148 F'in pitches.... really

ScoobaDawg

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Im as huge a Cohen fan as anyone...

but that is irresponsible to leave a pitcher out there so long.
and John is chewing his *** in the bullpen.

Come on Coach..thats just not right.
 

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Im as huge a Cohen fan as anyone...

but that is irresponsible to leave a pitcher out there so long.
and John is chewing his *** in the bullpen.

Come on Coach..thats just not right.
 

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Im as huge a Cohen fan as anyone...

but that is irresponsible to leave a pitcher out there so long.
and John is chewing his *** in the bullpen.

Come on Coach..thats just not right.
 

ScoobaDawg

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Im as huge a Cohen fan as anyone...

but that is irresponsible to leave a pitcher out there so long.
and John is chewing his *** in the bullpen.

Come on Coach..thats just not right.
 

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I know the bullpen is terrible but that bordered on insanity. A kid that young with the game probably out of reach has no business being left in there that long. Cohen may be trying to make a statement to the bullpen but I think this could jeopardize the career of Whitney. You can tear a kids arm up doing that. I'm pretty pissed at Cohen. This is going too far. I dont think I can ever remember someone pitching 148 pitches in a game.
 

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he left him in a tad too long, but Whitney is a pitcher that nitpicks and throws alot of offspeed stuff...Him throwing that many pitches isnt that bad a thing, but he should have never taken the mound in the 8th...</p>

He will get 7 days rest...he will be fine</p>
 

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its a lot of pitches, but its not like he does this every week. Cohen is trying to win ballgames (there is a reason Hayes was brought in in relief). Its amazing how much our coach is getting nitpicked on things. Bad teams find a way to lose and Whitney's pitch count had nothing to do with Sneed's throwing error, the first 5 runs he gave up or most importantly, the fact that we never threatened to score runs.
 

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have watched a lot of LSU when Skip Bertman was there. There were times I wondered how Lane Mestepey's arm didn't fall off.
 

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I dont care if he gets a month of rest. He had no business being in there. The bullpen blows, we know it. But get someone else in there. We were down 4 runs, and Tennessee's staff had our number the whole night, so we probably werent coming back. Give the bullpen a chance to maybe regain some confidence and take Whitney out. What did keeping Whitney in the game do for our team, or for Whitney? Absolutely nothing. Keeping him in did nothing.
 

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mstatefan88 said:
I know the bullpen is terrible but that bordered on insanity. A kid that young with the game probably out of reach has no business being left in there that long. Cohen may be trying to make a statement to the bullpen but I think this could jeopardize the career of Whitney. You can tear a kids arm up doing that. I'm pretty pissed at Cohen. This is going too far. I dont think I can ever remember someone pitching 148 pitches in a game.

First off, I like Cohen, and Tyler Whitney's arm will likely be fine and have no trouble recovering considering the way he throws. However, tonight Cohen went overboard. He may be trying to make a statement to the bullpen, but by leaving a pitcher like Tyler Whitney out there to dry in a game in which we appeared to have little momentum towards making competitive at the end, he risks losing the respect of the handful of good ballplayers that he does have.
 

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meant we didn't have to throw anyone else.

As I said above, there is a reason Hayes came in...at that point, we just didn't need to waste arms.
 

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Lane's arm did eventually fall off. By the end of his time at LSU he was a shell of what he once was due to arm troubles. You're right though-Bertman wasn't scared to throw a kids arm out if it meant he could save his pen for one more day.
 

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My buddy just alerted me that Whitney threw 123 pitches last week. I love Cohen, but this is just wrong. In a 2-1 game, maybe, MAYBE, just this once, I see letting Whitney go so long. But down 5-1, and having thrown 123 pitches the week before, you CAN'T leave Whitney in so long. You just can't. It's WRONG. Entirely irresponsible. Whitney may not ever be worth a **** aGAIN after throwing so many pitches in 2 weeks.
 

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is that Cohen isnt worried about any player's major league career or future. Its just like Bertman- he is worried about making his team successful for the time they are on campus...

