16 games with Satterfield

[GoCocksFight2021]

You're right. UT'S staff were idiots for getting a transfer portal qb from a weak lower a she she team, and coaching him into playing well. It was only smart for Beamer to try that the next year with Rattler.

And you're also right about them having so much more talent than us. I remembered that exact point shown last year in a thread after the beatdown, so I'll paste the info on recruiting rankings here.

Year UT SC
2017 15 16
2018 20 18
2019 13 19
2020 8 18
2021 27 79

2021 throws the average off, admittedly, but since that was the true freshman class this year, it should have the least impact.

The four years prior are actually very close. They average about 4 spaces apart. Granted, UT is the one averaging higher, but I don't think that difference is really the reason for the beat down, do you?

The difference was at QB, the most important player on the field.

Huepel had TWO senior QBs (Hooker/Milton III) with a lot of playing experience to choose from. Beamer's best option was a QB with no experience, and he ended up playing either a FCS QB from the portal and a grad assistant.

 

[Lurker123]

The difference was at QB, the most important player on the field.

Huepel had TWO senior QBs (Hooker/Milton III) with a lot of playing experience to choose from. Beamer's best option was a QB with no experience, and he ended up playing either a FCS QB from the portal and a grad assistant.

Again, Huepel went out brought both those qbs in. (And the starter he got was off a weak a she she team).

So if the talent level wasn't that different, but the difference was in the qb, that just means Huepel did a better job in the transfer portal his first year.

Edit: Also a small point, but Hooker is playing this year, so I don't think he was a senior last year. Unless he had a redshirt or something.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Again, Huepel went out brought both those qbs in. (And the starter he got was off a weak a she she team).

So if the talent level wasn't that different, but the difference was in the qb, that just means Huepel did a better job in the transfer portal his first year.

Edit: Also a small point, but Hooker is playing this year, so I don't think he was a senior last year. Unless he had a redshirt or something.

No, he didn't. He inherited Hooker. Hooker came in before Pruitt was fired because of his relationship with Jay Graham. The QB that Huepel brought in was Milton, who he favored over Hooker early on, even thought Hooker is clearly the better player.

And Hooker is the 5th year season this year, so I guess he would technically be a RS junior. But the point is that he had a lot of experience, and Huepel inherited him, benched him, and then had him to fall back on after he wasn't able to "coach up" Milton. That situation is far better than the situation we had last year.

 

[Lurker123]

No, he didn't. He inherited Hooker. Hooker came in before Pruitt was fired because of his relationship with Jay Graham. The QB that Huepel brought in was Milton, who he favored over Hooker early on, even thought Hooker is clearly the better player.

And Hooker is the 5th year season this year, so I guess he would technically be a RS junior. But the point is that he had a lot of experience, and Huepel inherited him, benched him, and then had him to fall back on after he wasn't able to "coach up" Milton. That situation is far better than the situation we had last year.

Had to look it up, he did join under the old staff before they left.

While it doesn't give credit to Huepel, it does mean he "coached up" a guy who wasn't even a good qb at mid to lower level acc team. (As well as getting another serviceable qb in the portal)

So, with similar talent and washed up qbs at SC and washed up qbs at tenn, and he did more with what he had. Again, that seems like a plus for him instead of a minus.

 

[ToddFlanders]

No, he didn't. He inherited Hooker. Hooker came in before Pruitt was fired because of his relationship with Jay Graham. The QB that Huepel brought in was Milton, who he favored over Hooker early on, even thought Hooker is clearly the better player.

And Hooker is the 5th year season this year, so I guess he would technically be a RS junior. But the point is that he had a lot of experience, and Huepel inherited him, benched him, and then had him to fall back on after he wasn't able to "coach up" Milton. That situation is far better than the situation we had last year.

Tennessee's situation last year is definitely better than USC had last year. This year is another story when making a comparison. Last year, with a good QB and good offensive scheme/coaching, UT was top ten IN THE NATION in offense (and they are again this year). This year, with a good QB and horrible offensive scheme/coaching, USC is 9th in the SEC (10th in YPG).

I hope Satterfield picks it up, because I don't see Beamer firing mid-season, and I'd like to see more wins this season. But right now I've lost my optimism for him to be able to do that.

 

[BigJC]

Oh my. If I have to hear, one more time, that Beamer loves it at South Carolina and WANTS to be here, making him a big plus, my head will explode. Pay anyone $3-4 million/year, increasing their pay 6-7 times from the previous job, they'd crawl to that job.

