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engie

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shows 3 teams from MS in the tourney.... just none of them named Ole Miss....
#MissValleySt as a 16...
 

MedDawg

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None of the other 1st/2nd round NCAA sites are close. And by 1st round, I don't mean the first four in Dayton.
 

615dawg

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We will go 2-0 this week. We have Florida's number in Gainesville. We will jump Florida after they go 0-2 this week.

San Diego State has a tough road game at Wyoming that I think they will drop.

Other than that, the next team with a losable game in a position that we can jump is UNLV - they have road games at Boise State and Air Force, both teams that they would beat by 20 at the T&M.

We'll be top ten when No. 1 Kentucky comes to Starkville and we knock them off. The only problem is we'll lose at Bama that Saturday to kill any major momentum and No. 1 seed talk.

This is Stans' best team, ever. This is Mississippi State's best team, ever. The Final Four team had a hot weekend - everyone forgets that we almost lost to VCU in the first round and got a good draw when Princeton bounced UCLA. If UCLA wins that game, we don't make the Sweet 16.

Right now we sit on the No. 7/No. 8 seed lines. Of our next 7 games, only Florida is a game that is acceptable to lose. If we get that one, we have some major momentum. This is the latest we've been into a season under Stansbury without a bad loss since the 2004 season and we were a 2 seed. That team did not have a bad loss.
 

615dawg

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but as a 5 seed, we're likely to be in the Phoenix regional or the the Northeast with Syracuse.

A top 2 finish in the SEC will get us a Nashville-Atlanta-New Orleans track while Kentucky takes the Louisville-St. Louis track.
 

tenureplan

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When 4 days ago the consensus was that we wouldn't win another road game and we would either miss or barely make it into the tourney.
 

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Some interesting differences...
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hankp

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Its worth noting on Lunardi's projection that WVU (3) and Vandy (5) are projected as a higher seed than us. I'm not one to get worked up over projections because they mean very little at this point. With that being said, we need to play ourselves out of the 8/9 seed range. And to be honest, I'd rather be an (11) than an (8). We just need to handle our business and work our way up to a higher seed (3)-(6) in the NCAAT.
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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*Your @Florida win smack reeks of Brutus & his Butler smack.


*You "Florida will go 0-2" smack reeks of coach34's love letters to Dan Mullen.


*"We'll be top ten when No. 1 Kentucky comes to Starkville and we knock them off" = genespage c. 1999.


*"This is Stans' best team, ever. This is Mississippi State's best team, ever" is not even backed-up by the data. MSU went 24-1 twice. The won/loss record alone would confirm those teams were better than this one (at least until proven otherwise via a historical run in the tournament).


*I keep reading what an awesome team we have, & how our schedule has improved, but then I keep seeing MSU is going to be a 7/8 seed at best. "The greatest team in this history of the program" does not enter the tournament a 7 or 8 seed.


(Note: If your post was meant in sarcasm, which I hope it was, then please disregard).
 

615dawg

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I don't think we will make the Sweet 16, but I do think we will be about a 5 seed and will be in Nashville the first weekend.

I don't think Stans can coach us out of the first weekend barring an upset in the opposite game. But, if we can get to the second weekend, we have enough talent to get two more. That's how college basketball works. Coaching is more important the first weekend - talent becomes just as important the rest of the way.

In my opinion, Florida will go 0-2 this week. Both us and Ole Miss are better - they will not win in Oxford and we'll beat them in Gainesville, in my opinion.

If we roll off seven in a row, we'll be in the top 10 when Kentucky comes to town.

Very few would argue against this being the best team Stans has ever had. The 95 and 96 teams are the only comparable teams in State's history. And the '96 team had one hot weekend and several bad losses.

Lunardi sucks at picking seeds until selection Sunday. If the tournament started right now, we'd probably be a 7 seed. But it doesn't, and we are about to roll seven in a row to get our seeding up to 3-4 before we lay a turd in the final three games and the SEC Tournament to go to a 5 or 6 so we can lose either: (1) Lose to an 11 or 12 seed that has no business being on the same court as us, or (2) Look like world beaters in the first round and play our little hearts out against a 3 seed but fall "just short." OR we can play well enough to get that 3 seed, beat the **** out of the champion of the Podunk conference and just run into a 6 seed on a "hot streak."

Same song, different verse.
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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...(you changed it from "best team in the history of MSU")..yet you don't believe the best team Stans has ever has will make the Sweet 16?


Using that metric, the Lawrence Roberts team that went undefeated on the road is the best team Stans ever had, because they didn't make the Sweet 16 either.


I don't worry about seeding, because unless you are a 15th or 16th seed, if you enter the NCAA tournament hot, you are going to win.


But this is a team built for a run in the tournament. If Stansbury can't make the Sweet 16 with this bunch, then Katy bar the door.
 

DAWG61

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don't mind the 8/9 seed. If you can take down #1 then you take over their easier path to the final four. Basically that's your hardest game till either the semi-final or the National Championship game. Who are the 4#1's right now? Syracuse, Kentucky, Mizzou, Ohio State. If you're in the 7/10 game you get a tougher path I think with the #2's being Kansas, Baylor, UNC, Duke. Of course I'm assuming State makes past the first round game to set up that matchup. I'd rather get the big boy out the way early than have him in the back of my mind for a couple of games. Get through him and you might just end up in the final game.
 

615dawg

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There is an argument that could be made of the 95 and 96 teams. The 04 team was great as well, but not this good. Talent wise, we are national championship caliber. Depth wise we are a Sweet 16 team. We remain a bubble team coaching wise.

