16 games with Satterfield
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According to A to Z Sports, Heupel inherited "the worst situation yet for a UT head coach" due to "an exodus of talent". It said Heupel is taking over a program that is "losing a ridiculous amount of talent".
One thing that can't be denied: Heupel is doing a great job. Coaching can make a difference.
And what is scary is that not only is Heupel a good coach, but he is getting the job done in recruiting with a class, thus far, ranked 9th, 10th and 13th among the 3 recruiting sites.
Yet they still had more 5 and 4 stars than us, and weren't starting a grad assistant named Zebuliah at QB.
I did not take the time to count last year. All I know is that Heupel inherited a mess. He produced last year and most definitely is producing this year. He evidently knows how to coach and is obviously a surprisingly strong recruiter, among the top in the SEC.
This is true. There were even meme about their dog mascot entering the portal because they had so many people leaving.
It's a patsy. Be happy it wasn't as close as the first half looked. But try not to be too happy, because it's a patsy.
He didn't have the mess we had. Fact. And they still only won 7 games, just like us.
And it's Tennessee. They will outrecruit us. That should surprise nobody.
And it doesn't matter anyway, because he was NEVER coming here.
I think that's more opinion than fact. And their 7 wins weren't JUST like ours, since one of them was in a game against us.
Head-to-Head, they beat us like a drum. And I never said he was coming here. Looks like UT made a wise choice. Considering the mess he inherited, Heupel, amazingly, has them headed into the Top 10. A good coach can overcome obstacles. He obviously is that.
Nobody can legitimately think we are in as good of a position as UT right now. They are a couple games away from being in playoff discussions. They should beat LSU and Bama in Knoxville does not look nearly as daunting for them as recent years. That’s not to say they’re going to make the playoffs, but it’s on the table for them. We’re just hoping we can claw and scratch and somehow beg borrow or steal our way into a bowl game.
I think universally everyone likes Beamer. He is far more likable than say Muschamp. He loves the University and prob wouldn’t leave for a bigger job if he is successful here. That being said, his ultimate success here will be tied to his hires as assistant coaches. His ability to realize what is working and what is not and make changes will be his toughest decisions and define his coaching tenure here. So far his coaching hires, at LB, OL, DL and OC look shakey at best.
I never stood on any such hill. Tennessee is in a better spot than us right now, but that's no indictment of Beamer and our staff like some want to make it out to be. They are Tennessee. They will get more talent than us, and they will be back well before us. They would likely be in the same spot as us right now with our schedule. They might beat Arkansas, but Georgia will kill them.
But the fact still remains, they won 7 games, just like us last year. And if they had the injuries at QB like we did last year, I doubt they would have gotten close to that. Let Hooker go out this season and them pull a grad student out of the staff to play QB and let's see what happens.
Again, I never said that. Everyone is acting like they had some amazing season last year, and they didn't. They are off to a good start this year, but it's early.
And it's early. Four games in last year, everybody said Florida was back. They were 3-1, with a 2 point loss to Bama and they killed Tennessee. Then look what happened.
They may turn out to be really good this year, but it's early. But let Hooker go down and let's see how he does with that kind of obstacle.
I completely agree. Their staff taking over a worse situation and turning it around faster can in no way be compared to any other staff and their lack of progress. It's silly to even consider.
How does a team with more 5 stars, more 4 stars, and a QB that wasn't a grad assistant named Zebuliah that wasn't even on the roster 3 weeks before the season get to be considered a "worse" situation?
It is on the coaches. Good coaches minimize player mistakes. Tennessee and Kansas have had dramatic turnarounds
Big difference….they make policies they know won’t work bur keeps them in control. Satterfield is trying to call plays that work and needs players to carry them out so he don’t get fired. But nice try.
Not saying there won’t need to be a change, but het gets this year at the very least.
Tennessee was a s*** show a few seasons ago. No need to minimize their situation to make Beamer look like a coach. It is what it is. Ray makes bad hires. Let’s hope Beamer can turn this around.