Get used to that- thats the future
 

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ScoobaDawg said:
Im as huge a Cohen fan as anyone...

but that is irresponsible to leave a pitcher out there so long.
and John is chewing his *** in the bullpen.

Come on Coach..thats just not right.
...is too much for a college kid to throw. Maybe Tyler Whitney doesn't have a pro future, probably doesn't, but he may have set a modern pitch count record for MSU in the Polk+Cohen era.
 

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same with McDonald and Ogea. Bertman understood his job was to win games, not be a feeder for the pros. I like seeing Bulldogs in the majors as much as the next guy, but it's about winning here.

That being said, we weren't winning tonight, and I don't fully understand why we would keep him in. But I won't act like I've never seen it before.</p>
 

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Coach34 said:
is that Cohen isnt worried about any player's major league career or future. Its just like Bertman- he is worried about making his team successful for the time they are on campus...

Get used to that- thats the future
I hate to write the following on the sixpack and sound like croom, but I don't think that is the "right way"

You have to have at least some concern for your players futures
 

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Colena threw 23 pitches on friday and then went 130 against Georgia.

<font size="2">"I told Coach it's a privilege to be here. If I can throw every game -- close Friday and Saturday and start Sunday -- I'll do it. By no means am I worried about playing at the next level. That's what I want to do, but if for some reason my arm falls off and we win the national championship, I'll just go get a real job." - Louis Coleman 3-26-09
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Cohen is paid to win games. Regardless, Whitney's arm will be fine despite everyone freaking out about this. He's gone over 100 pitches twice in 7 outings I think. People are just looking for stuff to be overeactive to. Its nice to have a coach that wants to win.
 
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If we were taking a close lead into the 9th, I would understand it. But we weren't. We were getting beat by 4 runs heading into the 9th.

I am as big a fan of Cohen as anyone else. But I don't like the fact that Whitney threw 150 pitches tonight. It just didn't make sense.
 

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when our passing game gets shut down, so we give Dixon 43 carries in one game, will people freak out on Mullen?
 

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Case in point, I've dogged "Phil" Pogue's incompetent *** for giving the ball to Nick Parker 60 times a playoff game this past season. At some point, it's just wrong and should be called out. I want to win, but some lines shouldn't be crossed. I've defended Cohen, and will probably continue to defend him, but what happened tonight was wrong. Period.
 

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South Panola Dawg said:
Case in point, I've dogged "Phil" Pogue's incompetent *** for giving the ball to Nick Parker 60 times a playoff game this past season. At some point, it's just wrong and should be called out. I want to win, but some lines shouldn't be crossed. I've defended Cohen, and will probably continue to defend him, but what happened tonight was wrong. Period.
After what Pogue did, if I were Nicholas Parker, I might go play at North Delta for my senior season. Why risk your SEC career? He's already proven himself and could take a year off chasing the opponent's defensive players around to run over all of them on his way to a touchdown. It's not like he would receive bad coaching: North Delta has the most overqualified head coach in high school football anyway with Dan Werner.
 

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is what cost SP the state championship. Pogue tried to get cute and lost.
 

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I'm responding to a bunch of people and I don't want to wait one minute in between posts, so I'm going to condense this into one

First of all- THIS is Whitney's career. I highly doubt he will ever set foot on a MLB mound as a pitcher, unless it's to throw out the ceremonial first pitch. He's not going anywhere after MSU. We might as well get out of him what we can. I have a feeling that this is sort of an anamoly because with a normal team with a functional bullpen instead of a dead ball era style four man staff, Cohen is known to have a quick hook.

Secondly- What was Cohen thinking? We're facing the worst team in the SEC and odds are they are going to throw someone that we will hit. I'm sure that UT throwing their Sunday starter didn't really cross Cohen's mind- or really anyone other than Todd Raleigh, the UT coach. We might as well leave in the guy that gives us the best chance to keep us in the game. Hint- that's NOT Jared Wesson or Caleb Reed. He also saved Bowen and Crosswhite for tommorrow and Sunday- Crosswhite pitched five innings on Thurs. and Pace, who has also looked decent- relative to the rest of the bullpen- pitched four. I know Routt typically eats innings, but you can't count on that either. Also, I suspect that Bowen is going to start the Gov. Cup, so we need to save him if we can. Bottom line- you have to do crazy stuff sometimes when you have a staff like ours. Which is incredibly thin.

