“Conservatives,” meaning Republicans, block Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill. 😲

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Just for me personally, I'm thrilled all loser Dems can do right now is sit by and watch helplessly at whatever gets spent or doesn't get spent? They're not only out of effective leadership offering better alternative ideas, but thankfully out-of-power to have any say in anything anymore. Of course they'll stand by as rock solid obstructionists and childish whiners against every deficit producing dollar that's eliminated from future projected rates of deficit growth, but rest assured you won't hear one legitimate proposal from their worthless party leaders to cut even one penny from our trillion dollar plus deficits. :rolleyes:

So it's a relief not paying attention to anything Dems or their mindless voters have to say. I'm just thankful they've all been banished to the cheap seats like little children to just sit by & watch the grown-ups play monopoly with the Federal budget.

*the only thing more fun than watching losing Dem voters cry after being soundly defeated at the polls, is watching their losing leaders cry being out-of-power and unable to direct where the tax dollars flow. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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The American people spoke clearly on November 5th.The One Big, Beautiful Bill answers that call by revitalizing manufacturing, enacting pro-growth tax reform, and implementing targeted spending reductions to ensure long-term fiscal responsibility.It’s not just policy; it’s a promise kept to working families across this country.Now is the time to deliver.
 

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When does no tax on tips, overtime, or SS start? Here's what's in the 'Big Beautiful Bill'

It's not perfect by any stretch of the fiscal measuring stick, but there are some good things in this "big beautiful bill" that's about to pass the House. Here's a look at some of the good stuff that's in there.

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While speaking at a recent forum in the Middle East, Trump said Congress was "on the verge of passing the largest tax and regulation cuts in American history." Adding, “If we get that, that will be like a rocket ship for our country.”

The One, Big Beautiful Bill is a proposed tax and spending package aimed at making the 2017 tax cuts permanent, expand certain tax credits, and include other provisions related to energy, health care, and possibly increased border security funding, changes to food stamps programs or the creation of savings accounts for newborns, according to news sources. Trump's ambitious legislative agenda includes delivering on his promises: no tax on tips, no taxes on overtime, no taxes on loan interest for American-made cars, no taxes on Social Security and tax relief for seniors.

...more

Details in the plan include deep cuts to Medicaid, calling for states to impose work requirements on childless, able-bodied adults ages 19-64, more frequent eligibility checks, block Medicaid funding for non-citizens, and a ban on Medicaid covering gender transition services for minor

Read about more provisions here

 
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When does no tax on tips, overtime, or SS start? Here's what's in the 'Big Beautiful Bill'

It's not perfect by any stretch of the fiscal measuring stick, but there are some good things in this "big beautiful bill" that's about to pass the House. Here's a look at some of the good stuff that's in there.

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While speaking at a recent forum in the Middle East, Trump said Congress was "on the verge of passing the largest tax and regulation cuts in American history." Adding, “If we get that, that will be like a rocket ship for our country.”

The One, Big Beautiful Bill is a proposed tax and spending package aimed at making the 2017 tax cuts permanent, expand certain tax credits, and include other provisions related to energy, health care, and possibly increased border security funding, changes to food stamps programs or the creation of savings accounts for newborns, according to news sources. Trump's ambitious legislative agenda includes delivering on his promises: no tax on tips, no taxes on overtime, no taxes on loan interest for American-made cars, no taxes on Social Security and tax relief for seniors.

...more

Details in the plan include deep cuts to Medicaid, calling for states to impose work requirements on childless, able-bodied adults ages 19-64, more frequent eligibility checks, block Medicaid funding for non-citizens, and a ban on Medicaid covering gender transition services for minor

Read about more provisions here

There is nothing good in it. $6 trillion more additional debt over 10 years.
 

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As a Conservative you obviously support what Ronald Reagan started during his Administration. Right?



Just fvcking stop. You’re not going to shame any of us for not supporting this in its current version. As someone supportive of MAGA you should be pissed off about it current form. It’s not what you voted for either.

Until they kill the GND stuff, implement the DOGE cuts now, (not in 5 years from now), start the Medicaid applicability stuff now and not years from now, this bill is dogshit. It’s fine to call it dogshit.
 

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There is nothing good in it. $6 trillion more additional debt over 10 years.
The only way you can assume that is using CBO's "projections" which are based on a static analysis which doesn't account for new investments, additional revenues due to tax cuts, as well as an economy that they always underestimate for growth. I do agree there is still too much spending, but there are some significant reductions in the rates of growth of our ongoing deficits too.

