Our offense has been shutout in the first quarter 8 times and in the first half 4 times.
16 games with Satterfield
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Seems someone's not earning their paycheck.
I get that it takes time, but at the bare minimum, we should have identity by now. We can't even put a finger on what we're trying to do offensively, and coaches comments only muddy the water. For sake of comparison:
In 2020, we were 95th in the nation with 23.5 ppg. UT was 108th with 21.5 ppg. In 2021, in our first year under Beamer, we dropped to 109th with 20.7 ppg, while UT jumped to #7 with 37.9 ppg in their first year under Heupel. This year we sit at 81st with 24 ppg while UT is at #2 with 52 ppg. Obviously UT won't be as high as 52 ppg once they get into their SEC schedule, but somehow, Heupel was able to go in and totally revamp their offense in year 1, with the pieces they had in place at the time, and he was hired nearly 2 months after Beamer.
Heupel managed to take one of the worst scoring offenses in the country...even worse than ours...and turn it into a top 10 offense in his first season, using the players that he inherited. Meanwhile, we're 16 games in and we're still searching for an identity. I hate to pull the plug on yet another OC, but Satterfield hasn't done anything up to this point to warrant his retention.
Heupel was in my group of 3 (along with Napier and Coastal's Jamie Chadwell) to replace Muschamp. For whatever reason, Battleship Texas did not like him and said he'd be a bad hire. I believe he is a good coach and will make UT a force again.
Just does not make sense!! Proven D1 coaches were available and we took a unproven, never even been a coordinator. Hope I’m proven wrong!! Right now not looking good!!
I'm not in the Chadwell camp. Jury is still out for me on Napier. I don't think a lot of folks were looking at Heupel at that point, but UT made the connection b/c they hired his former AD. There was a lot of skepticism about the Heupel hire among the UT folks at the time, so it was far from a home run hire at the time. It's looking pretty good so far, but they haven't had any conference games yet this year, so we'll see.
The main thing that puzzles me is that Heupel managed to take the existing talent that had a worse offense than us in 2020 and make them a top 10 offense in his first season.
Note Ole Miss too.
Remember when we had a chance to hire Lane Kiffin? But decided we were too good for him. Good times.
Remember when we had a chance to hire Lane Kiffin? But decided we were too good for him. Good times.
He got a QB from Virginia Tech that he could really lean on and took to his system. 31 TD's to just 3 INT's and also had 620 rushing yards last season as well.
Of course last season for Satterfield they did remarkably well considering the QB situation. This year, there is still promise, but they've got to figure out how to use Rattler. That will be the real mark of his ability as an OC. I was hopeful that he would be able to identify and adjust more considering how he played to four different QB's strengths last year.
Well, to be fair, nobody else has hired Freeze (or Chadwell for that matter). Freeze's overall record while he was at Ole Miss was just ok, and that was with rampant cheating.
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Go back to the point of origin: Post CV, finances were down, hired a rooking HC, etc. Mistakes were bound to happen. Shane will figure this out.
I remain convinced our way out of the cellar is with dual threat guys who can open up an offense with big plays.
See this?
If Heupel can develop a defense to go with his offense, they could be scary good. They killed us last year in quick fashion. How they do this year, remains to be seen. I will add that I'm surprised just how well he has done in recruiting. Of course maybe anyone can recruit well at UT. Then again, Derek Dooley might have disproven that.
Agreed.
I can't help but look at that program as a direct comparison of what things could be like if we'd hired someone different.
Absolutely. Right now, it looks like RT fked up or, as I suspect more likely, the BOT fked up. But, it's still only 3 games. Will know more later.
Caldwell, why hasn't ANYONE hired him if he is all that? I keep waiting for him to bust out according to his lovers on this site.
Laugh all you want. I painfully watched all our games again….in real time you get pissed cause a play didn’t work but you’re on to the next play.
The second time, I look at why it didn’t work. Let’s just say players are accountable. You can also see what appears as half hearted attempts by some of our so called playmakers. It’s like they have butts on shoulders because they aren’t being used/targeted or whatever. Lineman double teaming the same guy while letting another person (who was lined up in front of them to begin with) run untouched into the backfield to blow up running and passing plays. Whiffed pull blocks with which a little more effort would have sprung the RB.
so yeah, coaches are accountable in the end….but unless you weed out the “entitled” players these days, you won’t be successful. This is why players feel like they can do podcasts criticizing coaches when they themselves are underperforming. I get no separation from a CB, but youshoud still throw it to me. The player is getting paid his NIL money, and can leave if the coach gets on him for anything. I bet players leave programs if they are told to run the bleachers these days.