The 04 team was a Final Four caliber team with no depth with the same coaching.

The 04 season was also weird in college basketball. Hell, St. Joseph's was the #1 team in the country. That team would be about where this one is this season.

If you don't see that coaching is holding us back from being a national contender year in and year out in basketball, you are blind. And its just partly Stans. Hell, keep Stans as head coach and pay him three million/year to recruit - if he gets awesome assistants that can coach.
 

fishwater99

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615dawg said:
There is an argument that could be made of the 95 and 96 teams. The 04 team was great as well, but not this good. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Talent wise, we are national championship caliber. Depth wise we are a Sweet 16 team. We remain a bubble team coaching wise. </span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
The 04 team was a Final Four caliber team with no depth with the same coaching.

The 04 season was also weird in college basketball. Hell, St. Joseph's was the #1 team in the country. That team would be about where this one is this season.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">If you don't see that coaching is holding us back from being a national contender year in and year out in basketball, you are blind. And its just partly Stans. Hell, keep Stans as head coach and pay him three million/year to recruit - if he gets awesome assistants that can coach.</span>
The game Saturday night was a step in the right direction for this unit to play as a team, but our defense and shot selection has some work left to do.

But there is no doubt that this team has more talent than any other to suit up in S-Vegas...
 

Johnson85

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Even though he started off slowly, there's not anybody on the current team that could have defended Dontae Jones.

Moultrie is better offensively than anything we had in the post, but Dampier and Russell would have been able to slow him down a lot.

Bullard is comparable to Dee and Darryl Wilson is well ahead of anything we can put at the two.

the 96 team was also a lot stronger physically.

There is probably a little more depth this year, but not enough to make this team as good as the 96 team.
 

615dawg

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because of coaching.

Go look it up if you don't believe me. The 1996 team wasn't that great. They had a couple great weekends but the most part they were a #15-#25 team.

They had a great run in the SEC Tournament. Stans had one of those in 2009 - 2009 wasn't a great team.

Virginia Commonwealth should have won the first round 12-5 game. Bart Hyche took over and we ended up pulling it out. UCLA was waiting and they would have smoked us by double figures, but they couldn't stop the back door cut against Princeton and got upset. Richard Williams taught us how to stop the back door cut and we beat Princeton to advance to the Sweet 16, where we had the greatest weekend in MSU sports history - beating UConn and Cincy.

But then they got to the Meadowlands and lost to an equally average Syracuse team.
 

futaba.79

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and Princeton should've lost and there you have it. "UCLA......would have smoked us by double figures." None of your should haves and would haves happened. The '96 played swept the SEC tourney - convincingly. Then the '96 team did what good teams do when they aren't playing well and gutted it out vs VCU. As I recall, we pounded Princeton, embarrassed them really. Then came the regional finals and we all know what happened. That '96 team was pretty dang good. We'll just have to see where this one ends up.
 

CadaverDawg

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Sounding ifs and buts don't really have stats or anything else to back them, other than your opinion of what would have happened "if".

I'm just going to hope that Stans has learned something in his many failed attempts to do just enough coaching to make a sweet sixteen. If you get to the sweet 16, you never know. And if we play like we did in the second half vs Vandy we can beat anybody on a neutral floor in my opinion. Best team ever at State....yet to be determined.
 

Johnson85

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615dawg said:
Go look it up if you don't believe me. The 1996 team wasn't that great. They had a couple great weekends but the most part they were a #15-#25 team.
since you declared the current team the best ever.

Look at the talent in the lineups. Post players were Dampier, Russel Walters, and Tyrone Washington versus Moultrie, Sidney, and Lewis. That seems to be at best a wash for the current team. Current team is better on offense, 96 team much better on defense.

Perimeter players were Dontae Jones, Darryl Wilson, and Marcus Bullard with Bart Hyche and Whit Hughes coming off the bench versus Rodney Hood, Jalen Steele/Brian Bryant, and Dee Bost, with Smith and Bryant/Steele coming off the bench. 96 has a big edge at SF and SG, with bost and bullard being comparable, and the current team having a small edge coming off the bench.

It's reasonably close, but the '96 team seems solidly better. The biggest difference really would have been the strength. Every player on the current team would get pushed around physically except for Moultrie and Bost.
 

mstateglfr

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Cuz i would love to just make it to the 2nd weekend!

And being an 8/9 isnt the easiest path to the 2nd weekend.

Its funny that having to play a #1 seed is your version of the easiest path to the final four. A 16seed should love their chances since they get to face the toughest game right away. As you said, its their hardest game until the semis or NC game.
 

fishwater99

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Johnson85 said:
615dawg said:
Go look it up if you don't believe me. The 1996 team wasn't that great. They had a couple great weekends but the most part they were a #15-#25 team.
since you declared the current team the best ever.

Look at the talent in the lineups. Post players were Dampier, Russel Walters, and Tyrone Washington versus Moultrie, Sidney, and Lewis. That seems to be at best a wash for the current team. Current team is better on offense, 96 team much better on defense.

Perimeter players were Dontae Jones, Darryl Wilson, and Marcus Bullard with Bart Hyche and Whit Hughes coming off the bench versus Rodney Hood, Jalen Steele/Brian Bryant, and Dee Bost, with Smith and Bryant/Steele coming off the bench. 96 has a big edge at SF and SG, with bost and bullard being comparable, and the current team having a small edge coming off the bench.

It's reasonably close, but the '96 team seems solidly better. The biggest difference really would have been the strength. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Every player on the current team would get pushed around physically except for Moultrie and Bost.</span>