Sounds like a good story, except it ignores the massive jump in stats when Hooker started playing for Huepel.
I would be tempted to ignore that too, but like to think I could own up to a faulty opinion in the face of contradicting facts.
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Sounds like a good story, except it ignores the massive jump in stats when Hooker started playing for Huepel.
I would be tempted to ignore that too, but like to think I could own up to a faulty opinion in the face of contradicting facts.
You mean the guy that got injured?
You're argument against actual facts is the idea that the injured qb on the bench didn't also have good stats?
He wasn't good before the injury. One good quarter against Bowling Green and that was it. Too bad it took an injury to get their best QB, by far, on the field.
https://www.knoxnews.com/story/spor...football-vs-pitt-joe-milton-exits/8296856002/
You mean you didn't like that one blowout game against bowling Green? Seems a rush to judgement there.
I get that you're going to cling to this to try escape the facts of hookers stats. You're trying to argue that huepel can't have "coached up" hooker, because you claim he didn't do it in that one blowout game against a patsy with Milton.
Does it sound as ridiculous to you as it does to me when you see it typed out?
Here's those stats again, they're very telling.
Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)
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The fact that he chose Milton over Hooker to begin with proves my point. Hooker came in and looked immediately far better than Milton. If Heupel had been "coaching him up" at practice, he should have seen it and shouldn't have taken an injury to Milton for Hooker to show it to him on the field.
That's not ME who wrote that article. Nobody at Tennessee was impress with Milton. Go read their boards.
I looked up the stats of the game, he threw for a td and ran for 2. Seems fine in a blowout win over a patsy.
Did you know that hooker had two tds and an int in his first game?
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I'll ask again reworded, are you seriously arguing that starting one qb over another (a mistake in your mind) is PROOF that Huepel couldn't have had any impact on Hookers obvious and fact based improvement?
Also that he actually started a worse qb over a guy who was tearing it up in practice in some weird show of loyalty to a guy who just transferred in to play for him?
And youll twist in the wind with this ridiculous notion rather than just admit the obvious?
Here are the stats again, in case you didn't see them.
Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)
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Most of our fanbase would consider those stats and a 38-6 win over a patsy a failure and be calling for the OCs head.
Yeah, I didn't think you actually knew the stats. That was great deflection though.......
They were short runs on the goal line. He also had fumble. Not that impressive against BG. BG QB threw for more yards that Milton and had a higher completion percentage.
Like I said, nobody was impressed by him. Except you for some reason.
Tennessee Football: Joe Milton’s debut vs. Bowling Green was concerning
https://saturdayblitz.com/2021/09/02/tennessee-football-joe-milton-debut-bowling-green-concerning/
Joe Milton's second-quarter struggles draw worry from Tennessee fans
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...ter-struggles-draw-worry-from-tennessee-fans/
Joe Milton inconsistent in Tennessee debut
https://www.rockytoptalk.com/2021/9...t-tennessee-vols-football-debut-bowling-green
So normal stuff against a patsy.
Can you post where I said I was impressed with him? "Seems fine" just falls short of a ringing endorsement imo. But I know it's important for that argument you think sounds good in your head.
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I know you THINK you have a point here, so keep posting links.
Want me to flood the board with articles about how good of a job huepels doing rebuilding tennessee? There's a lot of them.
MSN
www.msn.com
Tipsheet: Tennessee takes fast lane to SEC prominence under Heupel
Tennessee football is relevant again -- and it appears to finally have some staying power thanks to Josh Heupel's fast-paced offense fueled by excellent recruiting.
MSN
www.msn.com
And WITHOUT Hendon Hooker, this is how he looked.
And then, when he leaves UCF...didn't even say goodbye to his team.
“No goodbye? Not even a phone call? Crazy,” Gabriel wrote in a now-deleted post on Instagram
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...appears-to-shade-josh-heupel-on-social-media/
Didn't seem too sad he was gone.
"“This has been the best two days since I’ve been on campus! UCF is a special place. Tomorrow is gonna be a great day!” Gabriel tweeted Friday, two days after Heupel’s exit for Rocky Top.
Oklahoma co-offensive coordinator Josh Heupel fired
"Oklahoma co-offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach Josh Heupel has been fired and is no longer with the program, Bob Stoops confirmed Tuesday morning."And then, when he leaves UCF...didn't even say goodbye to his team.
UCF QB appears to shade Josh Heupel on social media
“No goodbye? Not even a phone call? Crazy,” Gabriel wrote in a now-deleted post on Instagram
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/t...appears-to-shade-josh-heupel-on-social-media/
Didn't seem too sad he was gone.
"“This has been the best two days since I’ve been on campus! UCF is a special place. Tomorrow is gonna be a great day!” Gabriel tweeted Friday, two days after Heupel’s exit for Rocky Top.
Not only that, he a big fat f'ing liar too. Claims he built UCF "from the bottom up". The truth is the exact opposite. Took an undefeated program and ran it in the ground. THAT is who Heupel is without Hooker.
His days at oklahoma absolutley changes his success at Tennessee. I can't imagine anyone even questioning that.
Did you want to see hookers stats again?
Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)
So the narrative that he was "phenominal" as a fr, and that he simply moved his talents to UT is a stretch, to put it mildly. His stats greatly improved when he started playing in the new system.
Again, how does that change his success at Tennessee? I heard he was mean to his wife too, by the way.
And are we still arguing that all it takes to be a top 10 sec team is to grab a cast off, mediocre acc qb?
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He wasn't "cast off". He upgraded to Tennessee under Pruitt because they wanted him.
Plenty of players switch teams and become more productive. Many different reasons for that. Nothing in Heupel's past of being a failed QB coach, a failed head coach, and a lying douchebag points to him being the reason for that.
Makes more sense than claiming that some coach that couldn't even maintain what Scott Frost built at UCF is suddenly what it takes to be a top 10 sec team.
"Cast off" is exactly what he was. He was also mediocre and pedestrian at VT.
Want to see the stats again? I know you think magic beans or something made the sudden change, but it's pretty obvious to the rest of us.
Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)
So the narrative that he was "phenominal" as a fr, and that he simply moved his talents to UT is a stretch, to put it mildly. His stats greatly improved when he started playing in the new system.
Thank you. Getting you to own up to nonsense is it's own reward, but this then also brings up the obvious question of why other coaches, including this staff, don't pick up a "cast off" qb from a mediocre acc team and enter the top 10, if it's so easy?
Yeah, his stats were good. Even more impressive considering his coach sucks worse than Scott Frost.
The stas dont seem to agree with this opinion.
Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)
So the narrative that he was "phenominal" as a fr, and that he simply moved his talents to UT is a stretch, to put it mildly. His stats greatly improved when he started playing in the new system.
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Just imagine how bad a coach has to suck who brings in a Heisman contender, and can't duplicate what Huepel is doing with a mediocre acc cast off qb.
Yeah, that is who he inherited and benched. No wonder he is worse than Scott Frost. Only thing that got him off the bench was Milton getting hurt.
He was a Heisman frontrunner after his freshman year. And according to you, even a sucky coach can get into the top ten with a cast off mediocre acc qb.
Guess that says a lot about what you think of this staff.
Because it's true. He took what Scott Frost built and drove it off a cliff.
Yeah, that Scott Frost.
I guess Ed Orgeron is a mf coaching genius. He took a 3 star Ohio St reject and won the National Championship.
Tangents and deflections aside, does anyone think we add to this stat this week against UK?
I say we score in the first half, but I'm not sold on the first quarter.
Well, we only scored a FG in the first quarter against Charlotte and a TD in the first quarter against SC State.