So yeah, if the players want all this control, they are accountable. Conversely, these coaches get paid tons of money, so they are accountable for the final result. Now it’s up to them to figure it out. My two cents for the day
I agree, players should be held accountable but that 3rd and 6 play call was terrible even if blocked perfectly wasn't fooling anybody,that's my two cents
I’ll bet you don’t blame Biden or Pelosi for the crappy economy either.
It’s the guy at the top, Dude.
FIFY. Remember he considered himself a genius at hiring coaches because of his success in hiring a coach at Army. He and a few members of the BOT took over the process. We lost Napier as a result.
agree. Those of us living in reality recognize this. I am hopeful no matter what....but I believe we will see the same outcome that was on the horizon when he was given the job of OC.
They were 1-0 vs. us in maybe the most embarrassing game of the year (Clemson game maybe is worse).
Add up their wins this year and next, and do the same for us to get a true outlook. The blatant luck we were graced with last year doesn't happen twice in an SEC decade...much less back to back years.
so...is USC the only university with entitled players....and all on offense?
Attempting to do what Satterfield is doing with the talent we have on campus...AND with the talent we can get on campus going forward - is absurd. If you have GA, Bama, LSU, UF talent...you can do whatever you want on offense.
Not to say we need a gimmick offense...but we need a system offense. Not some thrown together offense from scrap plays from other systems. The proof is in the pudding that this does not work.
That's a cool story bro, but Huepel was never coming here. He was always following his old AD at UCF.
And how many games did they win last year? And how many did we win, with a grad assistant/receiver/hurt player at QB?
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Perhaps. No guarantees in choosing a coach. He seemed to be the best candidate for the job at the time.
Yet you were all creamypants over Harsin at Auburn.
Auburn Did Its Football Coaching Hire Right | GamecockScoop (rivals.com)
"They went out and hired a coach with head coaching experience. A Head Football Coach who won 4 conference championships in 8 years, plus 3 division championships in 3 of the other 4 seasons. The hiring authorities at Auburn did not care whether the new coach had recruiting ties in that part of the country. They went out and hired a young, successful coach who will establish recruiting ties. He is 44 years of age. Saban is 69 and has a lot fewer years ahead of him than behind. Kudos to Auburn" - gamecock stock Oct 16 2021
Hell, I thought Bryan Harsin was a good hire for Auburn. LOL. Who knows, he might still end up being that. I've said this before and I'll say it again: going back to the Jim Carlin hire, every Head Coach we have hired from Carlin on, the only ones who had any kind of success here were those who had successful Head Coaching experience prior to coming to Carolina. The others were unmitigated failures. There's no guarantee that someone who won before will win again (ex: Harsin), but it does increase your chances for success.
If Beamer is a success here, he will be the first Head Coach without prior Head Coaching experience to be that at USC. I'm strongly pulling for him.
Hey I admitted that here months ago, creating a thread on that. You must have missed it.
I'm pulling for Beamer.
Read what I posted right above this.
On May 24, I started a thread "OT: Paul McCartney and a Worse Prediction Than Mine", The last sentence in the thread I started was: "That makes my bad prediction that Auburn got its football hire right by hiring Bryan Harsin tame in comparison".
I stand by what I previously said: that every Head Coach hire in football by Carolina since 1975 finds only those (4) with successful Head Coaching experience had any success here. The other 4 who had no Head Coaching experience were unmitigated failures. That is a fact.
I'm pulling for Beamer, as I believe everyone here is.
By the way Josh Heupel is now 4-0 with wins over 2 Top 20 teams. Billy Napier at Florida is 2-2, with losses to 2 Top 20 teams and a win over Utah which was in the Top 10 at the time. I believe the future for both those programs is bright.
How many are we wining with a former “heisman” candidate? Excuses. Watch tenn play and watch our team. Apples and oranges. They’re a legit program …top 25 type team. I don’t think we are a top 75 team
Not only that, I'm pretty sure that Tennessee was in worse shape than us, losing a lot of players through the portal after Heupel was hired, They may have lost more through the portal than anyone in the country. Coaching makes a difference. I'm not saying we could have hired him. I am saying that Tennessee fans are now smiling. They killed us 45-20 last year. We owe them pay back.
Nope. They still had more 5 and 4 stars on the team than we did, and they weren't starting a grad student named Zebuliah at QB.