True these chronic deficits have not been totally eliminated, but they won't be growing as fast, and if we use dynamic scoring taking into account increased revenues from lower taxes and expanded economic activity, then these deficit projections could be a lot lower than they otherwise would be without this package.

I'm not happy with these deficits. However it's going to take some time to get all the deficit spending under control, and this bill is a good start. It's a great relief for American taxpayers if it's nothing else.
 
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Just fvcking stop. You’re not going to shame any of us for not supporting this in its current version. As someone supportive of MAGA you should be pissed off about it current form. It’s not what you voted for either.

Until they kill the GND stuff, implement the DOGE cuts now, (not in 5 years from now), start the Medicaid applicability stuff now and not years from now, this bill is dogshit. It’s fine to call it dogshit.

I don't take orders from people pretending to be a Marine. I voted for Trump as President. I understand I'm not going to get everything I want. The bill will be what can get passed through Congress and the Senate because that's how a Representative Constitutional Republic works. Get on your fake boat and take your *** to Venezuela if you don't like it.
 

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I don't take orders from people pretending to be a Marine. I voted for Trump as President. I understand I'm not going to get everything I want. The bill will be what can get passed through Congress and the Senate because that's how a Representative Constitutional Republic works. Get on your fake boat and take your *** to Venezuela if don't like it.
The liberal SALT alliance and the very few actual conservatives left in the House are no's. This bill isn't going anywhere right now as it stands.
 

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The liberal SALT alliance and the very few actual conservatives left in the House are no's. This bill isn't going anywhere right now as it stands.

Correct the Salt **** sucks. Now do the math and let me know if they can get anything passed without the help of the Congressmen that want it for their State. If not their will have to be compromise. Period.

I can't help but notice about 200 DEMOCRATS in Congress not doing anything to help Americans except pouting. Just a great big **** you to everyone.
 
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Just fvcking stop. You’re not going to shame any of us for not supporting this in its current version. As someone supportive of MAGA you should be pissed off about it current form. It’s not what you voted for either.

Until they kill the GND stuff, implement the DOGE cuts now, (not in 5 years from now), start the Medicaid applicability stuff now and not years from now, this bill is dogshit. It’s fine to call it dogshit.
I share some of your concerns about this spending plan. Too much of it is the same old Washington BS... (promised spending cuts in future years) however there are real tax savings, and real spending reductions in it. While it's fair to criticize all that we'd like to see that's not in it, it's unfair to call the whole thing "dogsh*t". I'll keep my tax cuts, small businesses will benefit from their tax cuts too, as well as folks who earn tips, overtime, or live on fixed incomes.

I'm doing what Trump suggested and not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. This bill certainly is not perfect and has flaws, but it's still a good bill to start our recovery towards more fiscal accountability. I hope it passes, and I think it will. Then the Senate gets it, will make hopefully even better adjustments to it, then the final package gets sent to the President after reconciliation with the House version for his signing.

Let's push for that, instead of trashing the whole thing and getting nothing.
 

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Correct the Salt **** sucks. Now do the math and let me know if they can get anything passed without the help of the Congressmen that want it for their State. If not their will have to be compromise. Period.

I can't help but notice about 200 DEMOCRATS in Congress not doing anything to help Americans except pouting. Just a great big **** you to everyone.
Your decision was to negotiate with the liberal side rather than the conservative. That tells me a lot
 

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Your decision was to negotiate with the liberal side rather than the conservative. That tells me a lot

The bill is going to eventually pass. Probably sooner than later. There will be compromise. Because that's what it will take to pass it. I realize that Trump getting a win really hurts your feelings but that's your problem. At least you will have 200 of your fellow liberal Democrat friends to cry with after it does.
 
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I don't take orders from people pretending to be a Marine. I voted for Trump as President. I understand I'm not going to get everything I want. The bill will be what can get passed through Congress and the Senate because that's how a Representative Constitutional Republic works. Get on your fake boat and take your *** to Venezuela if you don't like it.
Wow.
 

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@Cheers talks a big game, but can't back up the talk.

Pretty much the mo of most bleaters/leftists/Democrats and a few Republicans.
 

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@Cheers talks a big game, but can't back up the talk.

Pretty much the mo of most bleaters/leftists/Democrats and a few Republicans.


I dare the Democrats in Congress to vote no.









The Senate did pass the No Tax on Tips Act unanimously on May 20, 2025, as reported by NBC News, The Hill, and Axios. It aims to exempt tips from federal income tax, a promise from Trump's 2024 campaign. However, it’s not law yet—House approval is needed. Supporters say it helps service workers, but critics warn it could lower base pay, expand tipping, and cut federal revenue. The impact depends on implementation and House action.
 