By the way, Lane Kiffin was 10-3 in his 2nd season at Ole Miss and finished #11 in the nation, 4-0 thus far this year. Sam Pittman was 9-4 in his 2nd season at Arkansas, finishing 20th in the nation, 3-1 thus far this year. I could be wrong but, I doubt that Ole Miss nor Arkansas outrecruited us in recent years. Hopefully, Beamer will come close to matching those 2 coaches 2nd year performances.

Don't forget; Kirby went 8-5 his first season in Athens, then he went 13-2, won the SEC and came within one play of winning a national championship in year 2 and has never looked back. If any coach in America "loves" where he is it has to be Kirby. He is coaching at his alma mater, has every resource a coach can dream of, is in the middle of an incredibly rich recruiting area, makes tons of money and Athens is a great place to live. I can't see any program being able to lure him away from there. Unless he gets caught in some sort of scandal, he probably has a job for life.

Lots of good coaches have their big jump in year 2, no matter what they inherited unless the team was coming off of some sort of serious probation with the loss of lots of scholarships. Even though we think Muschamp left the cupboard bare, the reality is; the best players on our team were recruited by Muschamp. Also; don't forget, every player on the team was offered a scholarship to play football, not only by Carolina but by other schools too so they aren't some pick up team out there. Beamer needs to show improvement this season or it may not happen for a long time. If we go 5-7 or 6-6, that may be what the future holds for a while.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Had to look it up, he did join under the old staff before they left.

While it doesn't give credit to Huepel, it does mean he "coached up" a guy who wasn't even a good qb at mid to lower level acc team. (As well as getting another serviceable qb in the portal)

So, with similar talent and washed up qbs at SC and washed up qbs at tenn, and he did more with what he had. Again, that seems like a plus for him instead of a minus.

But the talent wasn't similar. We started the season with a grad assistant former FCS QB that didn't even know he would be playing 3 weeks before the season started. Doty was inexperienced and hurt, and then we played another FCS QB. While Milton and Hooker weren't all stars at Michigan and VT, they were certainly far better than what he had available.

And I don't see Huepel as "coaching up" Hooker up. Milton was Huepel's first choice, who Huepel obviously didn't coach up. In one game, Hooker took the starting position. To me, it looks like he just lucked out and inherited a kid that finally had the lights come on.

 

[Lurker123]

But the talent wasn't similar. We started the season with a grad assistant former FCS QB that didn't even know he would be playing 3 weeks before the season started. Doty was inexperienced and hurt, and then we played another FCS QB. While Milton and Hooker weren't all stars at Michigan and VT, they were certainly far better than what he had available.

And I don't see Huepel as "coaching up" Hooker up. Milton was Huepel's first choice, who Huepel obviously didn't coach up. In one game, Hooker took the starting position. To me, it looks like he just lucked out and inherited a kid that finally had the lights come on.

The talent was similar. The recruiting rankings for the 4 years prior averaged 4 spots apart. You can't really get much closer.

As for the "lucked out", and Hooker just magically playing levels above his previous play? I think you would laugh if someone else attempted to use that sort of rationale against you, if you're being honest with yourself.

 

[LazyIslander]

Our offense has been shutout in the first quarter 8 times and in the first half 4 times.

Yeah, but 10-2 in 4th quarter

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

The talent was similar. The recruiting rankings for the 4 years prior averaged 4 spots apart. You can't really get much closer.

As for the "lucked out", and Hooker just magically playing levels above his previous play? I think you would laugh if someone else attempted to use that sort of rationale against you, if you're being honest with yourself.

If he had "coached him up", why did he bench him for Milton?

And if it were Satterfield that had started Milton over Hooker, you would claim he was an idiot that had no idea what he was doing with QBs and just lucked out, if you're being honest with yourself too.

And talent at QB, the most important position on the field, wasn't even close. Tennessee was in a far better situation that us, and it's because of the guy that Pruitt brought in, not Huepel.

 

[Lurker123]

If he had "coached him up", why did he bench him for Milton?

And if it were Satterfield that had started Milton over Hooker, you would claim he was an idiot that had no idea what he was doing with QBs and just lucked out, if you're being honest with yourself too.

And talent at QB, the most important position on the field, wasn't even close. Tennessee was in a far better situation that us, and it's because of the guy that Pruitt brought in, not Huepel.

He started Milton, then hooker. Were you at practices? Do you know why the decision was made? I wasn't. Regardless, he coached him up to play a lot better than he did for his previous team.