Agreed. Some people need to argue otherwise in some attempt to not make Beamers staff look worse by comparison.
You're right. UT'S staff were idiots for getting a transfer portal qb from a weak lower a she she team, and coaching him into playing well. It was only smart for Beamer to try that the next year with Rattler.
And you're also right about them having so much more talent than us. I remembered that exact point shown last year in a thread after the beatdown, so I'll paste the info on recruiting rankings here.
Year UT SC
2017 15 16
2018 20 18
2019 13 19
2020 8 18
2021 27 79
2021 throws the average off, admittedly, but since that was the true freshman class this year, it should have the least impact.
The four years prior are actually very close. They average about 4 spaces apart. Granted, UT is the one averaging higher, but I don't think that difference is really the reason for the beat down, do you?
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Cannot disagree with that. That being said, he was very successful in his prior Head Coaching job winning 78% of all his games and 79% of his conference games, finishing number 11 in the nation one year and number 24 in another. I could be wrong and, it wouldn't be the first time (ex: Harsin). But, it sure looks to me that Heupel knows a thing or two about "coaching".
Recruiting gurus will tell you that there is very little difference in classes that are within 10 spaces of each other. Thus, other than 2021, the recruiting classes between SC and UT were nearly even. Good find and point, Lurker.
Great coaches know what will and will not work with the talent on hand. This guy stubbornly is trying to run his offense, which simply doesn’t work at the college level absent UGA, Bama talent.
Thank you.
I will concede that UT still has some semblance of a "brand", but I think that is less impact full than some hope. Their good years are WAY in the rear view mirror, and 16, 17 year old kids (recruiting age) probably have no buy in to it.
The Charlotte game was completely unacceptable from an offensive play-calling standpoint. I try and give the benefit of the doubt as much as possible, but that game was the perfect time to get Rattler rolling, and they pissed it away. Yes, USC could run on Charlotte, but not on any good teams. They need to get the passing game going and they played it conservatively and gained absolutely nothing from the game except a cheap win.
Satterfield needs to go. Dude has no idea what's going on.
Satterfield needs to go. Dude has no idea what's going on.
I am curious why you think Beamer loves Carolina so much? He went to and played at VT. He coached at Miss St, VT, Georgia and Oklahoma as well as being a grad assistant at Georgia tech and UT. His only real connection to Carolina was being an assistant on Spurrier's staff. I think he likes his job (especially the money part) but I don't see him turning down a bigger job because he loves Carolina so much.
He seems like a likeable guy but I won't get too attached to him unless he turns things around in a big way.
Oh my. If I have to hear, one more time, that Beamer loves it at South Carolina and WANTS to be here, making him a big plus, my head will explode. Pay anyone $3-4 million/year, increasing their pay 6-7 times from the previous job, they'd crawl to that job.
By the way, Lane Kiffin was 10-3 in his 2nd season at Ole Miss and finished #11 in the nation, 4-0 thus far this year. Sam Pittman was 9-4 in his 2nd season at Arkansas, finishing 20th in the nation, 3-1 thus far this year. I could be wrong but, I doubt that Ole Miss nor Arkansas outrecruited us in recent years. Hopefully, Beamer will come close to matching those 2 coaches 2nd year performances.
Not sure about Ole Miss, but Arkansas really out-recruited USC - but for assistant coaches. They got amazing coordinators across the board (offense, defense and special teams). I like Lembo (he's probably equal with Fountain), but Odom and Briles are light years ahead of White and Satterfield.
Again, ridiculous. Ten "spaces" in the top 25 is absolutely meaningful. Nobody would look at it a team that is 8 while we were 18 and say "there is very little difference".
That year, we got 2 five stars and 4 four stars. TN got 1 five star and 13 four stars.
35% of the players they took were three stars. 67% of the players we took were three stars.
That's a huge talent gap for one year.