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I don't take orders from people pretending to be a Marine. I voted for Trump as President. I understand I'm not going to get everything I want. The bill will be what can get passed through Congress and the Senate because that's how a Representative Constitutional Republic works. Get on your fake boat and take your *** to Venezuela if you don't like it.
Hahahahhaha so butt hurt.
 

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The liberal SALT alliance and the very few actual conservatives left in the House are no's. This bill isn't going anywhere right now as it stands.
I’d hold the vote, and shut it all down when it doesn’t pass. Have those tax increases hit and blame it right on the Dems. “We tried, they wouldn’t get on board because they want open borders and a dependency state vs protecting Americans’ pocketbook.”

One simply needs to wreck the ship for the people to get off.
 

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Hahahahhaha so butt hurt.

The bill is going to eventually pass. Probably sooner than later. There will be compromise. Because that's what it will take to pass it. I realize that Trump getting a win really hurts your feelings but that's your problem. At least you will have 200 of your fellow liberal Democrat friends to cry with after it does.


Not at all goofball.
 

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I’d hold the vote, and shut it all down when it doesn’t pass. Have those tax increases hit and blame it right on the Dems. “We tried, they wouldn’t get on board because they want open borders and a dependency state vs protecting Americans’ pocketbook.”

One simply needs to wreck the ship for the people to get off.
Nope sorry disagree here. Pass the bill even with it's flaws (Dems will still vote against all of it) then when the benefits of the tax cuts, reduced regulations on businesses, and lower energy costs, all start piling up as the economy improves, make sure voters know Dems wanted no parts of any of it!

By the time the mid terms come around and we're humming along at 4% or more growth with low inflation...ask voters do 'ya like the way things are going now, or should we go back to putting Democrats in charge with their open borders and high gasoline prices?

Wipe them out. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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I’d hold the vote, and shut it all down when it doesn’t pass. Have those tax increases hit and blame it right on the Dems. “We tried, they wouldn’t get on board because they want open borders and a dependency state vs protecting Americans’ pocketbook.”

One simply needs to wreck the ship for the people to get off.
That strategy worked for Clinton. I don't disagree.
 

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Nope sorry disagree here. Pass the bill even with it's flaws (Dems will still vote against all of it) then when the benefits of the tax cuts, reduced regulations on businesses, and lower energy costs, all start piling up as the economy improves, make sure voters know Dems wanted no parts of any of it!

By the time the mid terms come around and we're humming along at 4% or more growth with low inflation...ask voters do 'ya like the way things are going now, or should we go back to putting Democrats in charge with their open borders and high gasoline prices?

Wipe them out. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Forgive my ignorance but tell me how the 2500 child tax credit works ? Then tell me who in there right mind would ok the government to hold a savings for there children? We all see how those bastards go through our S.S.
If I was in Congress I would be loudly disagreeing with this bill , I may end up voting for it but I disagree with some of it . I'm happy hearing people fight against the parts that suck .
 

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Forgive my ignorance but tell me how the 2500 child tax credit works ? Then tell me who in there right mind would ok the government to hold a savings for there children? We all see how those bastards go through our S.S.
If I was in Congress I would be loudly disagreeing with this bill , I may end up voting for it but I disagree with some of it . I'm happy hearing people fight against the parts that suck .
The child tax credit as I understand it simply expands the existing 1000.00 child tax deduction parents can claim on their taxes. It essentially lowers your taxable income if you have children. The savings component is a way for parents to set aside money for expenses like education, without being taxed on their earnings. It's similar to a Roth IRA, where the taxes are deferred until or unless you withdraw the savings.
 

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FACT: The One, Big, Beautiful Bill includes $1.6 trillion in mandatory savings — the most in U.S. history.FACT: When the One, Big, Beautiful Bill passes,
@POTUS
will have taken action to reduce deficits by $7+ trillion in just five months.FACT: The One, Big, Beautiful Bill achieves substantially more mandatory spending reductions than the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 ($140B), the Balanced Budget Act of 1997 ($650B), the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 ($367B), and the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 ($440B) on an inflation-adjusted basis
 

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The child tax credit as I understand it simply expands the existing 1000.00 child tax deduction parents can claim on their taxes. It essentially lowers your taxable income if you have children. The savings component is a way for parents to set aside money for expenses like education, without being taxed on their earnings. It's similar to a Roth IRA, where the taxes are deferred until or unless you withdraw the savings.

"We have to pass the bill to see what's really in the bill".