As for the hypothetical, that's full of crap and you know it. If Satterfield actually had success like huepels offense, hell if he was half as good, people would be loving him. It's not our fault he's in over his head.

But I'll go with your reasoning. The only difference was the talent at qb, which was good because huepel is a bad coach, and hooker used luck and magic to suddenly become better. That makes perfect sense to anyone so in love with the job Satterfield is doing.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

He started Milton, then hooker. Were you at practices? Do you know why the decision was made? I wasn't. Regardless, he coached him up to play a lot better than he did for his previous team.

As for the hypothetical, that's full of crap and you know it. If Satterfield actually had success like huepels offense, hell if he was half as good, people would be loving him. It's not our fault he's in over his head.

But I'll go with your reasoning. The only difference was the talent at qb, which was good because huepel is a bad coach, and hooker used luck and magic to suddenly become better. That makes perfect sense to anyone so in love with the job Satterfield is doing.

That's not my reasoning. I never said he is a bad coach. I think he is a fine coach. I'm just saying that he inherited a better situation that Beamer. I'm not sure how anybody could argue otherwise unless they have an agenda. When you are starting the season with a QB that you pulled from your grad assistant pool three weeks before the first game, you are in trouble. Huepel had 2 experienced QBs from Power 5 programs at his disposable. Not sure how that is even that could be argued. Our situation at QB was so absurdly bad that it made headlines for being so bad.

You are the one claiming he is some kind of QB whisperer. If he was, he wouldn't have benched Hooker for a QB he brought in that is clearly not as good. Let Hooker go down with an injury, and you will see. We heard the same mess about Kiffin last year, and we saw what happened when they lost their starter at QB. QB talent and depth matters, especially in the SEC. We had none of either last year.

 

[Lurker123]

That's not my reasoning. I never said he is a bad coach. I think he is a fine coach. I'm just saying that he inherited a better situation that Beamer. I'm not sure how anybody could argue otherwise unless they have an agenda. When you are starting the season with a QB that you pulled from your grad assistant pool three weeks before the first game, you are in trouble. Huepel had 2 experienced QBs from Power 5 programs at his disposable. Not sure how that is even that could be argued. Our situation at QB was so absurdly bad that it made headlines for being so bad.

You are the one claiming he is some kind of QB whisperer. If he was, he wouldn't have benched Hooker for a QB he brought in that is clearly not as good. Let Hooker go down with an injury, and you will see. We heard the same mess about Kiffin last year, and we saw what happened when they lost their starter at QB. QB talent and depth matters, especially in the SEC. We had none of either last year.

Better situation? He inherited a comparable mess, with comparable talent. Of the two qbs you keep talking about, one of them was brought in by him, so he didn't inherit him.

The other was washed out of a crappy acc team, but you pretend he was some awesome qb.

Huepel is a better coach than anyone on this staff, and his dog is probably better than Satterfield. And now you want to claim Kiffen isnt any good either? Laughable.

But you keep believing in magic and luck. See how that works out for you.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Better situation? He inherited a comparable mess, with comparable talent. Of the two qbs you keep talking about, one of them was brought in by him, so he didn't inherit him.

The other was washed out of a crappy acc team, but you pretend he was some awesome qb.

Huepel is a better coach than anyone on this staff, and his dog is probably better than Satterfield. And now you want to claim Kiffen isnt any good either? Laughable.

But you keep believing in magic and luck. See how that works out for you.

That's just not true. I never said Kiffen or Huepel weren't "any good". Just that they had a better situation to start with. Give either of them a FCS QB converted grad assistant for QB three weeks before the season starts, and neither would do much if any better.

And Hooker QB rating at VT was better than any QB we have had here since Connor Shaw. BOTH years for Hooker at VT were better than EVERY year for Jake Bentley, Perry Orth, Dylan Thompson, and Ryan Hilinski. And Hooker's best year at VT was better than Connor Shaw's best year here. So, don't pretend like he was some kind of scrub than needed to be coached up. He was as good as anything we have seen here in a LONG time. He was a gift for Huepel, not the other way around.

 

[RileyCock]

The other was washed out of a crappy acc team, but you pretend he was some awesome qb.

I guess you did about 0% of watching him play at Virginia Tech. He was phenomenal in his first year at Virginia Tech and then was doing well in second year before the team did a complete nose dive on defense and he fought with Fuente as Fuente started to implode. He didn't wash out but got out of town and it was smart decision.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

I guess you did about 0% of watching him play at Virginia Tech. He was phenomenal in his first year at Virginia Tech and then was doing well in second year before the team did a complete nose dive on defense and he fought with Fuente as Fuente started to implode. He didn't wash out but got out of town and it was smart decision.