Next- Most pitches by a college pitcher that I've seen? Officially, Jared Weaver threw 165 in a SR game at Long Beach State. Apparently they didn't scar him enough to keep him from pitching for the Angels. The oft mentioned Lane Mestapay once started game one of a SR, pitched a complete game AND THEN pitched in relief the NEXT TWO games, including something like 4-5 in the Championship Game. The least LSU could do is retire his number, or at least give him a luxury box, or allow him to be entertained by a Golden Girl of his choice after she is proven free of STD's. Actually a combination of all the above would suffice. Saint Ron Polk nearly wore Eric DuBose out many times.

Finally- here's the thing. And I know that as MSU fans we are not used to this, since we have been the paragon of baseball virtue since 1976. John Cohen is doing EVERYTHING that he can do to win. He's doing EVERYTHING that he can to make us better. He's not some madman that wakes up and says- "I'm going to make Tyler Whitney throw 200 pitches and then ream his *** in the dugout." He's actually thinking about ways to beat people rather than worry about how classy the team looks. People are going to have to get used to it. It's called accountability. That means if you don't perform, you're going to get chewed out. That means that you have to have talent to come to MSU to play baseball. Just coming to the camp and having good grades just isn't good enough anymore. That means that we're going to do our best to win, and sometimes that's going to piss the other team off, and they may mean that they say something mean about MSU's team. This is NOT rec. league. Not everyone gets a trophy. There is no trophy for sportsmanship in the SEC. They keep score. And these are not little league kids. These are grown men, and if they are even halfway worth their salt, they'll want to win and get better. And that may mean that they get yelled at if they don't perform. And they need to understand that when the coaches yell at them, it's not a personal attack, it's to simply make them better. And I have yet to see a player complain about getting yelled at.
 

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It probably cost us The Streak and another championship. But Pogue wasn't "getting cute." He's a dumbass that gets way too conservative when the heat is on and it matters. He's a choker. That's his rep. It's like Crxxms coaching with a lead in big games.
 

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and if he threw 50, there'd be folks bitchin he wasn't in there long enough and didn't get a chance to redeem himself.. or the offense just didn't help him out. <17> it.. just hire polk back and play ***** ball.
 

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and if he threw 50, there'd be folks bitchin he wasn't in there long enough and didn't get a chance to redeem himself.. or the offense just
didn't help him out. <17> it.. just hire polk back and play ***** ball.

Polk III.
 

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Even his calling out players in the media. Polk didn't leave us **** to work with, and if I were coaching, I'd probably be saying the same things Cohen is. But for me, what happened tonight was wrong. Period. Like I said previously, in a 2-1 game, MAYBE I see letting Whitney stay in and pitch. But not in a 5-1, then 6-1 game.
 

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Hey guys, there's a thread almost identical to this one over at the pasture...think about that for a minute, and then quit your bitching.

The kid throwing that number of pitches one time isn't really that big of a deal. If it becomes a weekly occurrence, then you might have a legitimate complaint. Until that happens, just let Cohen coach.
 

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hasn't one of the huge 17'ing complaints of the Polk years been that McNickle overworked his pitchers' arms?

Isn't that EXACTLY what Cohen did tonight?

There's no excuse for any pitcher to be in there 148 pitches in college. None. And then to get chewed in the dugout? Geez.
 

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ScoobaDawg said:
Colena threw 23 pitches on friday and then went 130 against Georgia.

<font size="2">"I told Coach it's a privilege to be here. If I can
throw every game -- close Friday and Saturday and start Sunday -- I'll
do it. By no means am I worried about playing at the next level. That's
what I want to do, but if for some reason my arm falls off and we win
the national championship, I'll just go get a real job." - Louis
Coleman 3-26-09
</font>

And Louis Coleman is a 17'ing retard if he actually said that.