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birdawg

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You can argue all you want. We deserve to be in over FLA that is bull ****. 4 teams from the east, we win the west, beat FLA on neutral court, beat vandy, play ky twice to OT, and they get in over us. I swear they have something personal against us i.e. sidney. 17 them
 
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birdawg

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Aug 13, 2009
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You can argue all you want. We deserve to be in over FLA that is bull ****. 4 teams from the east, we win the west, beat FLA on neutral court, beat vandy, play ky twice to OT, and they get in over us. I swear they have something personal against us i.e. sidney. 17 them
 
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Columbus Dawg

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and then look at Minnesota's resume, then watch both teams play from their seats in the war room and pick Minnesota over us. Doesn't make sense. I would have put us ahead of UF, Minnesota, and Utah State. </p>
 
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MSUCostanza

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they quit looking at resumes a week ago. I'm convinced the field was set and they were playing Xbox at the hotel all weekend.
 
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birdawg

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the only fair thing that happened today is the officiating. atleast they didnt 17 that up for once. the head of the selection committee is associated w/ UCLA. anyone think the sidney thing plays in here????
 
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PBRME

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With 4.8 seconds in regulation Wall commits an uncalled lane violation and the clock doesn't start until after it hits the rim, bounces off a player and then hits the floor. That was the only complaint about officiating I have.</p>
 
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Columbus Dawg

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Minnesota lost to Michigan twice by a combined 35 points. Michigan is terrible.
They lost to Portland, Northwestern, and Indiana.

What were their good wins?
Well they beat Purdue after Purdue lost their best player. The first 2 times they played Purdue won both games.
They beat Ohio Stateearly which was shortlyafter OSU got their best player back. The next 2 times they played OSU won by a combined 51 points!

Other than that, they beat Butler, Illinois and Michigan State. That's it.
 
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HippyDawg

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because we are a small fry in the grand scheme of things. Not enough people, money or potential money to be of significance to the SEC. Now Florida is another matter. <div>
</div><div>This is big business more than amateur athletics based on some quaint notion about meritocracy. Some of you are incredibly naive. </div>
 
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mstateglfr

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blailock said:
I will not watch one second of the NCAA tournament this year. <17> them!!!!!!!
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I bet you are one of the fans that boycotts Outback Steakhouses too...right?
 
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thunderclap

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out of these four: State, Utah St., Minnesota, Florida?

The committee took care of this answer. I doubt many coaches would rather play State right now thanany of these three.
 
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Lion O

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But, I don't see how you can make a case over UF. Except for the win in the SECT, everything else on UF's resume is stronger.
 
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blailock

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I like Outback. I tried to convey that I know it doesn't make any difference whether I watch or not. This is a personal thing. I'm pissed at the NCAA, so I won't watch. If you can't comprehend that, then <17> you too!!!
 
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birdawg

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Aug 13, 2009
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Their record vs ncaa teams is 4-9 ours is 4-6. And we beat them 2 days ago, and wasnt a contest vs ky either game. nice argument douche
 
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Lion O

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Jul 31, 2009
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Exactly, its a great argument, and thank you for further making my argument for me.

They played more quality teams than MSU did.

Their RPI is basically the same as yours (within 2 places on any given site).

Their SOS is is nearly 40 spots better than yours.

They don't have 4 losses to sub-100 RPI teams like MSU does (Rider, WKU, AU, ARK). In fact, they only had one bad loss, early in the season to USA.

They had the same regular season SEC record against one of the toughest divisions in the entire country. They didn't benefit from playing every team from the ****** West twice.

2/3 of their losses came against top 24 RPI teams.

Seriously, you think the resumes are even close? UF was IN before they lost in the SECT, you were barely on the bubble without it. You don't get in based on Tourney play unless you win it. Maybe your players should've given a **** in December and January.


PS: I'm well aware that OM was no where close to deserving to be in, so please, save that argument.
 
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VegasDawg13

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Lion O said:
Exactly, its a great argument, and thank you for further making my argument for me.

They played more quality teams than MSU did. Playing without beating shouldn't count for anything. Anyone can play a great team.

Their RPI is basically the same as yours (within 2 places on any given site). But ours is better. When discussing teams that are so close like you do when discussingbubble teams, any edge matters.

Their SOS is is nearly 40 spots better than yours. SOS is already 2/3 of RPI, so that is already counted in the above stat. This is my biggest complaint with the selection process. SOS nearly counts double. It shouldn't be listed seperately.

They don't have 4 losses to sub-100 RPI teams like MSU does (Rider, WKU, AU, ARK). In fact, they only had one bad loss, early in the season to USA. Can't debate that.

They had the same regular season SEC record against one of the toughest divisions in the entire country. They didn't benefit from playing every team from the ****** West twice. We went 4-5 against the East. They went 3-7. If you want to just look at the top three teams, we were 1-4, while they were 1-5, so while neither were good, they were even worse.

2/3 of their losses came against top 24 RPI teams. Again, anyone can lose to good teams. BFD

Seriously, you think the resumes are even close? While arguing them over us is reasonable (even though I think it's clearly wrong), you've just stepped into unreasonable territory. Of course the resumes are close.Weended up with a betterconference record. We had a better rpi. We just beat them on a neutral court when both teams were playing for their lives. To act like their resume is on a different level than ours is ridiculous.
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Lion O

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But I think that UF clearly has a better resume. Perhaps that is biased, I don't know, but I think theirs is better.

Minnesota didn't deserve to be in over y'all, even with their run in the Big Ten Tourney. Much worse RPI, just as many bad losses.
 
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VegasDawg13

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If you were being biased, you wouldn't be saying we should be in over Minnesota. I actually think the opposite as you. I would have gone Minnesota, us, then Florida.
 
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patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
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VegasDawg13 said:
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SOS is already 2/3 of RPI, so that is already counted in the above stat. This is my biggest complaint with the selection process. SOS nearly counts double. It shouldn't be listed seperately.
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Stength of schedule actually counts for 3/4 of your RPI. The formula is 1/4 * your winning % + 1/2 * youropponents winning % + 1/4 * youropponents opponents winning%. It counts for 3 times as much aswhat you actually did on the court. Which is beyond ridiculous. And then they compound it by also listingSOS separately to emphasize it even more. They really need tochange the weights in the formula to 1/2, 1/3, and 1/6 respectively.
 
BulldogBlitz

BulldogBlitz

Heisman
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VegasDawg13 said:
Lion O said:
Seriously, you think the resumes are even close? .... We just beat them on a neutral court when both teams were playing for their lives. To act like their resume is on a different level than ours is ridiculous.
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i'm thinking that thisis part of the point those on the other side of the bubble are trying tomake. we were playing for our lives, florida was "already in"... so they weren't really trying - therefore that game doesn't count for us or against them.

i thought this was gone over a couple of years ago, they get the bulk of theteams listed"in" and see how it shakes out on saturday and sunday of selection weekend. we "win" yesterday, florida is the odd team out (not minnesota, think the committee justlikes them).
 
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sleepy dawg

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Dec 6, 2009
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Exactly right. If you are talking about RPI, you should never even mention SOS, but so many people do. RPI is almost nothing but SOS. To consider them separately is ridiculous... In its current formulation, RPI comprises a team's winning
percentage (25%), its opponents' winning percentage (50%), and the
winning percentage of those opponents' opponents (25%). A team's SOS accounts for 75% of the RPI calculation and is 2/3 its opponents'
winning percentage and 1/3 times its opponents' opponents' winning
percentage.

I mean seriously, how 17ed up is that? How is this thing still being used so heavily?
 
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