Yep. He was better that year at VT than any of Huepel's QBs at UCF.

And let's not forget that Huepel inherited a 13-0 UCF program from Scott Frost and left it 3 years later at 6-4.

Tennessee's success is far more about Hooker than Heupel.

 

[Lurker123]

I guess you did about 0% of watching him play at Virginia Tech. He was phenomenal in his first year at Virginia Tech and then was doing well in second year before the team did a complete nose dive on defense and he fought with Fuente as Fuente started to implode. He didn't wash out but got out of town and it was smart decision.

No, I saw him play, for a weak acc team against weak acc defenses.

Edit: I'm also curious how you got "phenominal" from his first year. According to wiki, he passed for 13 tds in 9 games. That's not exactly tearing it up, especially in the Conference he played in.

 

[Lurker123]

That's just not true. I never said Kiffen or Huepel weren't "any good". Just that they had a better situation to start with.

You can keep saying it all you want. I'm sure you know what your ascertations are worth.

Kiffin took over a 4-8 team, and tenn was comparable to the mess here. Similar talent, as the recruiting shows, and a mess of transfers. The volunteer you're arguing with on the other board said they were down to 65 players? Haven't looked that up, but that pretty much kills your argument.

 

[DeBoer31]

Tennessee's situation last year is definitely better than USC had last year. This year is another story when making a comparison. Last year, with a good QB and good offensive scheme/coaching, UT was top ten IN THE NATION in offense (and they are again this year). This year, with a good QB and horrible offensive scheme/coaching, USC is 9th in the SEC (10th in YPG).

I hope Satterfield picks it up, because I don't see Beamer firing mid-season, and I'd like to see more wins this season. But right now I've lost my optimism for him to be able to do that.

right....UT was/is top ten in the nation running an offensive system that Beamer just came from (basically) in Oklahoma...with lots of coaching ties to bring with him to run that system. He could have gotten 100 young guys that are running this, and know exactly what to do. He chose Satterfield. Not enough has been made of what a crucial, terrible decision this was by Beamer. Also plays into the other worrisome part about him (SB) being way too green for this job.

 

[DeBoer31]

Yep. He was better that year at VT than any of Huepel's QBs at UCF.

And let's not forget that Huepel inherited a 13-0 UCF program from Scott Frost and left it 3 years later at 6-4.

Tennessee's success is far more about Hooker than Heupel.

This is the biggest crock of **** I've ever heard of. I near despise Tenn. but come on man. You think Heupel keeps randomly falling into success? LOL. His offenses and W/L records speak for themselves. It's not an opinion-based argument. Oh yea- he's the guy guiding the team that handled us easiest last year (including the Clemson game).
An argumentative stance could be: UCF's schedule is tougher than most ACC program schedules.

 

[gamecock stock]

Anyone who downplays the jobs done by Heupel and Kiffin, lose credibility. And I don't buy for even one second that Beamer inherited a worse mess than Heupel, nor Kiffin for that matter, did.

 

[gamecock stock]

right....UT was/is top ten in the nation running an offensive system that Beamer just came from (basically) in Oklahoma...with lots of coaching ties to bring with him to run that system. He could have gotten 100 young guys that are running this, and know exactly what to do. He chose Satterfield. Not enough has been made of what a crucial, terrible decision this was by Beamer. Also plays into the other worrisome part about him (SB) being way too green for this job.

I know that Satterfield has never produced even one top 50 offense (out of 130 FBS teams) in 4 tries as an FBS OC. But, you really would not hire your wedding groomsman to help him out in his career? Give him a break.

 

[Lurker123]

Just for giggles, I looked up Hookers passing numbers.

Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)

So the narrative that he was "phenominal" as a fr, and that he simply moved his talents to UT is a stretch, to put it mildly. His stats greatly improved when he started playing in the new system.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Anyone who downplays the jobs done by Heupel and Kiffin, lose credibility. And I don't buy for even one second that Beamer inherited a worse mess than Heupel, nor Kiffin for that matter, did.

Which one of them had to bring in a grad assistant to QB 3 weeks before the season started?

Far worse situation than either.

 

[gamecock stock]

Which one of them had to bring in a grad assistant to QB 3 weeks before the season started?

Far worse situation than either.

