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It will change if fan bases and donors are not winning as soon as they like, it will be a shorter leash for sure... Napier was 4 years right? can you honestly expect a winner in under 4 years after you change a coach? Florida does expect one, apparently

winner being defined as (getting to a Playoffs/Natty if all resources are available to you per krafty's manifesto)

What if PSU doesn't sniff playoffs after 4 years of hire-- will that be acceptable to the donors what is the actual timeline to get 'it' done what ever "it" is?

does getting to the playoffs buy you time?
does getting the natty game buy you time?
presumably winning a Natty buys you time
Well Indiana did it OR didn't seem to miss a beat OSU did it so it can be done.

The admin at FL is a mess as it is at FSU.