You focus on one position, which I agree is a very important position. But, it's certainly not the only one. Besides, what's the excuse this year, for an offense ranked 79th out of 131 teams? That's borderline poor. Was not Rattler a former 5 star QB? Was he not considered, at one point, a Heisman candidate? And don't even start about who we have played. I agree that Georgia has an excellent defense. But, the others????????????? Arkansas defense is ranked 91st, Georgia State's is ranked 119th and Charlotte brings up the rear at 131.......... all of those 3 have poor defenses.

 

[DeBoer31]

Which one of them had to bring in a grad assistant to QB 3 weeks before the season started?

Far worse situation than either.

The same HC who was hired 9 months earlier...then brought in an OC with no clear direction or system in place...and in the age of the transfer Portal. It's hard to attract offensive (esp. qb) talent to an OC/HC with no recognition of production or a system to sell.
There were- and still are- plenty of Chase Brice types around...just looking for an opportunity. But, they go where the system/style of play fits what they do best. How do we sell our offense to a kid right now coming out of HS?

 

[DeBoer31]

You focus on one position, which I agree is a very important position. But, it's certainly not the only one. Besides, what's the excuse this year, for an offense ranked 79th out of 131 teams? That's borderline poor. Was not Rattler a former 5 star QB? Was he not considered, at one point, a Heisman candidate? And don't even start about who we have played. I agree that Georgia has an excellent defense. But, the others????????????? Arkansas defense is ranked 91st, Georgia State's is ranked 119th and Charlotte brings up the rear at 131.......... all of those 3 have poor defenses.

YES....GoCocksFight2021...we're on the same team. We want the same things - but somebody running this program has to make crucial, GOOD decisions about personnel (players and coaches) and vision going forward. It's pretty important we can all agree. People talk about how Saban just stacks up talent on top of talent....but never talk about him having the most strenuous requirements from a workload, expectation platform.

 

[gamecock stock]

YES....GoCocksFight2021...we're on the same team. We want the same things - but somebody running this program has to make crucial, GOOD decisions about personnel (players and coaches) and vision going forward. It's pretty important we can all agree. People talk about how Saban just stacks up talent on top of talent....but never talk about him having the most strenuous requirements from a workload, expectation platform.

The comparison of Beamer to Swinney was that neither was a Coordinator. So Beamer could thus succeed without ever having been a Coordinator by simply coaching his coaches, was the justification for taking a chance on Beamer. The fact is that Swinney has, for the most part, done a superb job of hiring, as witnessed by the number of his assistants who have gotten FBS Head Coach jobs. To quote the late SC AD Mike McGee, you have to be able to hire well and fire well.

 

[Lurker123]

The comparison of Beamer to Swinney was that neither was a Coordinator. So Beamer could thus succeed without ever having been a Coordinator by simply coaching his coaches, was the justification for taking a chance on Beamer. The fact is that Swinney has, for the most part, done a superb job of hiring, as witnessed by the number of his assistants who have gotten FBS Head Coach jobs. To quote the late SC AD Mike McGee, you have to be able to hire well and fire well.

Agreed. The situations are sometimes eerily similar. Dabo took a young OC through two seasons (Napier), and they struggled.

At the end of the second year, Dabo made that hard choice, and picked a different identity on offense he wanted, then went out and got an OC to run it.

This off-season (if everything continues as it has), Beamer will be faced with that very same crossroads, imo.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

You focus on one position, which I agree is a very important position. But, it's certainly not the only one. Besides, what's the excuse this year, for an offense ranked 79th out of 131 teams? That's borderline poor. Was not Rattler a former 5 star QB? Was he not considered, at one point, a Heisman candidate? And don't even start about who we have played. I agree that Georgia has an excellent defense. But, the others????????????? Arkansas defense is ranked 91st, Georgia State's is ranked 119th and Charlotte brings up the rear at 131.......... all of those 3 have poor defenses.

We scored more on Arkansas than a ranked Cincinnati or a ranked TAMU. It wasn't a great offensive showing, but not a bad one for sure. Defense was the problem against Arkansas.

And stat comparisons 4 games in is a little early.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

And again, we literally made news headlines last year for converting a grad assistant coach to QB. I don't think people appreciate how catastrophic that is to a team, especially in the SEC. Heupel had his first choice to play and then inherited a backup that turned out to be even better.

I stand by the statement that it's more Hooker than Heupel. He certainly didn't show much at UCF when he took an undefeated team to a shortened covid season 6-4 team in 3 years.

 

[gamecock stock]

We scored more on Arkansas than a ranked Cincinnati or a ranked TAMU. It wasn't a great offensive showing, but not a bad one for sure. Defense was the problem against Arkansas.

And stat comparisons 4 games in is a little early.

I would think you'd realize that total yards gained on offense is a much better yard stick for offensive performance than points scored. For example, did not our special teams make a couple of TDs on Georgia State? Speaking of Georgia State, I gave their defense and Charlotte's too much of a compliment by calling their defenses "poor". A more accurate description of their defenses is "horrid".

 

[Lurker123]

I stand by the statement that it's more Hooker than Heupel.

The stats disagree with your opinion:


Just for giggles, I looked up Hookers passing numbers.

Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)

So the narrative that he was "phenominal" as a fr, and that he simply moved his talents to UT is a stretch, to put it mildly. His stats greatly improved when he started playing in the new system.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Tennessee's situation last year is definitely better than USC had last year. This year is another story when making a comparison. Last year, with a good QB and good offensive scheme/coaching, UT was top ten IN THE NATION in offense (and they are again this year). This year, with a good QB and horrible offensive scheme/coaching, USC is 9th in the SEC (10th in YPG).

I hope Satterfield picks it up, because I don't see Beamer firing mid-season, and I'd like to see more wins this season. But right now I've lost my optimism for him to be able to do that.

I think the bigger concern is the defense at this point, especially the secondary.

 

[Lurker123]

The stats disagree with your opinion:


Just for giggles, I looked up Hookers passing numbers.

Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)

So the narrative that he was "phenominal" as a fr, and that he simply moved his talents to UT is a stretch, to put it mildly. His stats greatly improved when he started playing in the new system.

The kiffen conversation (as well as watching them right now) got me curious, so I looked it up too. Corrals stats have a similar trend to Hookers.

2018 2 tds 1 int. (Redshirted- 4 games played)
2019 6 tds 3 ints (10 games played)

Kiffen comes
2020. 29 tds 14 ints (10 games played)
2021. 20 tds 5 ints (13 games played.)

It also worth noting that he had 2, then 1, then 4, then 11 rushing tds those years.

So instead of simply plugging in an awesome qb, it almost seems like Kiffen made him a lot better. Well, certainly Kiffen will fall flat on his face this year without corral.

 

[bayrooster]

Yep. He was better that year at VT than any of Huepel's QBs at UCF.

And let's not forget that Huepel inherited a 13-0 UCF program from Scott Frost and left it 3 years later at 6-4.

Tennessee's success is far more about Hooker than Heupel.

Sounds like Huepel has learned and grown a lot from his experience at UCF. Completely the opposite of Muschamp while at USC. So bringing up his failure at UCF only strengthens the argument that he is doing things right at UT.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Sounds like Huepel has learned and grown a lot from his experience at UCF. Completely the opposite of Muschamp while at USC. So bringing up his failure at UCF only strengthens the argument that he is doing things right at UT.

The argument is that it's more Hooker than Heupel. Him tanking UCF does nothing to support it's more him than Hooker.

 

[Lurker123]

The argument is that it's more Hooker than Heupel.

The stats disagree with your opinion:


Just for giggles, I looked up Hookers passing numbers.

Fr - 9 games played, 13 tds 2 ints
So - 8 games played, 9 tds, 5 ints
Moved to UT
Jr - 12 games played, 31 tds, 3 ints
Sr - (so far) 2 games, 4 tds, 0 ints. (Wiki is behind in this year's stats.)

So the narrative that he was "phenominal" as a fr, and that he simply moved his talents to UT is a stretch, to put it mildly. His stats greatly improved when he started playing in the new system.


It's also very telling how you continue to ignore the stats that debunk your opinion.

 

[Lurker123]

Sounds like Huepel has learned and grown a lot from his experience at UCF. Completely the opposite of Muschamp while at USC. So bringing up his failure at UCF only strengthens the argument that he is doing things right at UT.

Agreed. He took a mediocre acc qb and improved him greatly for one.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Agreed. He took a mediocre acc qb and improved him greatly for one.

I could buy that if Heupel didn't bench him at the start of the season for the QB he brought in. Or if Hooker was slow coming in off the bench or got better over the next few games. But it was very obvious as soon as Hooker hit the field that he was a lot better than Heupel first choice at QB.

More likely that he just inherited a seasoned QB that was finally coming into his own. Next year, or this year if Hooker gets hurt, will settle it.